- Jul 30, 2017
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You don't know how refreshing it is to see someone bring up the importance of preserving erotic mood, erotic pacing, erotic momentum. That's why I love this forum. Their discord doesn't have enough people with your point of view. Most of them have never played any porn games, except for Carnal Instinct. When I ask people in the discord, "What porn games have you played?", they don't know how to respond, and instead bring up how they modded their Skyrim or Fallout; which is totally cool btw, but the ones who do talk in discord don't have the common F95zone user perspective, and I think that's BAD. So the developers are getting feedback from players who haven't really played a lot of porn games. For the record, Adeptus Steve is very, VERY WISE to come check things on this forum, he gets so much respect for that!Don't see any reasons, why "vanilla" should be boring. We have tribal setting where harems are pretty vanilla, for example.
We have furries, who might have their own opinions of vanilla, especially if they have heat periods.
So I'm asking - that missing girl found spending her quality time with doggo - is it vanilla?
And what if that doggo wll be futa instead? Is it vanilla?
And what if MC could actually join them? Is is still too vanilla for ya?
What if girl who asked MC to find them is like "Hmm, that damn doggo again! You know, how about you take this lube and find out how deep is doggo hole is?"
And i'm not even start to fuel my imagination on full power. And i'm not even started to break lore - all i said is already possible wthin game setting and it would not break the story.
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What I want to say to all of u wanting some controversary shi... themes like netorare, cucks, etc. There is some rules in gamedesign. One rule says about moodbrakers. Mood braker is shit wich breaks the mood.(quite unexpected, no?)
For our beach pair it can be like:
- Find my sexy girlfriend! (player like oh, I'm expecting something hot already)
- oh, my, she is humping the doggo again! (player - oh, yeah, and it is kinda hot! )
-you know what, you should join them, my frieng like some oral action... (player - oh, man, it is getting even hotter!)
-... and when mi girlfriend start to climax ... (player - yeeeees?)
-... KILL THEM BOTH WITH THIS KNIFE! (player - WHAT THE F?!)
And that things cam break ANY story of ANY game. And it especially dangerous for adult gaming, coz that games is about creating the right mood. With most of the audience hating that kind things problem is - how to separate that audience.
You can implement shitload of flags, so users could switch those type scenes on and off, but is a whole ton of extra work. It is wiser just to avoid that - especially with this mighty sandbox editor.
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To summarize this tons of text - do not break the mood. Some advirtizing to increase numbers of patrons may be good, but breaking the mood - is definitely bad.
I agree with what you said. Presenting dialogue choices and options does not break the mood, instead it works to preserve the mood by allowing the player to seek what they want, but like you said, it's A LOT of work.
Here is their current RAW quest dialogue model. (In no way am I implying this is final. It's not, it's Adeptus Steve's rough draft model. My guess is that it's what came out naturally, as he tapped into his creativity, but he also approach is from business standpoint. If you guys sub to his Patreon, you can leave quest ideas as feedback! He wants that kind of information.) It goes something like this, it's simple, but effective:
Code:
Current Raw Model - Figure A
- Is player interested in this sex scenario?
1) Yes.
2) Yes, but they want another NPC to do the sex.
3) No
Player goes from quest to quest, if they're into it, they accept and/or optionally choose another npc to do the sex, if not they move on.
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Alternate Model - Figure B
- Is player interested in this sex scenario?
1) Yes.
2) Yes, but they want another NPC to do the sex.
3) No.
4) Option that contrasts the tone of the quest. This option can be the most kinkiest, darkest things that Adeptus Steve is into, but without breaking any companies TOS; 100% consensual and legal. This option can be interpreted as the opposite of whatever content the quest presents. E.g If the quest is evil in nature, this option becomes the light path. If the quest is light hearted, this option becomes the evil route. This option doesn't always have to be present.
EDIT: Maybe this 4th option is actually just another quest, that contrasts this quest. So there isn't a fourth option, unless it's purpose is to enable a new quest that presents an evil path?
I would type this in their discord, but I don't want to be rude or impolite. I hate being the only guy in there that talks about this stuff. I'm also no expert, I just leave feedback based on what I learned. You guys have TONS of experience with games on f95zone, IMO, their discord needs your perspective.
I hope Adeptus Steve reads the following:
CREATING MAYA ROLEPLAYS - Learning from mistakes and or good aspects of other porn games
I strongly recommend checking out other porn games on here featuring a female protagonist on the path of corruption: https://f95zone.to/sam/latest_alpha/#/cat=games/page=1/tags=103,392/sort=likes - This gives you a list of all porn games based on : MOST LIKES(Popularity) / Female Protagonist / Corruption
- Third Crisis (TAVERN MINI GAME) featuring a protagonist similar to Cinderella;Cinder. The main girl loses her position of power and has to cater to the whims of base and disgusting men to find her girlfriend.
- Kingdom of Deception - Sabia takes jobs at a Tavern and Brothel, she used to be in a position of power as a General. Maya is also in a position of power; the daughter of a Great Chief? I wonder if Maya loses that power, and ends up in a situation where she's at whims of disgusting, assholish men.
- Karryn's Prison - Karryn is in a position of power, she works as a Warden of a prison full of the most disgusting and base men and creatures. The Prison ends up having a TAVERN and she works in it, it's a crazy concept that works very well.
Each one of the above games has a Tavern mini game or setting which is VERY erotic. Adeptus Steve has been doing a lot of Tavern stuff in discord. Checking out the above games would give a lot of inspiration, insight, and you could learn from the mistakes made from these games, or gain inspiration from the stuff they do well.
Anything Adeptus makes will be ten times better than anything on here, due to Wild Life having TripleA quality. Even though I'm a sick bastard, I actually enjoyed the Demo A LOT, and the Demo was fairly vanilla; if you don't count the animal genitalia, lol.
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