Mick Thompson

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I don't understand the game development vector at all. You add new animations, useless characters on the same base, and clothes. The map is still a collection of placeholders, the plot consists of a couple of quests that are completely uninteresting to go through, it's just running from point a to point b, there is no interaction with the world. Maybe you'll just make a photo booth instead of a game? Because this is the only task the build copes with, and keeps the players active AdeptusSteve
 
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Purple_Heart

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I do understand how they feel though, why should other people be happy when I'm miserable?
Yeah, be happy you are being scammed, because that's how healthy/normal people think when they are being scammed. You are definitely not a miserable bootlicking person at all.
 
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brasileirinho

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Is there any 3D game developer that people won't complain? Lol...

If everybody is bad, then how can we compare them?
 

Purple_Heart

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Is there any 3D game developer that people won't complain? Lol...
Won't complain, never ever? No, it is really impossible.
But some get significantly less complaints compared to other developers, a lot of them are out there.
Illusion, KISS, Mogurasoft, miconisomi, TeamKRAMA, Poolside Games, Viktor Black...
These are just 3d developer examples that I remember right now. All of these developers also incorporated gameplay mechanics in their games no matter how little so all of them are objectively better at being a game compared to patreon scams such as WL and FD. Also, if I was to include 2d game developers that example list would be a lot longer.

how can we compare them?
Are they also stuck in patreon because of "development roadblocks" for 7+ years all the while claiming to be an open world rpg while not containing any rpg or other gameplay elements at all? This is how you compare them to WL.
 
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Mick Thompson

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Is there any 3D game developer that people won't complain?
Carnal Instinct. Yes, they also cut out a lot when switching to UE 5, but it's still a game, with a WORKING RPG system, action, cutscenes, plot and even dungeons. And if I'm not mistaken, it's been in development for 3 years. I don't really like their visual style, but it's a matter of taste, I'm talking specifically about the competence of the developers
 
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benisfug

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Carnal Instinct. Yes, they also cut out a lot when switching to UE 5, but it's still a game, with a WORKING RPG system, action, cutscenes, plot and even dungeons. And if I'm not mistaken, it's been in development for 3 years. I don't really like their visual style, but it's a matter of taste, I'm talking specifically about the competence of the developers
CI has the gameplay and world a lot more fleshed out but it's lacking everything WL does well. Character customization is mediocre to say the least, there's not that many animations, and the system for viewing animations is really bad.
 

Wlms

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Whatever it takes to get them to realize that you don't have to argue with every single person that says they enjoy the game and consider it the best of what they've experienced in their own opinion thus far. It isn't all "dick riding" or whatever they wanna call it, some people genuinely have never experienced this level of quality in a pornish game elsewhere and that's perfectly alright.

I do understand how they feel though, why should other people be happy when I'm miserable?

God knows my own obsession has been in overdrive trying to find the perfect picture of Steve to print onto a body pillow and I've certainly done my best to ruin others happiness in the process of my great quest.

Why just the other day on my quest I was met with extreme hostility when I tried to get the picture attached to said pillow. After I made my request and started going back and forth with the employee, they got their manager involved and told me I had to leave. When I asked for the reason, they said "sir, this is a Wendy's".

Whatever the hell that means.
That was a hell of a long post to end up failing to highlight whatever point you're trying to make.
 
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SortaLewd

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Carnal Instinct. Yes, they also cut out a lot when switching to UE 5, but it's still a game, with a WORKING RPG system, action, cutscenes, plot and even dungeons. And if I'm not mistaken, it's been in development for 3 years. I don't really like their visual style, but it's a matter of taste, I'm talking specifically about the competence of the developers
FWIW Carnal Instinct has complainers as well, a good amount of them sharing similar comments to the ones you see here in the WL thread. Visit Carnal Instinct's F95 thread if you haven't already. Regardless of what developers are doing, there will always be those that aren't pleased and feel the need to make sure others are aware and are equally miserable.
 

Mick Thompson

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FWIW Carnal Instinct has complainers as well, a good amount of them sharing similar comments to the ones you see here in the WL thread. Visit Carnal Instinct's F95 thread if you haven't already. Regardless of what developers are doing, there will always be those that aren't pleased and feel the need to make sure others are aware and are equally miserable.
However, CL is a game, and it's already pretty clear what it will be like on release. Absolutely nothing is unclear about WL, not even a concept is emerging yet. This is exactly what is just a collection of assets and tools for them.
I just want to understand in which direction the developers are developing their project, but it seems to me that they themselves no longer understand. Or they realize that they are not coping with the development, and imitate some kind of activity. Why don't they hire a coder to fix basic things for them?
I like this project, I like how some things are implemented, I'm not a hater or a whiner, but from build to build I only see how three new placeholders were added to the map, new "characters" and clothes to them. It feels like the development of this game is in chaos. A lot of assets, animations, models are being made, but the basis, the concept on which all these things are planted is missing
 

Mick Thompson

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CI has the gameplay and world a lot more fleshed out but it's lacking everything WL does well. Character customization is mediocre to say the least, there's not that many animations, and the system for viewing animations is really bad.
Because they started to develop the game from the right end. It's much easier to add customization, new animations and models than to try to assemble a bunch of ready-made parts into something meaningful. It seems to me that the story of Yandere-dev has found a continuation in this project
 

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CI also got characters and scenes I'm looking forward to but if you look at THAT game and think "good gameplay" then you might as well be playing animation galleries anyway.
 

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However, CL is a game, and it's already pretty clear what it will be like on release. Absolutely nothing is unclear about WL, not even a concept is emerging yet. This is exactly what is just a collection of assets and tools for them.
I just want to understand in which direction the developers are developing their project, but it seems to me that they themselves no longer understand. Or they realize that they are not coping with the development, and imitate some kind of activity. Why don't they hire a coder to fix basic things for them?
I like this project, I like how some things are implemented, I'm not a hater or a whiner, but from build to build I only see how three new placeholders were added to the map, new "characters" and clothes to them. It feels like the development of this game is in chaos. A lot of assets, animations, models are being made, but the basis, the concept on which all these things are planted is missing

I haven't played CI since it switched to UE5, but I did play the most recent UE4 build before the switch and the content there outside of the porn was like a further developed version of what WL has to offer. They have combat and quests that looks and feels much more fleshed out than WL's for sure, but I wouldn't say it feels leaps ahead of WL. I just think it comes down to both developers choosing to focus different things. To be frank, Carnal Instinct is lacking quality wise with the actual porn. They used fixed camera angles to reduce the work load of animating and doing body physics. Subverse did the same thing. They focused more on the gameplay/story than the porn quality and caught a decent amount of criticism for it.

Each game has their strengths and will likely improve with time. Carnal Instinct and Subverse has a good chunk of quality content with porn, Wild Life has a bunch of quality porn but lacks in actual content, but unlike the others, WL offers Sandbox that allows users to make and share their own content in the meantime.

I think the quests in WL feel less cohesive because everything still feels and looks WIP if that makes sense, but then again they are still WIP and the devs have made that apparent so it's hard to fault them for that, in my opinion at least.
 

Mick Thompson

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I don't really like animations in CL, I played the game because I was interested in playing it. I'm not interested in just looking at a set of animations, the context is important if it's a game. If it's just a set of animations, then it's not a game.
 

Mick Thompson

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I haven't played CI since it switched to UE5, but I did play the most recent UE4 build before the switch and the content there outside of the porn was like a further developed version of what WL has to offer. They have combat and quests that looks and feels much more fleshed out than WL's for sure, but I wouldn't say it feels leaps ahead of WL. I just think it comes down to both developers choosing to focus different things. To be frank, Carnal Instinct is lacking quality wise with the actual porn. They used fixed camera angles to reduce the work load of animating and doing body physics. Subverse did the same thing. They focused more on the gameplay/story than the porn quality and caught a decent amount of criticism for it.

Each game has their strengths and will likely improve with time. Carnal Instinct and Subverse has a good chunk of quality content with porn, Wild Life has a bunch of quality porn but lacks in actual content, but unlike the others, WL offers Sandbox that allows users to make and share their own content in the meantime.

I think the quests in WL feel less cohesive because everything still feels and looks WIP if that makes sense, but then again they are still WIP and the devs have made that apparent so it's hard to fault them for that, in my opinion at least.
And it all boils down to the fact that WL has nothing but high-quality animations... 7 years of development? Yeah, cool, you made a sandbox. I LIKE IT, BUT: what are you developing? A sandbox, or a game? If the sandbox, then it is necessary to develop it, add a face poser, sculpting models, a skin texture editor, etc. If the game is to start making a game. But not all of them and not at the same time
 

SortaLewd

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And it all boils down to the fact that WL has nothing but high-quality animations... 7 years of development? Yeah, cool, you made a sandbox. I LIKE IT, BUT: what are you developing? A sandbox, or a game? If the sandbox, then it is necessary to develop it, add a face poser, sculpting models, a skin texture editor, etc. If the game is to start making a game. But not all of them and not at the same time
I think this is just where we're gonna disagree. Personally, I don't view the Sandbox as standalone. It's part of the game. Wild Life isn't just the campaign side of things, the whole game encompasses both game modes, so to say it's just animations isn't accurate since it offers more than that. I can respect that some people don't care for the Sandbox, that's cool. But that doesn't invalidate the work the devs put into it and means people get to pretend it doesn't exist just to say the devs haven't progressed over the years.

The campaign side of things in WL is still very bare bones, but the Sandbox is well developed/polished. CI has content going for it but the porn is meh, WL has the porn going for it but the amount of content is lacking. Both games have their strengths and weaknesses.
 
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