VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.4.0] [Ceolag]

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yossa999

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Correct, I dont see what you are getting at? She is blatently telling MC that even after everything she still isnt ready to talk about it with him. I dont see how anyone would want to be with a person like that. "honey, I know I have lied about our entire relationship but I need to keep more secrets from you just trust me" No thanks Im good.
I mean, she doesn't refuse to explain everything to him, just not right now, they have more important things to do at the moment, and maybe "not the right place" thing means that she hides it even from the Order.

EDIT: "honey, I know I have lied about our entire relationship but I need to keep more secrets from you just trust me" :) Sounds like Steph from LoF.
 
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Dark Silence

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EDIT: "honey, I know I have lied about our entire relationship but I need to keep more secrets from you just trust me" :) Sounds like Steph from LoF.
I didn't believe the bs Steph spouted in that and even when it was explained in more detail, I didn't buy it. I think the dev knew he fucked up and to try and fix it, he came up with the most unbelievable shit in hopes people would suck it up. Some did, I didn't. But, maybe it's different in this one. We'll have to wait and see.
 
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EDIT: "honey, I know I have lied about our entire relationship but I need to keep more secrets from you just trust me" :) Sounds like Steph from LoF.
I dont remember Steph having more secrets from MC? They break up over it, he confronts her and she tells him everything and then its on the player to decide what to do.

Here the girl keeps the secrets, ends up admitting after getting found out, gives MC some space and when you go to talk about it again she says sorry I have more secrets I want to keep for now.
 
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Vechernyaya

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I wonder why the dev is teasing us with the sister if she isn't a LI, but, well, I dislike all the LI, so I guess, I'll drop this game here.
 
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I wonder why the dev is teasing us with the sister if she isn't a LI, but, well, I dislike all the LI, so I guess, I'll drop this game here.
I got that from the Sister as well. The opening clearly says there isnt going to be incest, so why are you sexualizing the character and showing her naked. Its only going to piss off the people that want incest.
 

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Yall need to leave Kaija alone. That girl is a total bombshell, yea she lied but its to save your life (not that she doesnt love you). Not really seeing what the big deal is, just let the story play out.
 
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absolutly mind blowingly great update as always.. well worth the time and patience to read.. looking forward to the scene replay update tho to see what pieces ive missed in the several routes ive set going
 

yossa999

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I dont remember Steph having more secrets from MC? They break up over it, he confronts her and she tells him everything and then its on the player to decide what to do.
Yep, she just jumped at him out of the blue after the two years of silence and offered her pussy instead of explanation. Which isn't so bad after all, I guess :) But sorry for the offtopic.

Here the girl keeps the secrets, ends up admitting after getting found out, gives MC some space and when you go to talk about it again she says sorry I have more secrets I want to keep for now.
Well, when you put it like this, nothing can be helped. She is surely a lying bitch then that doesn't want to share her secrets with you, because she doesn't think you're trustworthy.
My MC still asks himself: "So, only Kaija is to blame for this lies, you (the MC) wouldn't question your beloved daddy (who is directly responsible for this situation)? And your mommy for her help in his lies. Templar AI switches into eavesdropping mode everytime you speak a word, isn't it a problem, maybe it's REALLY not the right place to tell the secrets? By the way, what's the punishment for divulging the Order's secrets? Doesn't the fact that she broke the rules and saved my ass count? Nah, she has to tell me everything right away, it's now or never."
But don't mind him, he's a little dense sometimes, he couldn't even sweettalk Anissa into bed.
 
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motseer

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Yes, I had about the same impression of her after the first chapter, and the fact that she is a mandatory MC's girlfriend hasn't added to her likability either in my book. Well, I've bitched enough about this earlier in the thread :HideThePain: And my first reaction was also to immediately dump her with all her quirks and bullshits, especially since there are so many beautiful girls around, absolutely stunning Fiona, witty, gentle and fragile Elea, a decent cast of side girls. Damn, even the big-eared creature looks awesome too, right? Who wouldn't want to tame a hot elven woman?

It takes an effort to accept Kaya, you have to constantly remember where she comes from. After all, since her childhood she was raised as a knight of the order, one can only imagine how much of that knightly-nobelty nonsense of all sorts her semi mental-crippled mentors hammered into her head. It might seem like she's maintaining her delusion about what's really important just to annoy the MC. To hell with all these oaths, secrets, moronic rituals, she has to be honest with her soulmate, right? But this is the world in which she has lived since childhood, and she knows no other. She has been taught all her life to serve the Order, to obey and respect the leadership, to believe in their codes and rules, and to always put the interests of the order ahead of her own, even sacrificing herself if necessary.

The MC's dad with the order's council is a rare peace of work I must say. The fucking architects of human souls, my ass. If anyone is to blame for why Kaija acts like this in the beginning, it's them, bunch of old bastards. In fact, the whole life of the girl passes under the supervision of these fanatics. They tell her what to believe, who to serve, where to fight, who to sleep with. Very nice. I don't know if Herbert's “Dune” was one of the inspirations for the author, but these Templars are very similar to the Bene Gesserit in their methods and morals. There is definitely some resemblance between them. No wonder Kaija's ass burned up so brightly when the MC questioned The Order's moral principles and methods in the recent chapter.

In my opinion, the character turned out to be very deep, interesting and believable. At first it seems that she does not care at all about their relationship, but this is clearly her aegis of restraint, developed over a lifetime. With whom should she discuss emotions and feelings, who was supposed to teach her how to express them, if all she did in her life was training in the slaughtering of the supernatural creatures and serving the Order without days off? And yet, she loves the MC, and if he decides to give her a second chance and takes a few steps towards her, she will happily seize this opportunity and sincerely try to make amends for her mistakes and build a relationship with him again.

So, I don't hate her anymore and I'm very interested in seeing her story. There's only one thing about her that bothers me. I can't shake the feeling that her face is a composite of several male and female portraits. Even though I've seen her in the shower, I'm still afraid that she's hiding something under her skirt. :KEK:
Absolutely, the best and most insightful analysis of Kaija I have seen. Right before I read this I was debating with myself about the merits of a fresh start. Like you, I resented her in the beginning and chose to shut her out completely even though the redemptive hints were strong. After this update my appreciation of the character and how well she is written have definitely grown! I really liked the comparison to Dune and the Bene Gesserit witches! Spot on!

OK! We convinced me... New playthru, more tolerance and a greater effort to understand Kaija's motivations. I still won't let her off too easy but, well... she did save my ass! :cool:
 

Dark Silence

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TBH I only ever played the CeCe route so Im not entirely sure what you're talking about with that one.
I only played the Linda route, but, there is a scene with Cece and Steph at this bar, where Steph tells us the reason she just dipped on us.
 
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Yep, she just jumped at him out of the blue after the two years of silence and offered her pussy instead of explanation. Which isn't so bad after all, I guess :) But sorry for the offtopic.
she thought the mc had read the notice in that jacket
wich wasnt the case
 
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big_hawg

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I only played the Linda route, but, there is a scene with Cece and Steph at this bar, where Steph tells us the reason she just dipped on us.
See its been so long since ive played LoF i completely forgot she was the ex. I never liked her character so I always dipped out. It was a CeCe or bust for me with that game. Enjoyed the story but the visuals are pretty outdated so I couldnt be bothered doing multiple playthroughs when it was clear CeCe was the canon outcome in the game.

His new game though, u4ia, oh hell yes im trying every route there is cus its visually stunning (just like Neverwhere Tales)
 
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nitkonikic

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I bet you also believed the story that LoF came up for Steph. :p
Funny, I'm just replaying LoF and can't wait to tell Steph to fuck off yet again.

Back to Neverwhere, what do we think of elves?

Not major spoilers, but I'll put follow-up in spoilers anyway if anyone's coming to comment after chapter 1.
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Dark Silence

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See its been so long since ive played LoF i completely forgot she was the ex. I never liked her character so I always dipped out. It was a CeCe or bust for me with that game. Enjoyed the story but the visuals are pretty outdated so I couldnt be bothered doing multiple playthroughs when it was clear CeCe was the canon outcome in the game.

His new game though, u4ia, oh hell yes im trying every route there is cus its visually stunning (just like Neverwhere Tales)
I dl'd that just haven't played it yet.
 
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