Ren'Py Abandoned Apartment #69 [v0.07] [Luxee]

[jamdan]

 

[jamdan]

I remember 15 years ago when people were desperate to get 'forced' content - because everything else would have meant being stuck in a game. Making these games got a LOT easier since then and so we are lucky to have more elaborate games that have multiple paths or can actually be called games.
But that doesn't mean every game out there has to give you (general you) every option in the world. Something more story-driven should tell a story, and a good story is somewhat limited if there are no fixed plot points.

This makes tags and descriptions pretty important though, so everyone knows what they get into. Nothing worse than unwanted content, directions, or changes in development popping up out of nowhere. Especially for people supporting a dev based on what was promised/foreshadowed at the beginning.

I can't understand people going into threads that have 'text-based' in the title, downvoting, and complaining because of the lack of images though ...

Here it was clear from the beginning Nea would play a large role. Luxee agreed to add an option to remove her because of all the complaints - but it's not like she wasn't going to be a thing and then BOOM she was there and everyone was forced to endure her.

You can ignore games that have stuff in them you don't like. If you play them, the content isn't forced, you accept there are certain things that will be part of your experience. For most people, life is a compromise.
Yes, there can be stuff that feels like it's forced on you, but in general, that is kink-based stuff not being communicated in a good way ahead of time. These days this term is used way too broadly for anything and everything though. Following that logic, every book and TV show is forcing stuff on you - and I'm not talking about Disney.

I hoped for there to be a friendship route myself - but I followed the game from the very beginning although this option wasn't confirmed for quite some time. Luxee removing that option an update later was kind of annoying - but it all got mixed up in all the complaints and Luxee being harassed because of Nea.
So right now I'm back on square one, where I'm hoping there will be a friendship route and well knowing what I'm getting into, and potentially ignoring the game at some point, because I neither have an interest in a romance with Nea, nor in killing her off and not having her story being told.

Unless I'm misremembering, you can't have the mom without doing the sisters content. You can't get the school friends without the little sisters content. You can't get the sisters content without getting the moms content.

People focus on Nea because they dislike trans people, however all the other characters (besides maybe Charelle, I spelled it wrong) are connected.

This game is basically a linear VN, Nea is the only semi-avoidable character in the game to this point.

So it isn't about "forced" content, it's content they dislike and they have to complain about it instead of forcing themselves to not play the game.

 

[Rutonat]

So it isn't about "forced" content, it's content they dislike and they have to complain about it instead of forcing themselves to not play the game.

They complain because Luxee works on what they(Luxee) have inspiration for, and so far they've(Luxee) had more for a character they(players) despise. So it's easier to throw a tantrum than just have some patience and find another game in the meantime.

 

[jhonatanw]

 

[Dragon59]

So it isn't about "forced" content, it's content they dislike and they have to complain about it instead of forcing themselves to not play the game.

They have to complain? Someone is forcing them to behave like an entitled Karen, Kevin or Filius Canis? Is there something we can do to help them have autonomy again?

Seriously, If you don't like a book by an author, don't read it. If you're not in a literature class, no one is forcing you to read it. I seriously doubt any college has a class on AVNs, so I would think that no one is being forced to read/play this story.

 

[Badjourasmix]

They have to complain? Someone is forcing them to behave like an entitled Karen, Kevin or Filius Canis? Is there something we can do to help them have autonomy again?

Seriously, If you don't like a book by an author, don't read it. If you're not in a literature class, no one is forcing you to read it. I seriously doubt any college has a class on AVNs, so I would think that no one is being forced to read/play this story.
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Welcome to earth in the year 2023 of the gregorian calendar, where everyone thinks the world revolves around them and all types of entertainment should cater to their preferences.

 

[Hermit76]

I guess that some (or maybe even most) of the, well, let's say, "unhappyness" of those, who enjoyed PL and do not really enjoy this game so far, is based on the expectation, that this game would be similar, but not from the perspective of a father and husband, but from a brother and son: A busty older girl and a loli younger girl, a quite attractive mother of them and perhaps a small, but avoidable trans content.
In fact, this game does not really fulfill these expectations fully. I do not want to judge these expectations. I just want to say that this is probably the basic disappointment, because some (or many) have hoped for more and different content.

 

[Rutonat]

I guess that some (or maybe even most) of the, well, let's say, "unhappyness" of those, who enjoyed PL and do not really enjoy this game so far, is based on the expectation, that this game would be similar, but not from the perspective of a father and husband, but from a brother and son: A busty older girl and a loli younger girl, a quite attractive mother of them and perhaps a small, but avoidable trans content.
In fact, this game does not really fulfill these expectations fully. I do not want to judge these expectations. I just want to say that this is probably the basic disappointment, because some (or many) have hoped for more and different content.

It's not like Luxee said themselves that their second project would, in fact, be a departure from the style of their first because they wanted to try their hand at making something different and more sandboxey compared to the linear nature of PL, or anything...

 

[Remembrance]

Sorry but no because the patch adds more than just inc, it adds content that isn't allowed here.

First of all, I'm not asking for a compressed version.
But I saw this post, checked the rules, & had a thought:
Since the content isn't allowed, but links to sites linking to the content is allowed, couldn't the same thing be utilised for compressed versions?
What if the link was posted on something like pastebin? Or was put in a txt file & uploaded?
So you have a link to another page (lewdpatcher/pastebin/txt file in mega or other file site) which has links to the patch.
Would that get the same treatment with the same one extra site layer, or does lewdpatcher have a special privilege

Again, already downloaded the patch so not asking for compressed versions, was just curious about this theoritical so couldn't help but post

 

[Badjourasmix]

It's not like Luxee said themselves that their second project would, in fact, be a departure from the style of their first because they wanted to try their hand at making something different and more sandboxey compared to the linear nature of PL, or anything...

That is exactly the problem, luxee though that he/she (I am still not sure if the dev is a man or a woman after all this time ) was allowed to create a game that doesn't cater to my very specific preferences.

 

[Jeff10]

Really really good stuff, on Nea at least, the bully is kind of superficial, Heather is starting to receive some depth, but Nea itself, pretty nice.

 

[Deleted member 6087941]

Unless I'm misremembering, you can't have the mom without doing the sisters content. You can't get the school friends without the little sisters content. You can't get the sisters content without getting the moms content.

People focus on Nea because they dislike trans people, however all the other characters (besides maybe Charelle, I spelled it wrong) are connected.

This game is basically a linear VN, Nea is the only semi-avoidable character in the game to this point.

So it isn't about "forced" content, it's content they dislike and they have to complain about it instead of forcing themselves to not play the game.

It IS forced, because even if you IGNORE and skip all of her content, you're FORCED into a relationship with her. That's how it's forced. And ignoring her doesn't give you the choice on what to do with her after you catch her diddling herself in the apartment. You don't have a choice whether or not to be with her. Ignoring her FORCES you into a relationship. No thanks.

I'd rather have a choice in my games, so I choose to treat her like a paratrooper without the parachute.

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[exazubi]

Unless I'm misremembering, you can't have the mom without doing the sisters content. You can't get the school friends without the little sisters content. You can't get the sisters content without getting the moms content.

People focus on Nea because they dislike trans people, however all the other characters (besides maybe Charelle, I spelled it wrong) are connected.

This game is basically a linear VN, Nea is the only semi-avoidable character in the game to this point.

So it isn't about "forced" content, it's content they dislike and they have to complain about it instead of forcing themselves to not play the game.

It's true that the game isn't a sandbox. And you have to deal with Neah because all the storylines depend on her. Not a bad thing for me, to a certain extent i'm open to trans content. However, sooner or later the game needs a big technical update. First of all, everything is still far too linear. Of course the whole content is still missing. But also atmosphere.
Away from the individual events, from which weshimmy from one to the next, I feel like I'm in Stephen King's Langoliers. There is zero life in the game so far.

Well, there's still a lot missing before you can speak of a really good game. It has potential, no question. But there is still a very, very long way to go.

 

[Metal Panic]

It's true that the game isn't a sandbox

It definitely is.

 

[Deleted member 6087941]

It definitely is.

Yup, it most certainly is. It's not a straight VN like PL was. As far as a technical update, it does need that as well.

Playing events out of order sometimes means the script isn't dynamic, meaning if you do such and such event, it doesn't come up in another girl's conversation or in another event i.e. like how Harem Hotel is, where the changes in the order you play events happens in another person's event.

For example, I whacked out Nea before I did the pool event or did Cha's route, and nobody mentioned what happened. I don't know if that will even be a thing in this game. In Harem Hotel, if you meet certain people before a different event, like one for Nia, that event's dialogue with Nia would be different. That's not the case here.

The pool event's dinner, where Evie shows Jamie and Tess the video of the MC beating down Eric, Jamie says she wants to meet her. MC doesn't respond differently, he says simply "maybe one day she's shy" where in reality she's dead. Same thing with Cha when talking to her in the outside area at school.

This game could be so much better if one event's consequences would be referred to in another event. That's why Harem Hotel is so good. It's a "living world" and the scripts are dynamic, meaning they change accordingly.

I have high hopes for this game in the future in getting the girls that I want, but I think Luxee might need to take some inspiration and guidance from Runey in how to approach a sandbox game.

I really really do hope that somewhere down the line that, in my save, that character's plunge will be addressed. There is one event coming up in .08 for that character, hoping that's the one that does it. I'd like to move on with the girls I care about, and not be forced to deal with the character I don't

 

[Rutonat]

Nea itself

Oof buddy... People aren't "it"... Yeesh...

It definitely is.

To be fair there aren't yet enough content to really judge between actual sandbox and "sandboxey".

Edit : typofixing.

 

[BlasKyau]

Yup, it most certainly is. It's not a straight VN like PL was. As far as a technical update, it does need that as well.

Playing events out of order sometimes means the script isn't dynamic, meaning if you do such and such event, it doesn't come up in another girl's conversation or in another event i.e. like how Harem Hotel is, where the changes in the order you play events happens in another person's event.

For example, I whacked out Nea before I did the pool event or did Cha's route, and nobody mentioned what happened. I don't know if that will even be a thing in this game. In Harem Hotel, if you meet certain people before a different event, like one for Nia, that event's dialogue with Nia would be different. That's not the case here.

The pool event's dinner, where Evie shows Jamie and Tess the video of the MC beating down Eric, Jamie says she wants to meet her. MC doesn't respond differently, he says simply "maybe one day she's shy" where in reality she's dead. Same thing with Cha when talking to her in the outside area at school.

This game could be so much better if one event's consequences would be referred to in another event. That's why Harem Hotel is so good. It's a "living world" and the scripts are dynamic, meaning they change accordingly.

I have high hopes for this game in the future in getting the girls that I want, but I think Luxee might need to take some inspiration and guidance from Runey in how to approach a sandbox game.

I really really do hope that somewhere down the line that, in my save, that character's plunge will be addressed. There is one event coming up in .08 for that character, hoping that's the one that does it. I'd like to move on with the girls I care about, and not be forced to deal with the character I don't

In reality, the game consists of memories of the MC, and although it's true that to access certain of them you have to advance in the history of one or another LI up to a certain point, this doesn't necessarily mean that the order in which you play them all be the order in which things happened.

For example, the scene where Chantelle (or whatever the name is) talks about how the MC beat up Eric happens immediately (a day or so) after it happened. That someone decides to see the scene after Nea jumps, if she/he chooses that option, doesn't change that the memory is earlier.

We can indicate the same from the scenes of the last update, possibly they are before Nea jumps (if you have decided that she does that). In fact, there may be more scenes where Nea, although theoretically we know that in some routes she is dead, continues to appear in those routes because they are before that.

 

[NDanvers99]

It IS forced, because even if you IGNORE and skip all of her content, you're FORCED into a relationship with her. That's how it's forced. And ignoring her doesn't give you the choice on what to do with her after you catch her diddling herself in the apartment. You don't have a choice whether or not to be with her. Ignoring her FORCES you into a relationship. No thanks.

I'm sorry to hear you're being held at gunpoint and being made to play this game, I understand that your unnecessary complaints are a secret plea for help and rescue is coming to your location soon!!

 

[Jeff10]

Oof buddy... Peope aren't "it"... Yeesh...

To be fair there aren't yet enough ocntent to really judge between actual sandbox and "sandboxey".

Eey, sorry, didn't mean to be offensive, English isn't my first language, themself?

 

[Rutonat]

Eey, sorry, didn't mean to be offensive, English isn't my first language, themself?

That would be "herself", simply.