Dipasimaan

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love this game but sware author bumped his head or something, aint no guy on earth laughing when there gf talking about losing her virginity like she just told funniest joke he heard all day ._. doll ella n big ella need to body swap then doll ella can get punted down the road, idk if author forgot ella is the main antagonist im not sure if i missed a first game, im confused af when ppl ask if mc and ella r secretly romantically involved, bruh she was nice 2 u like twice, ur guy known ella a whole ass year doll ella u known 3 days and u have more positive interactions with doll ella
Ella isn't the main antagonist, she's just the cause of the story with her reasons, friends, enemies and all of what another MC could have
 

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love this game but sware author bumped his head or something, aint no guy on earth laughing when there gf talking about losing her virginity like she just told funniest joke he heard all day ._. doll ella n big ella need to body swap then doll ella can get punted down the road, idk if author forgot ella is the main antagonist im not sure if i missed a first game, im confused af when ppl ask if mc and ella r secretly romantically involved, bruh she was nice 2 u like twice, ur guy known ella a whole ass year doll ella u known 3 days and u have more positive interactions with doll ella
I can fix her though!
 

TheOneZR

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love the update just hope ww let us know monster language in the 4th evo because we have power over memory we can do it without have to kill everybody and their mother to have corruption enough to a half ass understanding, my is above 30 without killing everybody but still not enough gets me a little bumed, but it is what it is still love still playing
 
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hornywolf

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To get suspected you have to reach 4 sinsusp points. There are 7 choices that increase the sinsusp counter, 3 of them are common in every route and the other 4 divided between the routes.

All except the first (being questioned about the nature of the ceremony) are tied to extra content.

All content related choices have variables associated with them, so the game will remember your choices.

However as of now, sex with Eisheth, being friendly to the ex-Hero girl and warning Met&Rina are not used.

Bringing intel to Zach rewards MC with money and herorecruit points. The points are not yet used.


Tournament Route:

1) Answering wrong about the nature of the ceremony in the beginning (No Extra content, just answer correctly)
2) Pushing for sex with Eisheth (Sex scene)
3) Asking the Monster Hound questions (Extra money and herorecruit points)
4) Being friendly to the ex Hero girl
5) Warning Met and Rina

Answering wrong can easily be avoided, just tell him you know about the oath.
Then you have to choose 3 of the next 4 actions.

For me, the most important content is 3 > 5 > 2 > 4.
So I don't bother with the ex-Hero girl.

Non-Tournament Route:

1) Answering wrong about the nature of the ceremony in the beginning (No Extra content, just answer correctly)
2) Pushing for sex with Eisheth (Sex scene)
3) Following Tanos (Extra money and herorecruit points)
4) Keeping the meds from Langdon's office (Extra money and herorecruit points)
5) Warning Met and Rina

For me, the most important content is 5 > 4 = 3 > 2
So I don't bother with Eisheth's scene.

I personally like the Tournament route more. You learn some things about how monsters think, SIN's tech and get some combat scenes. It also rewards you with power and skill points. The other route gives you information on SIN operations which weren't that interesting to me.
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To save Laurie you need
1) Choosing "Hesitate" before breaking Deryl's amber. (Pre Evolution)
2) 28 skill or more
3) Choose to instantly destroy the blue sword


To be able to survive Hesitating against Deryl, you either need 100 power or to have fought the Light Monster (Wepwawet)

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Against Valravn there are 3 possible outcomes

1) Lose | Less than 3 valwin points | Deadend
2) Win without Respect | 3 valwin points | Brianna helps. Valravn doesn't answer your questions later.
3) Win with Respect | At least 4 points | MC wins by himself, Valravn answers your questions later.

You can get 3 valwin points by choosing the correct options:
1) "Keep your distance, it looks dangerous"
2) "Go all out! Hit it with everything!"
3) "I don't need to evolve!"

You can also get 2 valwin points by
1) Having more than 80 power
2) Having 19 skill

Up to this point, the maximum power you can get is 73 + 10 from the Shopkeep's horn.
The maximum skill you can get is 19, but you will have to use technique against Michael during the first ingame week, which nets less power and corruption throughout the playthrough.

If you don't follow a walkthrough and want to play as a good guy, the safest option is to go for a skill playthrough, otherwise you may miss power points that will lock you out of Valravn's respect.
I might need to replay my playthrough
I want to have the eye but at the same time Idk how my play through End result gonna look like
 

hornywolf

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Bro this game ruined my life.
I'm so hooked that I'm looking forward to this game update and story more than anything else I just come here reading peoples comments and theories and opinions.
I been more excited to see this games story tha I've been for tripleA games that are so generic and copy paste of each other these days
 
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AgumenticR

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The Lord of the Dark is in fact the 7th apostle who we see in deadend3 IIRC
Considering how he murders other avatars like nobody's business and that Aglæcwif and Valravn separate him from Apostles in general, I would be he is not just an Apostle, even if he was that once.
 

Gtdead

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I might need to replay my playthrough
I want to have the eye but at the same time Idk how my play through End result gonna look like
I generally recommend to get the horn because the upfront power makes it easier to get Valravn's respect. If you use it solely for stat boosts, the horn allows you more flexibility than the eye. If you use it for the Aglaecwif's extra lore, then you need to do a high skill playthrough otherwise you will lack Valravn's respect and miss out on important content. This means you have to fight Michael using technique, and make sure you reach Valravn with 19 skill.
 

rainwake

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I generally recommend to get the horn because the upfront power makes it easier to get Valravn's respect. If you use it solely for stat boosts, the horn allows you more flexibility than the eye. If you use it for the Aglaecwif's extra lore, then you need to do a high skill playthrough otherwise you will lack Valravn's respect and miss out on important content. This means you have to fight Michael using technique, and make sure you reach Valravn with 19 skill.
Picking horn doesn't lock you out of Aglaecwif's path or her lore. You can still make a save, choose to take the Left path, then save and reload to read all the lore.

The Horn & the Red Light monster (picking Right in SIN caves) seem to be necessary for both Purity and Corruption paths to meet the required stat thresholds for best Boss fight outcomes. Even if you can beat Valravn without Brianna's help in the Purity path due to 19 Skill, you'll be at 99 power (without the horn) for the Monster Deryl Fight.

For corruption, you need the horn to reach 83 power to beat Valravn w/out help (you'll have 18 Skill & I think doing the 1st Michael fight can give you that extra point in skill, but I don't know what other consequences you suffer from losing out on that early point in power). For the Monster Deryl Fight, you'll have 105 power & 29 Skill (without the horn), assuming you take Left path in SIN cave for +10 power & +3 Skill. But you'll be short 5 Power overall, compared to taking Horn and then picking Right in SIN caves
 

Gtdead

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Picking horn doesn't lock you out of Aglaecwif's path or her lore. You can still make a save, choose to take the Left path, then save and reload to read all the lore.

The Horn & the Red Light monster (picking Right in SIN caves) seem to be necessary for both Purity and Corruption paths to meet the required stat thresholds for best Boss fight outcomes. Even if you can beat Valravn without Brianna's help in the Purity path due to 19 Skill, you'll be at 99 power (without the horn) for the Monster Deryl Fight.

For corruption, you need the horn to reach 83 power to beat Valravn w/out help (you'll have 18 Skill & I think doing the 1st Michael fight can give you that extra point in skill, but I don't know what other consequences you suffer from losing out on that early point in power). For the Monster Deryl Fight, you'll have 105 power & 29 Skill (without the horn), assuming you take Left path in SIN cave for +10 power & +3 Skill. But you'll be short 5 Power overall, compared to taking Horn and then picking Right in SIN caves
You can "savescum" to get Aglaecwif's lore, but this won't allow you to ask Valravn for the specifics because you will lack the variables. So even if you pick the eye in hopes to get more lore from Aglaecwif, without a skill playthrough you lose the extra content from Valravn since he won't talk to you.

The consequences of a skill playthrough (choosing technique vs michael) is 4 less power and less chances to get corruption because you miss on eating Kenny which creates a cascade of missed opportunities. It's not that bad though and corruption checks don't seem to be very tight. Everything else is pretty much the same.
 

rainwake

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You can "savescum" to get Aglaecwif's lore, but this won't allow you to ask Valravn for the specifics because you will lack the variables. So even if you pick the eye in hopes to get more lore from Aglaecwif, without a skill playthrough you lose the extra content from Valravn since he won't talk to you.

The consequences of a skill playthrough (choosing technique vs michael) is 4 less power and less chances to get corruption because you miss on eating Kenny which creates a cascade of missed opportunities. It's not that bad though and corruption checks don't seem to be very tight. Everything else is pretty much the same.
If you're choosing the Left path (assuming you chose Eye), and then choosing Aglaecwif lore over Strength & Skill buff. You'll definitely be short on stats to save Laurie. Even on corruption path, if you chose Horn, you'd have 105 power and 26 skill, you need +3 skill to reach the 28 Skill threshold. So if you went with Aglaecwif lore, you won't be able to get +3 Skill.

Assuming you're taking the corruption path, if you picked Eye, AND you fought Michael w/ skill early on to hopefully reach 19 Skill to beat Valravn. Choosing Eye, would put you at a deficit of 10 power. By the time you reach Aglaecwif you'd have 95 power & 27 Skill. You'd be short on both Power and Skill. If you picked either Strength buff or Skill buff, you'd be lacking the stats to save Laurie. You'd need exactly both buffs, but then you're still overall 5 power less than just picking Horn and going Right to fight Red light monster

That said I didn't know you could ask Valravn more questions after getting lore from Aglaecwif
 
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We shall see tomorrow, since it's going to be a week since WW posted. For me, I'm just going to keep to my own late October to early November prediction. If it comes before that, then great. If not and he needs more time then I'll just chill like usual and let him take as long as he needs.
Ngl I took a 2-3 month break took some time to play ds2 and bloodborne two games I abhorred til I played them and finished them, now I'm back and I'm sick asf waiting on the android port. I came back saw 200+ pages abd went I feel like utter shit rn I'm not reading all that, I shall read all those pages as soon as I am no longer sick. How have you all been?
 
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lorkdubo

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Ngl I took a 2-3 month break took some time to play ds2 and bloodborne two games I abhorred til I played them and finished them, now I'm back and I'm sick asf waiting on the android port. I came back saw 200+ pages abd went I feel like utter shit rn I'm not reading all that, I shall read all those pages as soon as I am no longer sick. How have you all been?
I can kinda understand DS 2 but you didn't like Bloodborne? That's quite rare.
 

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If you're choosing the Left path (assuming you chose Eye), and then choosing Aglaecwif lore over Strength & Skill buff. You'll definitely be short on stats to save Laurie. Even on corruption path, if you chose Horn, you'd have 105 power and 26 skill, you need +3 skill to reach the 28 Skill threshold. So if you went with Aglaecwif lore, you won't be able to get +3 Skill.

Assuming you're taking the corruption path, if you picked Eye, AND you fought Michael w/ skill early on to hopefully reach 19 Skill to beat Valravn. Choosing Eye, would put you at a deficit of 10 power. By the time you reach Aglaecwif you'd have 95 power & 27 Skill. You'd be short on both Power and Skill. If you picked either Strength buff or Skill buff, you'd be lacking the stats to save Laurie. You'd need exactly both buffs, but then you're still overall 5 power less than just picking Horn and going Right to fight Red light monster

That said I didn't know you could ask Valravn more questions after getting lore from Aglaecwif
Yeah I'm only talking about the Valravn's follow up. A lot of players don't really care about Laurie and that's to be expected, because characters who can die get very little content.

If you have Valravn's respect, anything you ask Aglaecwif, you can also ask Valravn about it and get his opinion. This is pretty much the only reason to go for the eye as of now, because otherwise you need to either read the raw script or hack the game to get this information. And since generally MC does not use various knowledge he gains in any significant capacity, it's obviously the lesser choice.

An interesting question is if the eye will become better down the line.
WW tends to be explicit with his variables. Technically, the same variables used to close menu items, can be used to determine if the player has used the eye, but as of now, he has never done such a thing. This makes me think that he isn't interested in tracking it. So these are the possible scenarios IMO:

1) If the player has met Aglaecwif while in possession of the eye, that's all there is to it.
2) If the player has not met Aglaecwif while in possession of the eye, it may become relevant the next time he meets her. Since this meeting will take place at a later time, and MC will be more powerful, I think that a +10 power / +3 skill will not cut it. So I expect that if this scenario happens, the rewards will end up being more significant, which may change the optimal path for max stats.

After all, the game isn't yet half done, so I expect many things to change down the line. Like how asking Tiffany for power became the better choice in this update. Money may end up becoming better if there's an important item that the MC can't possibly gain enough money to buy.
 
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Dipasimaan

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Considering how he murders other avatars like nobody's business and that Aglæcwif and Valravn separate him from Apostles in general, I would be he is not just an Apostle, even if he was that once.
For all we know now the 7th is the Lord of the Dark but for some reason he's just killing the avatar of apostles and the spawns
too.

He seems to have killed the 8th too.

Maybe he's not just killing them but also feeding off them to make himself stronger
 
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