VN Ren'Py Unexpected Opportunity [Ch. 6] [Sweetychily]

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Larry2000

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Hand-job?
Not even a hand-holding!


I also have no problem with slow burn
but it has to start somewhere a little flame that each time grows a bit
but here there are no flames only tiny patches of smoke now and there.
Bro, you could cut off all the combat and exploration of a Persona game and it'd still have more action than this. Like, just now we're starting to get into some of the issues these characters have, after what seems like a few in-game months. That's freaking hilarious. Doesn't even take me a week to get a female to talk about her daddy issues.
nice game but a bit (too?) slow. But I'll keep following it in hopes it will speed up
Just started this one.. I think after the pancake delivery I'd be pinning her up against the door and asking her why such a sexy woman doesn't wear a wedding ring, that might be dangerous!! :devilish:
I've said this before, and I'll say it again, this is a slow burn story. It might not fit everyone's speed regardless, but we're trying our best to pace the story that feels natural.

Rasturac, this might not be the game for you. If you want to come back 5 or so updates for more, it's all good.

I'll explain why the pacing is this way, and I hope people can refer people to this post when someone else makes a similar comment.

First off, this game is a lot about anxiety and trauma. Not drama for the sake of drama like assault or novela stuff like that. These traumas are more internal dilemas like Imposter Syndrome, Body Dismorphia and Depression. It WON'T be too depressing, just that it highlights other problems people have. When I was making the story rewrite, I really wanted something that felt more slow paced. Something more akin to the courting process. Not casual dating, which is like 95% of games on this site. While there's NOTHING wrong with that, this game isn't that. All the love interests have their reasons for NOT being so forward as does the MC. MC has an anxiety of losing control because the last time he did, he embarrassed himself. And you might not think that it's that embarrassing, but to him, it's deep and for better or worse, it define him.

He shares different aspects of himself - his flaws - with some of the other love interests that compliment him. For example, MC feels he lucked out in getting his ex girlfriend Rachel because he tends to reject all things in front of him, but he thinks it's because he's not very special (some might argue this is true :p) but he'll learn through Taylor that he IS desirable. He'll learn about confidence through helping Emily with her own issues. He'll learn through his Ex girlfriend that sometimes you must confront the truth even if it's terrifying. Each character fills a place in his flaws.

Second, all the girls at this stage are his FRIENDS. They've all been introduced since last update and now we can move forward deeper into their stories. My favorite kind of romance is the "fall in love on the way" kind of interactions. It's not realistic with ALL girls in the world, but to some it works. It's like you wake up one day and they are all you can think about. This the type I typically want with at about 3 of them. The other 2 of them are/will be smitten (though one has a massive roadblock). And the other is hard work. and one might even surprise you :D

To the pacing, if you're not casually dating, then most of these relationships take months if not years to develop naturally, so as a developer Sweetychily and I have to balance out how we can incorporate them faster without breaking the cadence of the storytelling. So we've used the passage of times for MC to develop skills in his work. We've had Frank and Lisa start treating him like a close friend/neighbor. MC even gave them his key just in case, as was confirmed last chapter. We will also use time soon as well to skip forward in time to help bridge the Western Visual Novel trope where people fall in love with their family members or hated rivals in the span of 5 or 6 days...

Anyway, there are gains being made on all fronts, just not the way you expect a sex game to go. I will once again say, this is a slow paced game. It's NOT a sex game. Sex WILL happen, but it will as it fits. That said, we're getting closer than before.

Lastly, The next update is shorter, but has the party scene where MC lets lose a little. He's been too much of a stick in the mud. A real SQUARE. He needs to have more fun. So we'll let him! There will be some fun back and forth between MC and the girls. After that, the next full update will have him dipping his toes into some real stuff.

We won't satisfy everyone, but the people that are, will hopefully feel that connection we've been trying to make with the characters. :D
 

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I've said this before, and I'll say it again, this is a slow burn story. It might not fit everyone's speed regardless, but we're trying our best to pace the story that feels natural.

Rasturac, this might not be the game for you. If you want to come back 5 or so updates for more, it's all good.

I'll explain why the pacing is this way, and I hope people can refer people to this post when someone else makes a similar comment.

First off, this game is a lot about anxiety and trauma. Not drama for the sake of drama like assault or novela stuff like that. These traumas are more internal dilemas like Imposter Syndrome, Body Dismorphia and Depression. It WON'T be too depressing, just that it highlights other problems people have. When I was making the story rewrite, I really wanted something that felt more slow paced. Something more akin to the courting process. Not casual dating, which is like 95% of games on this site. While there's NOTHING wrong with that, this game isn't that. All the love interests have their reasons for NOT being so forward as does the MC. MC has an anxiety of losing control because the last time he did, he embarrassed himself. And you might not think that it's that embarrassing, but to him, it's deep and for better or worse, it define him.

He shares different aspects of himself - his flaws - with some of the other love interests that compliment him. For example, MC feels he lucked out in getting his ex girlfriend Rachel because he tends to reject all things in front of him, but he thinks it's because he's not very special (some might argue this is true :p) but he'll learn through Taylor that he IS desirable. He'll learn about confidence through helping Emily with her own issues. He'll learn through his Ex girlfriend that sometimes you must confront the truth even if it's terrifying. Each character fills a place in his flaws.

Second, all the girls at this stage are his FRIENDS. They've all been introduced since last update and now we can move forward deeper into their stories. My favorite kind of romance is the "fall in love on the way" kind of interactions. It's not realistic with ALL girls in the world, but to some it works. It's like you wake up one day and they are all you can think about. This the type I typically want with at about 3 of them. The other 2 of them are/will be smitten (though one has a massive roadblock). And the other is hard work. and one might even surprise you :D

To the pacing, if you're not casually dating, then most of these relationships take months if not years to develop naturally, so as a developer Sweetychily and I have to balance out how we can incorporate them faster without breaking the cadence of the storytelling. So we've used the passage of times for MC to develop skills in his work. We've had Frank and Lisa start treating him like a close friend/neighbor. MC even gave them his key just in case, as was confirmed last chapter. We will also use time soon as well to skip forward in time to help bridge the Western Visual Novel trope where people fall in love with their family members or hated rivals in the span of 5 or 6 days...

Anyway, there are gains being made on all fronts, just not the way you expect a sex game to go. I will once again say, this is a slow paced game. It's NOT a sex game. Sex WILL happen, but it will as it fits. That said, we're getting closer than before.

Lastly, The next update is shorter, but has the party scene where MC lets lose a little. He's been too much of a stick in the mud. A real SQUARE. He needs to have more fun. So we'll let him! There will be some fun back and forth between MC and the girls. After that, the next full update will have him dipping his toes into some real stuff.

We won't satisfy everyone, but the people that are, will hopefully feel that connection we've been trying to make with the characters. :D
I much prefer slow burn anyway, makes it actually mean something! I mostly lose interest when there's no buildup.
 
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Larry2000

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I much prefer slow burn anyway, makes it actually mean something! I mostly lose interest when there's no buildup.
That's kinda why I decided to write my own stories as well. Before I joined this game, I was periodically writing a story that scratched all of my creative visual novel itches. Unexpected Opportunity is not based on any of my previous writings though, I just saw the potential in the girls involved. Especially Lisa :love: , but I know people's favorite is Nicole. So I'll make sure they all get a good amount of love.
 

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If worst comes to the worst you can always market this game, and I'm using the term game very loosely here, as a cure for insommnia, ten minutes in and they'll be fast asleep.
Looking at your reviews so far… you have to get more creative with your "reviews" man!
By what you posted on other games, you clearly dislike "slow burns" where MC doesn't stick his dick in the first girl they see.

I think the funniest thing was "it's about time devs realised that most people play these games to chase and screw women", which if true, would probably reflect in way worse reviews and ratings. You would also be amazed by how many women are around here… But that's probaly also nothing you're concerned about… What other players might like. Your opinion is the opinion of most people.

But you do you. Enough ranting. I think the games great. Could be better true, but that's mostly covered in the reviews already.
I wouldn't say no to something (more) lewds, but it's the dev's story and not primarely there to please me but to tell their story. In this case Larry2000 story. There's even a lengthy post by the dev, 3 post above yours. But you probably either didn't see it since you just posted on the threads front page or didn't care to read what the dev explains about the story and pacing.

That's why you got that facepalm from me.

*cheers*
 

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It's going to be interesting to see how the mc handles his feelings for Lisa
He is a nice guy so I think he will feel guilty about falling for a married woman
 
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Larry2000

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It's going to be interesting to see how the mc handles his feelings for Lisa
He is a nice guy so I think he will feel guilty about falling for a married woman
Hey, sorry for the long wait for this update. We've been going through a lot of transitional periods. I don't want to speak for Sweetychily, but he's been really busy.

As far as your message is concerned, I really like that you're catching the big themes that we're trying to present with Lisa and Frank. How much are you willing to push for love? Will you throw your morals out the window? Even to someone that is so good for you? OR, do you see it on a spectrum?

For me, Lisa and MC's relationship in relation to Frank is a scenario I've wanted to see forever. So since I never get to see it, I decided to write it. I want MC and the audience to feel a certain way about it. How would you feel in real life if you pursued a married woman? If games are anything to go by, it's all good. The husband deserves it, or MC has no morals. OR, in this case, have a man who has HIGH morals and place him with a man that seems to be a great guy. Then you have conflicts. It makes the interactions real in my opinion.

Last thing I want to say on this is, I don't promise that this game will be realistic, but it will be plausible with realism. By that I mean, the scenarios may be unbelievable in a vacuum, but taken as a whole, become plausible. And also, that characters take some time to consider their actions as wrong or a mistake. It's one of the reasons we added the side scenes with the girls thinking about things. Every person in the world, even the biggest celebrities to the poorest people, will end up alone with their thoughts: Regrets and contemplation's. That is the reason for their inclusion serving as a way connect with the characters in a deeper way.

By the way...
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Hey, sorry for the long wait for this update. We've been going through a lot of transitional periods. I don't want to speak for Sweetychily, but he's been really busy.

As far as your message is concerned, I really like that you're catching the big themes that we're trying to present with Lisa and Frank. How much are you willing to push for love? Will you throw your morals out the window? Even to someone that is so good for you? OR, do you see it on a spectrum?

For me, Lisa and MC's relationship in relation to Frank is a scenario I've wanted to see forever. So since I never get to see it, I decided to write it. I want MC and the audience to feel a certain way about it. How would you feel in real life if you pursued a married woman? If games are anything to go by, it's all good. The husband deserves it, or MC has no morals. OR, in this case, have a man who has HIGH morals and place him with a man that seems to be a great guy. Then you have conflicts. It makes the interactions real in my opinion.

Last thing I want to say on this is, I don't promise that this game will be realistic, but it will be plausible with realism. By that I mean, the scenarios may be unbelievable in a vacuum, but taken as a whole, become plausible. And also, that characters take some time to consider their actions as wrong or a mistake. It's one of the reasons we added the side scenes with the girls thinking about things. Every person in the world, even the biggest celebrities to the poorest people, will end up alone with their thoughts: Regrets and contemplation's. That is the reason for their inclusion serving as a way connect with the characters in a deeper way.

By the way...
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Thank you for the detailed response Larry
You are right we don't see stuff like the relationship between the mc & Lisa in other games
Its always just about sex with no guilt or stuff like that

But in this game guilt and other emotions are going to be important
That's something I really like

And you certainly don't have to apologise mate
I think most reasonable people would understand how much time & effort go into making these games

Anyway goodluck with the next release
 

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Hey all! It's me again to announce that we just released our update to our patreon!

Let me share a little bit of our journey and how we got here.

First off, we have plenty of excuses :p We had some ups and downs and I even got sick twice :/ We had multiple family issues, but in the end, we kept our heads high. Because of the constant interruptions, and Sweetychily being even more busy than normal, we worked on islands from each other. Because of this, I ended up going a little crazy on the writing and I ended up bloating this update to bigger than it was meant to. So, we have about 3400 lines of code. Really, with all the spaces and shortening of our lines, it's closer to 2800. I'm still new to this, but my friend says it's a decent amount, so my bad if you hate plot :p

Second, we really pulled through to get this update done. Our renders are about 280 give or take. This was the most interesting because we had to use a lot to communicate this update and the party games. Trust me when I say that if we could make more we would, but had to deal with what we had, so I used it to fill it with more story. I hope you like touching on some of the character's backstories a bit.

Now, for those that want to hate on our game cause we don't have a lot of sexy content, you'll have to come to our next update, cause that's where we'll have it. This update is simply a long mid point. Our last update was a big one in Chapter 5. This one is simply called, "The Party Update" where we have some fun and make some character development. Which characters grew in this update? I'd argue all of them, but specifically, I'll bring them up individually:

MC has grown the most of this update. He's had his first moment where HE is the one in charge of the situation. He's planned a party for his good childhood friend and he's determined for everything to go well. I'm not saying he doesn't slip up either, he is human. He might have some cold feet, but don't worry, if he does, there are a few ladies ready to punish (reward?) him ;) Whatever happens, the party master is here to stay. Maybe he'll be the typical Protagonist with his typical protagonist luck of being the sole attention of the female characters? Nah... it's not like this is a Harem or anything right?
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Joking aside, our characters DO like interacting with other characters, as you will see in this update a LOT, but there is no denying that the MC will be the most pointed attention ;)

Allison is another character that's showing growth. Sure, we only introduced her in Chapter 5, but her loving demeanor and caring personality make her a great character foil of MC. He's completely disarmed with her. Not only that, but his resolution gets stronger when she's involved. A true childhood friend and as close to him as family, so of course he'll defend her. One last thing about Allison is that she's not a heavy drinker, but unfortunately for her, this is a drinking party. Who knows how the night will end, but I'm sure MC will be there to keep her in one piece :)

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Did somebody say Nicole? She's a person that is very carefree around her friends, but when it comes to MC, she's a little more, standoff-ish. Maybe it's because of MC and his trauma, or maybe she knows something he doesn't. Either way, we have Nicole in this update telling a little more about her personal life. We also have some progress between MC and Nicole in how they interact with each other. Both of them have become more and more used to each other and now they seem to be settled in as adults. It's weird to befriend an adult you've known as a kid at first, but I'm sure MC and Nicole will figure it out soon :D In the meantime, what's that in her hand?
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Maybe just maybe, she can cut loose despite our MC.

Well, after that "date" MC and Carla had, I'm sure there's an invitation thrown out for her right?
Carla is interesting in this one. You'll notice that we've hinted at Carla a bit in the update last time where her and MC spend time in the mall. She is a bit of a MILF who knows what she has and wants, but she also has some complexity that it's hard not to see. What it is, maybe we don't know yet, but keep an eye on her. This time we'll see some from her we didn't expect to see. Maybe we'll get to interact with Carla through texts? She does have her own party to go to right? For now I'll give you this as she sent us off in Chapter 5:
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Hmm, what about Lisa? The first and main girl in this story of ours. Well, she graciously shared her home with MC for this birthday party, it would be really strange if she wasn't a part of the festivities no? Well, this time around Lisa will be in the presence of the thing that loosen EVERYONE'S tongues. Of course I'm talking about alcohol. If you recall the last time Lisa had some alcohol was in Chapter 3 in the pool. That time ended up being a bit strange with Lisa if you recall. I wonder, how will this influence her this time? It seems she's really excited for the games to begin. If you played Chapter 5 then you'll know that MC called out Lisa on her insistence that she's old. Maybe this party can help change that? Who knows. Wait, what is she doing here?
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I hope you stick by us and enjoy the update in due time. We've tried to make a game that is fun and wholesome and that is packed with self-reflection and mental health without bumming you out. If you like our game or like the direction, please consider supporting Sweetychily and me on Patreon.

Edit: Correction: I made a mistake in our release schedule with the update. So, I'm removing the scheduled date below. When I know, I'll add one. Sorry for the miscommunication.
Thanks for hearing/reading my words :D

Have a fantastic day!
 
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Ch 6 has been released, any update?
Hello! One of the Dev's here. Not too much of an official update just yet. We've been busy this entire time and we are planning on releasing Chapter 7 soonish, chapter 6 will be dropping here after we've modified it a bit.

So expect that soonish. I don't wanna say dates because I don't like setting expectations, but if everything goes right, it's soon.
 

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I dont think so. Im not even sure how many years (my estimate 6+yrs) this take for mc to fuck at least once every girl in this "natural" SLOWBURN harem game)
Well, we release pretty consistently every month and a half to 2 months, so maybe instead I'd cut it in half. Let's say 3 years :p
 

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Any sex scenes other than handjob yet
I dont think so. Im not even sure how many years (my estimate 6+yrs) this take for mc to fuck at least once every girl in this "natural" SLOWBURN harem game)
who's route has the handjob? I got nothing but dialogue
Umm, I think they are confused. There was an old scene where you were forced to be with MC's ex girlfriend and she gives a handjob. This was taken out and the story massively changed.

If you want to see sex, it'll be in the complete version of Chapter 7.

I will remind everyone this is Slow burn, so if you don't like it, come back in an update or 5, we'll still be here. If the content you see isn't enough for you, we understand. Have an awesome day!
 

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This Game has incest and what type is it? I have noticed that some developers do not say if it has
 
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