Holy Bacchus

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A lot of story will have to be rewritten to fit Ren'Py since you can't just walk around like in RPGM. Also, we will have to re-render all the images from ACT1 and 2 of the game which is 2594 images converted from 720p to 1080p + updates to the poses, expressions and backgrounds in all the images.
Some of you commented that we should not Port ACT1, 2 & 3 and start working on ACT4 ASAP. But, this is not possible since we want to bring LwM to a new level of quality.
These 2 parts of @IncetonGames Patreon post give me hope that the characters will be getting an EoL-level makeover and that the story will be tightened up so that the progression from fuck buddies to romance become more natural and understandable.
 

Hlextor

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Holy fuck! How can be sex between your mother and dad be considered as ntr? :oops:
No, i meant the scene where Mom is fucked from her son and Dad thinks it‘s a stranger! And he want‘s to repeat it. He loves watching Mom fucked from stranger!?
 

Conviction07

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No, i meant the scene where Mom is fucked from her son and Dad thinks it‘s a stranger! And he want‘s to repeat it. He loves watching Mom fucked from stranger!?
The idea was that since their sex life had fizzled, they would decide to experiment with swinging. Whether or not this would continue in the future is as of yet undecided, but even if it did continue, you’d probably never see it. After all, the story is about Mia and the MC, not his parents.
 

bluehound36

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I understand the story may have taken a slightly sharp turn into a direction you weren't anticipating, but I don't understand what's so nonsensical about attempting to develop the characters into more three-dimensional versions of themselves? You say the game was mainly about the characters kinks, and what deviants they were? You're right, it was. For 2 years. But how long can you keep doing the same thing before it starts to feel drawn out, and dragged on?
That was the whole point to a game like this, it was meant to be taboo to the point of absurdity cause you know stuff like that isn't something people would do in real life (hopefully not anyway). The characters were basically freebirds with zero cares and that was the appeal of it. I also still firmly stand by my assessment that the drastic change from that to the romance plot was due to the backlash inceton got over attempting to develop the dad-daughter relationship. That not only pissed off patrons but it also upset people on this forum that began a full on "reeeeeee" about NTR. How could it possibly be NTR was what i thought about people complaining when the characters are ALL fucking anything that moves like rabbits? What's effectively happened now because of that, is the harem that those very people were hoping for has all but been destroyed, any new content where mia screws anything other than the brother is no more and now it's fully being set on a path of a romantic comedy to pull on heartstrings. What really has the biggest plothole and makes zero sense is how Emma was changed from BFFs with Mia to a straight up manipulative and sociopathic harlot? Please explain that decision from a literary standpoint if story is your concern? There's actually quite a few plotholes now to say the least but it just isn't worth going over everything. As I stated already in a previous post, I hope the story can be fleshed out so it works to maintain the audience's interest and i'll wait to see what the next update has in that regard. As it stands however, i'll keep my expectations low just in case. Try not to systematically destroy all the taboo and kinks that made this game what it was though? That was why it had such a large audience. Also, i'm half expecting a drpinkcake to be pulled and see the MC's house burned down with the parents still inside because of the sociopath now living next door.
 

Conviction07

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That was the whole point to a game like this, it was meant to be taboo to the point of absurdity cause you know stuff like that isn't something people would do in real life (hopefully not anyway). The characters were basically freebirds with zero cares and that was the appeal of it. I also still firmly stand by my assessment that the drastic change from that to the romance plot was due to the backlash inceton got over attempting to develop the dad-daughter relationship. That not only pissed off patrons but it also upset people on this forum that began a full on "reeeeeee" about NTR. How could it possibly be NTR was what i thought about people complaining when the characters are ALL fucking anything that moves like rabbits? What's effectively happened now because of that, is the harem that those very people were hoping for has all but been destroyed, any new content where mia screws anything other than the brother is no more and now it's fully being set on a path of a romantic comedy to pull on heartstrings. What really has the biggest plothole and makes zero sense is how Emma was changed from BFFs with Mia to a straight up manipulative and sociopathic harlot? Please explain that decision from a literary standpoint if story is your concern? There's actually quite a few plotholes now to say the least but it just isn't worth going over everything. As I stated already in a previous post, I hope the story can be fleshed out so it works to maintain the audience's interest and i'll wait to see what the next update has in that regard. As it stands however, i'll keep my expectations low just in case. Try not to systematically destroy all the taboo and kinks that made this game what it was though? That was why it had such a large audience. Also, i'm half expecting a drpinkcake to be pulled and see the MC's house burned down with the parents still inside because of the sociopath now living next door.
You know, I read through this post a couple of times and considered all the ways in which I’d debate your criticisms, but I thought, why? I’ve been around this forum long enough to realise that no matter what I say, or what justifications I give for the choices I’ve made, none of it will matter. Because clearly you won’t be convinced. So all I can do is my best, and hope that resonates with as many people as possible. Which considering this update has garnered one of the most positive reactions so far, I think we’re doing something right. (It’s a nice feeling when people tell you how emotionally affecting something you wrote was to them, instead of only talking about what a hard on they got from that one threesome scene.)

And don’t worry, if I have any say in the matter, the game moving forward will more than keep people’s interest. And not just because of the erotic scenes, but because of the engaging narrative that I hope to create. Because guess what? A game filled with hot, kinky sex as well as an engaging storyline aren’t mutually exclusive. I’m sorry you didn’t get your harem ending where Mia gets skewered by random dicks from every which direction. Trust me, if I didn’t care about the story, that’s exactly the kind of thing I’d have done. I could write that shit in my sleep. But I think a lot people would appreciate something just a little more nuanced than that.
 

bluehound36

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I’m sorry you didn’t get your harem ending where Mia gets skewered by random dicks from every which direction.
You definitely missed my point there, I didn't care if mia ended up in something like that myself other than the taboo nature and absurdity of the erotic content. Which is why I never understood some of the backlash in regards to the NTR when it wasn't really NTR. The backlash on that ruined any chance of pushing the taboo further. So, I blame the ones who whine about it more than anything, they shot themselves in the foot and now they don't get to have their harem of all the women with the MC (downside for everyone else? Now everything has been tossed out basically. Upside? New direction that you hopefully do a good job with). Myself though? I just don't see this working out as well as you think it will but I am going to give benefit of the doubt since it has held my interest due to the taboo nature of the game for as long as it did. I just hope the taboo nature of the game isn't sacrificed entirely for the nuance you want to try and create. Main issue as best I can put it that hopefully you'll understand is a big pitfall in writing, suspension of disbelief. You turned the story down a route that will definitely need further exploration as to why it happened. Why did emma suddenly become the manipulative bitch? Why did the dad call grace to talk about his wife and suddenly she's making an offer to mia to live with and work for her? What was that about? Wouldn't she call her sister instead and ask what's going on? There's plenty of questions and hopefully you work it out cause the characters are worth expanding on with content. Just don't forget it started off as taboo and that isn't something to just toss out entirely without risk.
 

HutCheese

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Correction, Mia didn't fuck the dog, there is no penetration, the dog just lick her and she suck the dog's dick, and all the other scene that you mentioned except the doctor is not part of the main story, meaning to say that it will only happen if you as the player will allow it to happen of course if you play the side quest
Aren't the blowjobs to the neighbor or dad forced? when she is drunk in the reunion with the neighbors, when she is blackmailed to go to the pool or when the light go out in home with dad, because just happened in my play, no way to avoid them.

I know is not exactly ntr except maybe the doctor and the blackmail at the pool because the friend forced she to blow him without consent of MC and no way to stop it or he will be forced to confess it was his plan to fuck Mia in the ass.

I am not complaining but i still believe the game can be considered cuck.
 

Conviction07

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You definitely missed my point there, I didn't care if mia ended up in something like that myself other than the taboo nature and absurdity of the erotic content. Which is why I never understood some of the backlash in regards to the NTR when it wasn't really NTR. The backlash on that ruined any chance of pushing the taboo further. So, I blame the ones who whine about it more than anything, they shot themselves in the foot and now they don't get to have their harem of all the women with the MC (downside for everyone else? Now everything has been tossed out basically. Upside? New direction that you hopefully do a good job with). Myself though? I just don't see this working out as well as you think it will but I am going to give benefit of the doubt since it has held my interest due to the taboo nature of the game for as long as it did. I just hope the taboo nature of the game isn't sacrificed entirely for the nuance you want to try and create. Main issue as best I can put it that hopefully you'll understand is a big pitfall in writing, suspension of disbelief. You turned the story down a route that will definitely need further exploration as to why it happened. Why did emma suddenly become the manipulative bitch? Why did the dad call grace to talk about his wife and suddenly she's making an offer to mia to live with and work for her? What was that about? Wouldn't she call her sister instead and ask what's going on? There's plenty of questions and hopefully you work it out cause the characters are worth expanding on with content. Just don't forget it started off as taboo and that isn't something to just toss out entirely without risk.
I don't see why any of these questions you have need further explaining? Why did Emma become a manipulative bitch? Well, it shouldn't be hard to believe because she certainly was no saint before. She was always sort of cunty. And I thought out of the limited characters I had to work with, Emma would most believably play the role of an antagonist which I thought the game was in need of. Because without conflict, there's no story. At least not an interesting one. And by making her the "bad guy", it removed the need for the MC to be the villain. Which even though he was the protagonist, he always still was. Now, he was on the other side, getting a taste of his own medicine. He was the one getting blackmailed and forced into doing things he didn't want. For once it allowed for him to become a sympathetic character (at least to some extent).

On to your other questions, why did the dad call Grace? Because after their blow up, he thought he'd ask his wife's sister if there was something going on with her, that she wouldn't tell him about. Why did Grace call Mia and not the mom? Because it was established that the two sisters didn't get along, and she was just concerned about the wellbeing of her wayward niece, maybe? And then she offered Mia a job because she sensed how directionless her life was. Makes sense, doesn't it?

I could probably come up with an answer for all your other questions, too. But to be honest, at the end of the day they're all plot contrivances used to get the story to where I wanted it to be in the end. That's literally how every story is. Ever watched cinema sins? Some of the best, most highly paid writers in Hollywood, employ the same tactics to make their story conveniently play out the way they wanted it to.

As for your final concern that the game will somehow lose its taboo nature, I mean, the game ultimately revolves around the romantic relationship between a brother and sister? So of course the taboo aspect will always remain front and center.
 

cxx

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He got her a morning after pill after he came in her the first time but then she went to the clinic to get a prescription for the birth control pill and she's been on them ever since.
says she.

i didn't play side quest's, is it the main character?
yup with mommy dearest (long after son dearest changed her pills).


Does the game turn into NTR (Mom/Dad)?
not fully since mia is 1 of main chars.

any save from the last version on act3?
read page or 2 before your post or search since i posted saves.

i read fucked by the dog? where?
betas and my sister mia 1.0 full and act 1 complete, not in any current versions so those you need to find on the internet.

i was talking about the drug deal quest
you can say no to emma's request.

Aren't the blowjobs to the neighbor or dad forced? when she is drunk in the reunion with the neighbors, when she is blackmailed to go to the pool or when the light go out in home with dad, because just happened in my play, no way to avoid them.
everything done with neighbor was to advance on plot, dad forcing mia to give bj is on grey area.
 
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