Corvus Belli

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But some story formulas earn a fanbase because it works look at Supernatural. What is it 14 seasons now and still going strong with basically the same theme?
They're on Season 15 now. It's a good example, for both our perspectives; you're right that some people have been more than happy with a decade and a half of the same thing on repeat, but a fair few people have stopped watching for that very same reason.
I think of it as more akin to The Force Awakens; it could have been a decent movie, if it wasn't just a remake of A New Hope.

Some deviation could be good but if it's not broke don't step on it.
A fair point, but if we're exchanging aphorisms, variety is the spice of life.
In broad strokes, I agree with you; a game about seducing/corrupting an attractive young woman sounds great, even though it's the same basic story as the last two (and who knows how many more made by other people). It's the ancillary details (in this example, the far more sexually aggressive/adventurous best friend) that I think shouldn't remain a constant. Or maybe you're right, and it could be Mr. Dots' signature.

IMO I would like the next game to bridge the interval between Melody and DMD featuring another blonde (or redhead) hottie.
Personally, I've always preferred black hair, and I might have a thing for short women, or it might just be that almost every woman's shorter than me; I'm honestly uncertain which it is.
 

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I wouldn't mind the D having sex with random men. I don't rly care about her, I only want Elena and Jennifer for myself.
How about the pizza delivery guy? D has enough cash for the pizza, but not enough for the tip. :ROFLMAO:

I've had a script in mind. :unsure:
 

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so in the dev noted is i dont need to load prev save in chapter 2? just play chapter 3 in new game?
 

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so in the dev noted is i dont need to load prev save in chapter 2? just play chapter 3 in new game?
yes if you have finished ch 2 then just take notes of statpoints and start ch 3 and answer to few questions.
 

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They're on Season 15 now. It's a good example, for both our perspectives; you're right that some people have been more than happy with a decade and a half of the same thing on repeat, but a fair few people have stopped watching for that very same reason.
I think of it as more akin to The Force Awakens; it could have been a decent movie, if it wasn't just a remake of A New Hope.


A fair point, but if we're exchanging aphorisms, variety is the spice of life.
In broad strokes, I agree with you; a game about seducing/corrupting an attractive young woman sounds great, even though it's the same basic story as the last two (and who knows how many more made by other people). It's the ancillary details (in this example, the far more sexually aggressive/adventurous best friend) that I think shouldn't remain a constant. Or maybe you're right, and it could be Mr. Dots' signature.


Personally, I've always preferred black hair, and I might have a thing for short women, or it might just be that almost every woman's shorter than me; I'm honestly uncertain which it is.
Wow Season 15. I thought Supernatural would have ended at Season 13, the supernatural connotations of the number.

Actually I prefer dark haired girls in real life, but in corruption games for some reason I prefer a young hot blond girls (with fuller breasts :love:) as the focus of a VN. I guess its the white hat dark hat syndrome. Blond haired girls seem a bit more girl-next-doorish(?).

Keeping your brand fresh is important so maybe Mr.Dots and his team will experiment with a different story angle while DMD is still active. Some deviation could help pull fans into the new game and take his team out of their comfort zone to challenge their skills.

Another constant feature (if 2 games constitute a pattern) of the Mr.Dots team seems to be a girl who ends up being involved in a "glamorous" profession, DMD is a model, Melody becomes a rock star. Perhaps a main female character who is more mainstream? Like a teenage girl who is a high school student (who fights monsters and slays vampires :D).

Whatever the new NV is I just hope the team remembers these games are for entertainment and keep that as their underlying development theme.
 

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Let's go with something more exotic like some of the Honey Select games or SU.
blue,green,violet etc hair color.
 
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Another constant feature (if 2 games constitute a pattern) of the Mr.Dots team seems to be a girl who ends up being involved in a "glamorous" profession, DMD is a model, Melody becomes a rock star. Perhaps a main female character who is more mainstream? Like a teenage girl who is a high school student (who fights monsters and slays vampires :D).
Would she be the one born unto every generation?
 
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Keeping your brand fresh is important so maybe Mr.Dots and his team will experiment with a different story angle while DMD is still active. Some deviation could help pull fans into the new game and take his team out of their comfort zone to challenge their skills.

Another constant feature (if 2 games constitute a pattern) of the Mr.Dots team seems to be a girl who ends up being involved in a "glamorous" profession
Would like to see a young female politician just starting out in that shark infested world. Lots of choices and temptation to stay true to your values or succumb to corruption
 
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RustyV

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A young politician is an interesting concept but unfortunately this theme could lead to politics and infecting the VN.
We are inundated by political rhetoric enough in the real world, VNs like DMD and places like F95 are one of the few havens from this unrelenting socio-political babble.
Ironically these threads seem to be one of the few places where people feel comfortable expressing their thoughts and sharing ideas with each other without fear of judgement.
AND now I got political.
 
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It's to prevent the game from being too large for people to easily download; if it was one large game, it'd be about 8GB, and a lot of people were getting annoyed at the size when the game was about 3GB. To fix the problem, Mr. Dots decided to split the game into smaller chapters. Is it a perfect solution? No, it is not. Is it a decent one? I'd say so. YMMV, of course.
It would have been the perfect solution if not for the fact that here on F95 you don't have access to each chapter in it's entirety. Take chapter 2 for example. It's missing the last part and can not be played fully because of it.

-Chapter 1 ends at 0145
Updates 17,18 ,19 ,20, 21 MISSING
-Chapter 2 ends at 0215
Updates 0220 and 0225 are MISSING
-Chapter 3 starts at 0230

This is what's pissing everyone off. Not the fact that he split the game in chapters. But the fact that there are whole chunks of the game missing. And there is no reason what so ever for doing that. File Size or otherwise. I have a MEGA subscription, I don't mind high file sizes. There's other games here on F95 as big as 16-20GB each.

Fine, you want to split the game and make the download size smaller? OK, but why cut chunks off from the game? Moreover, why not just post the individual update files? Why does everyone have to download all the game assets worth 3-4GB everytime instead of just a few hundred megas worth of, you know, actual updated files and new files? Everyone installs inc patches and knows how to unzip and copy into the base folder / game folder. If the size is such a problem and the main reason for mangling the game into tiny parts is size alone, then why not just provide individual links with archived / compressed files that can just be unzipped and copied over the base game files?

Very rarely does a game need a full redownload. Like when the game engine gets changed. Everything else in an update just replaces your already existing files with new versions of them that contain either updated data and/or new data. That means your only download for every new version would only be up to 1 GB. Nice and easy for everyone. UI changes only requires several files changed, not the whole game. Text changes only require 1 file updated. New animations can just be copied onto the already existing base game.

1. You don't need to download the whole game every time there's an update.
2. And you don't have to cut content off due to size limits because "see nr. 1"
 
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armion82

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It would have been the perfect solution if not for the fact that here on F95 you don't have access to each chapter in it's entirety. Take chapter 2 for example. It's missing the last part and can not be played fully because of it.

-Chapter 1 ends at 0145
Updates 17,18 ,19 ,20, 21 MISSING
-Chapter 2 ends at 0215
Updates 0220 and 0225 are MISSING
-Chapter 3 starts at 0230

This is what's pissing everyone off. Not the fact that he split the game in chapters. But the fact that there are whole chunks of the game missing. And there is no reason what so ever for doing that. File Size or otherwise. I have a MEGA subscription, I don't mind high file sizes. There's other games here on F95 as big as 16-20GB each.

Fine, you want to split the game and make the download size smaller? OK, but why cut chunks off from the game? Moreover, why not just post the individual update files? Why does everyone have to download all the game assets worth 3-4GB everytime instead of just a few hundred megas worth of, you know, actual updated files and new files? Everyone installs inc patches and knows how to unzip and copy into the base folder / game folder. If the size is such a problem and the main reason for mangling the game into tiny parts is size alone, then why not just provide individual links with archived / compressed files that can just be unzipped and copied over the base game files?

Very rarely does a game need a full redownload. Like when the game engine gets changed. Everything else in an update just replaces your already existing files with new versions of them that contain either updated data and/or new data. That means your only download for every new version would only be up to 1 GB. Nice and easy for everyone. UI changes only requires several files changed, not the whole game. Text changes only require 1 file updated. New animations can just be copied onto the already existing base game.

1. You don't need to download the whole game every time there's an update.
2. And you don't have to cut content off due to size limits because "see nr. 1"
What are you talking about?
Chapter 1 was 0.0.1-0.14
Chapter 2 was 0.14-0.21
Chapter 3 starts from 0.22
There is no missing parts of the game.
 

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It would have been the perfect solution if not for the fact that here on F95 you don't have access to each chapter in it's entirety. Take chapter 2 for example. It's missing the last part and can not be played fully because of it.

-Chapter 1 ends at 0145
Updates 17,18 ,19 ,20, 21 MISSING
-Chapter 2 ends at 0215
Updates 0220 and 0225 are MISSING
-Chapter 3 starts at 0230

This is what's pissing everyone off. Not the fact that he split the game in chapters. But the fact that there are whole chunks of the game missing. And there is no reason what so ever for doing that. File Size or otherwise. I have a MEGA subscription, I don't mind high file sizes. There's other games here on F95 as big as 16-20GB each.

Fine, you want to split the game and make the download size smaller? OK, but why cut chunks off from the game? Moreover, why not just post the individual update files? Why does everyone have to download all the game assets worth 3-4GB everytime instead of just a few hundred megas worth of, you know, actual updated files and new files? Everyone installs inc patches and knows how to unzip and copy into the base folder / game folder. If the size is such a problem and the main reason for mangling the game into tiny parts is size alone, then why not just provide individual links with archived / compressed files that can just be unzipped and copied over the base game files?

Very rarely does a game need a full redownload. Like when the game engine gets changed. Everything else in an update just replaces your already existing files with new versions of them that contain either updated data and/or new data. That means your only download for every new version would only be up to 1 GB. Nice and easy for everyone. UI changes only requires several files changed, not the whole game. Text changes only require 1 file updated. New animations can just be copied onto the already existing base game.

1. You don't need to download the whole game every time there's an update.
2. And you don't have to cut content off due to size limits because "see nr. 1"
Whole chunks of the game missing? No, they're not. Chapter 2 starts where chapter 1 ends. Chapter 3 starts where chapter 2 ends. I downloaded each chapter using the links in the OP, and I have the entire story (so far). Nothing missing.

Why does he release a new version with all previous stuff in that chapter included?
  1. It's easier to hit a button to make the latest release than it is to hit that button, then unpack that release and create a patch from the previous release. Creating the patch can be a PITA.
  2. There will always be people who, no matter how detailed and step-by-step you make the patching instructions, will fail at doing the patch correctly. If you disagree with me, I invite you to go to the Ecchi Sensei thread and see how many people have problems installing the Dark Mind patch. Or the Timestamps thread and see how many people unzip the patch, even though the instructions clearly say not to, and to just drop the zip in a specific place.
 

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This is what's pissing everyone off. Not the fact that he split the game in chapters. But the fact that there are whole chunks of the game missing.
I'm pretty much a technological functional illiterate and I've had no issues downloading any DMD update.
If you mean chunks missing in game play the Mr.Dots team did time jump a few times. And it is not uncommon for books in a trilogy to time jump from one volume to the next.
 
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