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goobdoob said:
Well, the links are made by unpaid volunteers. You get what you get, and you'll like it! :p
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So... to get this right. I'm an idiot for wishing that the developer figure out how to either patch his shit or put up a torrent?
If I download this and make a torrent, do I get something other than a virtual cookie?
 
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So... to get this right. I'm an idiot for wishing that the developer figure out how to either patch his shit or put up a torrent?
If I download this and make a torrent, do I get something other than a virtual cookie?
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I said nothing about you being an idiot.

Patching is hard. Given that LazingInTheHaze is not a professional programmer, I think asking him to make a patch is going to be fruitless.

If you make a torrent, you will probably get a virtual cookie. Or some likes. Or you might not.
 
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wantpizza said:
So... to get this right. I'm an idiot for wishing that the developer figure out how to either patch his shit or put up a torrent?
If I download this and make a torrent, do I get something other than a virtual cookie?
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I said nothing about you being an idiot.

Patching is hard. Given that LazingInTheHaze is not a professional programmer, I think asking him to make a patch is going to be fruitless.

If you make a torrent, you will probably get a virtual cookie. Or some likes. Or you might not.
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Bringing up difficult patch techniques for such a game would be like using a cannon to kill a mosquito.
The game is already working with a "progressive update pattern" philosophy; you need to download the game once, then simply download the updates I publish for each new release (provided you keep the game on your HDD).

Many released passed already and I noticed people prefer to download each time the entire game. That's why I produced also a link for the entire game (all chapters in). I really don't think the majority of people here bothers to have an efficient distribution pattern of any game: get a link, download, unzip, play! That's all!

Plus, considering that to include Internet access into any game mechanics is considered "negative" from the majority of the people on this community (although I don't clearly understand why, nowadays), it's really hard to build up a solid "update" workflow for a game.

Perhaps, for the next game I'll try again to create something more intelligent and efficient in terms of game updates... although everything is still on paper. :)
 
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Bringing up difficult patch techniques for such a game would be like using a cannon to kill a mosquito.
The game is already working with a "progressive update pattern" philosophy; you need to download the game once, then simply download the updates I publish for each new release (provided you keep the game on your HDD).

Many released passed already and I noticed people prefer to download each time the entire game. That's why I produced also a link for the entire game (all chapters in). I really don't think the majority of people here bothers to have an efficient distribution pattern of any game: get a link, download, unzip, play! That's all!

Plus, considering that to include Internet access into any game mechanics is considered "negative" from the majority of the people on this community (although I don't clearly understand why, nowadays), it's really hard to build up a solid "update" workflow for a game.

Perhaps, for the next game I'll try again to create something more intelligent and efficient in terms of game updates... although everything is still on paper. :)
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In theory, the "download each chapter" model is good, but in practice it doesn't quite work.

When I download a game, I want to download the whole thing. If I could download a part that would remain the same while I downloaded other updates, that would be fine. But what we have now doesn't work that way. In practice, if I download a new version, I have to re-download the chapters.

People don't want their porn game taking to the internet because that's what trojans do, and many viruses/trojans use porn as their deliver mechanism. It looks too much like what the bad guys are doing.

To decouple the chapters/program, you'd need to
  1. Have separate chapter downloads
  2. Have versioning in the chapters so the main program would complain instead of load an older version
  3. Have a way to copy the chapters from an old install to a new install
 
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goobdoob said:
In theory, the "download each chapter" model is good, but in practice it doesn't quite work.

When I download a game, I want to download the whole thing. If I could download a part that would remain the same while I downloaded other updates, that would be fine. But what we have now doesn't work that way. In practice, if I download a new version, I have to re-download the chapters.

People don't want their porn game taking to the internet because that's what trojans do, and many viruses/trojans use porn as their deliver mechanism. It looks too much like what the bad guys are doing.

To decouple the chapters/program, you'd need to
  1. Have separate chapter downloads
  2. Have versioning in the chapters so the main program would complain instead of load an older version
  3. Have a way to copy the chapters from an old install to a new install
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Nice points.
Except for point 3, HM implements exactly the pattern you describe in points 1 and 2. If you keep the game on your HDD from update to update, you don't need to download every chapter every time. Chapter files (aka contents) are sealed and don't change from version to version, and any way the game keep tracks of file hashes.
I changed a bit the way to verify chapters contents, since I noticed recently that if your PC isn't at top specs the multi-threading chapters verification process can return erroneously and the red icons appears even if you have all the files correctly.
Each new version includes and update of the main program (since texts and flow control are there) and the only new/updated chapter file.

About Internet access, I got what you say, but let me add some points:
1. If you trust the publisher of the game and the urls used by the game are clearly stated, it shouldn't arm you in anyway.
2. If you don't trust the publisher, then why do you even run that exe file on you pc. Trojans and malicious software can secretly install on your PC and run afterwards without your attention.
3. It could be that you trust the publisher, but someone else patched the program adding to it some malicious piece of code: that's the reason to get the files from the original producer, instead from other "strange" sources.
4. Whatever you say, from my POV, it's a matter of trust between you and the producer of the game: try it, test it and if you like it, after verification, then you can let the program exploit intelligently all the benefits that of an internet connection. You can even wait the community to test the game for you.
 
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can someone help please cant get the scene with doctor at annual exam the hotspot is not visible while she is waiting
 
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LazingInTheHaze said:
Nice points.
Except for point 3, HM implements exactly the pattern you describe in points 1 and 2. If you keep the game on your HDD from update to update, you don't need to download every chapter every time. Chapter files (aka contents) are sealed and don't change from version to version, and any way the game keep tracks of file hashes.
I changed a bit the way to verify chapters contents, since I noticed recently that if your PC isn't at top specs the multi-threading chapters verification process can return erroneously and the red icons appears even if you have all the files correctly.
Each new version includes and update of the main program (since texts and flow control are there) and the only new/updated chapter file.

About Internet access, I got what you say, but let me add some points:
1. If you trust the publisher of the game and the urls used by the game are clearly stated, it shouldn't arm you in anyway.
2. If you don't trust the publisher, then why do you even run that exe file on you pc. Trojans and malicious software can secretly install on your PC and run afterwards without your attention.
3. It could be that you trust the publisher, but someone else patched the program adding to it some malicious piece of code: that's the reason to get the files from the original producer, instead from other "strange" sources.
4. Whatever you say, from my POV, it's a matter of trust between you and the producer of the game: try it, test it and if you like it, after verification, then you can let the program exploit intelligently all the benefits that of an internet connection. You can even wait the community to test the game for you.
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Right now, my flow is to download a new version, delete the old version, and run the new version. How do the chapters I've already downloaded transfer from the old version to the new version?

Your internet access points are good ones, but it still feels kind of skeevy when a porn game starts talking over the internet. Plus, I don't know if I trust some rando porn game dev. I recently found out that a certain dev's collaborator quit and deleted all the shared game info, including custom Daz models. I can see someone doing that, but putting shit into a game that got shipped. A game "phoning home" makes me leery of that game.
 
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goobdoob said:
Right now, my flow is to download a new version, delete the old version, and run the new version. How do the chapters I've already downloaded transfer from the old version to the new version?
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Simply unzip the contents of the Update Rar over the game folder, overwriting whatever is already there (previous chapters will stay there untouched). Then run the game. Your save games and settings are kept in your user folder so are untouched too.
 
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Simply unzip the contents of the Update Rar over the game folder, overwriting whatever is already there (previous chapters will stay there untouched). Then run the game. Your save games and settings are kept in your user folder so are untouched too.
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I'm on a Mac; I just double click the zip. I could copy the chapters from the old install to the new one; is it just the "chapters" folder just inside the app?

Which reminds me - instead of the blog post to help people run on the Mac in the OP, feel free to point to Permission Fixer. :D
 
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