VN Ren'Py Abandoned Love and Submission [v0.08] [veqvil]

[GrimCreeper3]

I find it funny some people still defend Veqvil when this game has been out for 3 years, he took a year off for "mental health" reasons which I think is complete BS now and the other 2 years of pure nothing. So how some people can defend him is beyond logical reason, we all have a our demons we all have some for of mental health issues. Because that the era we live in now and always will, so when a dev says they are taking a break for "mental health" reason I see it as a milking season and just ignore the threads sometimes. I know I'm probably going to get bashed for this but that the way I see these devs now.

 

[Xanny boy]

Sad but predictable

 

[Qmil679]

Again?! Eh..

 

[Squark ⚧❤️]

Is this veq's first attempt at a game? If it is, I feel it was way too ambitious.
I also think he lacked anything resembling a basic roadmap of the game's end.
The two most prevalent pitfalls in game development and it feels like he managed to hit both of them.

 

[Game Bond]

I really loved the whole plot. Truly memorable characters. Hopes not lost. Maybe one day this project gets the treatment it deserves. For now....goodbye.

 

[light03]

all that content is impossible work for a single person

It is possible. Methodical work, scene by scene. Yes, it will take some time, but it is a lie to say that it is not possible.

same goes for LaS, it doesn't have that many renders, but the coding is a nightmare.

And that's why people support him. Coding this is definitely the part where you can get qualified help for money. That is why people give him money. To not do everything alone. Use this money to develop the game. But instead, he does not use this money for its intended purpose and comes up with excuses about burnout.

But my main message was not even that. In two years there was one small update to bring patrons back. What's the point of talking about being overly ambitious? He did not do anything and continued to take money from people for nothing. The problem is not ambition, stop using that excuse. Problem is Veq. He had the opportunity to allocate resources to get help for money and make significant progress in development and the number of supporters would then only increase. But he is a fraud and it is time for people to understand this.

 

[xXwankerXx]

The problem is not ambition, stop using that excuse.

Chill, man !! I don't defend an obvious scam. I was just making a point. I completely agree with everything u said, Veq should've handled it way better than he did, hire some ppl to help, a promising game with a promising story and decent quality renders always makes money, but that means back-breaking work in the long run, so he took the easy way out like ICSTOR did.

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There's exceptions, of course, but devs like Scamdrop, Aorrta, ICSTOR, lost their credibility a long time ago, the peeps who keep throwing money on them probably still believe the Earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese. Like I said in a previous post, if this shit called milking keeps going unpunished, we'll lose all the talented devs and all the promising/high-quality games leaked here on f95, not only LaS. That's the sad truth !!

 

[light03]

Chill, man !! I don't defend an obvious scam. I

I'm not talking personally about you, I apologize if the quotes are so confusing. I mean, a lot of people started repeating the argument that things would have been different if LaS were a simpler game. I don't think so, the only thing that, in my opinion, could change, it is that a simpler game would not have attracted the attention of so many people and it did not have that much support.

I also completely agree with you, but I want to note that mentioned ICSTOR still created a lot more sexual content, although he started game later. These incest stories are not my type of games at all, but it's hard for me to deny it.

There's exceptions, of course, but devs like Scamdrop, Aorrta, ICSTOR, lost their credibility a long time ago, the peeps who keep throwing money on them probably still believe the Earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese.

Exactly! I even had a joke thought that all these developers are in fact a money laundering project. I understand that this is stupid and the amount is not that big, but I really find it hard to believe that there are so many gullible and naive people

 

[Wicked Garden]

R.I.P for the second time.

It sucks yes, but I can't say I'm entirely shocked. As good as the moment felt when he returned early this year I knew it wasn't gonna last. Especially, when he started talking about all the things he wanted to do and all the different paths he was gonna create I was thinking to myself "How the hell is he gonna pull all of this off?". I mean, unless he has a whole slew of writers working with him it's sort of ridiculous to think that one man was gonna be able to fulfill so many obligations and satisfy everyone's appetite content wise, all while keeping level head.

We can talk about what he should've done in terms of making this project a VN versus Sandbox and that's fine, but to me this speaks more to the fact that the Dev stretched himself way too thin trying to please everyone. The game is called Love and Submission, those are the only two paths I cared about anyway. Some of us could kinda see where the story was heading, it's not like the story was too complex to understand.

As far as the patreons supporting him, it's not my place to tell fully grown adults who they should and shouldn't support. I myself have stupidly supported lousy Devs(Gumdrop and Aorrta) in the past, but you live and you learn.

 

[Lotex]

I could've sworn the game was actually a VN in the beginning before he for some reason decided to go with sandbox instead. Up until 0.4 or 0.5 it at least felt like it.

 

[thenono]

well everyone saw it coming, came back got the quick cash injection he wanted and then started the same complaints about the Becky path that he used last time as the reasons for the delay and is burnt out again. Loads of potential but never ever going to realise it.

 

[mentore]

I can't believe it! Abandoned again!!

 

[SubtleHustle]

I can't believe it! Abandoned again!!

The first time it was abandoned I was able to keep watching the thread because it was very rarely replied to. This time I sense is different.

 

[John972]

I don't have a strong opinion one way or another about Veq (since I have never supported his work financially), other than enjoying LaS.

However, when he made his sudden return and dropped the new version of LaS, my first thought was rather cynical - his return coincided with many countries entering CORVID lockdown, leading to many people losing work and hence income. I hoped Veq's return meant full steam ahead for LaS but in the back of my mind, I feared it was gambit to create an emergency revenue stream...

Anyway, time will tell what happens in the future... Veq came back once, he could come back again.

 

[stup3ndous]

My policy simple...no complete game no support...too many fraudsters and scammers online these days...hell, paying for a session of these cam girls live is more worth it than supporting these fraudsters who start the day 101 excuses on the headline of their schedule list.

 

[RandyPhoenix]

Wow amazing... You cameback, told everyone you will not abonden game again, you will make steady updates (even they are take some time) and now you are doing again. Your game is amazing, story, girls/women renders, animations everyting amazing except one thing: you...

 

[Ankhesenamun]

People here can be so unkind. I guess a community composed of horny fragile dudes is bound to be spiteful and frustrating.

Veqvil is a developer who, as those who have accompanied him from the start know, struggles with mental health issues and worked on this game as an hobby besides his job, family and personal life. When he first abandoned the game, he made it clear he was trying to overcome severe mental health issues, and walked away to try and regain his footing. He returned earlier this year presumably because he thought he could take it on. He was motivated and eager to get back to work on his project - but at some point, he failed. He couldn't keep up with it. So what?

It's alright to fail. It's alright to make mistakes. It's alright to struggle and lose sometimes. Anyone who has had a project knows how frustrating, tiresome and bland it can become after some time. Renders are work. Python coding is work. Posing is work. These games require a lot of time and effort, and it drains you. But you know what's even worse, and what drains you the most? You, struggling with your mental health, opening your game's forums, and reading how much of a lying, scammy, piece of shit you are.

“BuT He Is ScAmMiNg PatRoNs” - yeah, 99% of people who say this aren’t his patrons. That’s between him and his patrons. If they feel scammed, they can stop donating. If they feel they were lied to, it's still between them and Veqvil. But let's be real here: you're not mad because of Patreon, you're upset you didn't get to see a plastic 3D virtual doll created by the developer being posed in sexual positions that simulate her having intercourse with a male 3D doll which you use as a self-insert. This is what this is all about. And no matter how childish it is, the hate, drama, anger, rage, it's all horrible for a developer to deal with. And you know what? I hope this game remains abandoned for good, and that Veqvil doesn't have to deal with the toxicity again.


In fact, let me give you a guide on when it's alright to be mad at a developer:

Did you pay for his project?
Yes → Complain
No → Shut

Did you contribute for the development of the project?
Yes → Complain
No → Shut

Did you actively endorse, advertise and support the project?
Yes → Complain
No → Shut

Did you offer help, counsel or craft but the developer turned you down and Abandoned the project?
Yes → Complain
No → Shut

Is the reason you're mad because someone is earning more than you are, even though that's more of his support's choice?
Yes → Shut
No → Are you sure it's not?

Is the reason you're mad because you can't tug your wiener at plastic Daz3D dolls?
Yes → Shut
No → Are you sure it's not?

 

[Deleted member 2954284]

How unfortunate, I like his work very much so. Feels like a case of biting more than you can chew. Wish he just kept it simple VN style like in the beginning, changing your game's structure midway through seems like a recipe for future issues. And as some other people have mentioned here already, trying to appeal to an extensive array of fetishes with all these different paths can be quite complex and taxing for a single dev.

Wouldn't mind if he started something new from scratch, I'm sure he's learned a lot with the experience of LaS' development and should be more capable of avoiding the things that he now knows can make him hit a wall.

 

[John972]

you're upset you didn't get to see a plastic 3D virtual doll created by the developer being posed in sexual positions that simulate her having intercourse with a male 3D doll which you use as a self-insert.

Yeah, that may explain some people, but I think you are over-simplifying things in this case. Veq's game is different - it's not a rolling f**kfest, but a game with an intriguing premise and story, and a little spice thrown in (remembering it has little sexual content to date). From reading many comments in this thread over the years, a lot of players invested in the story. Yeah, a lot of people are disappointed with the current game status and some are vindictively angry (a term that describes a percentage of people on the internet these days).

One last observation - as a Dev you're only as good as your last update, unfortunately, and the fan base on this forum is fickle. I noticed many forum members gushing praise and (sometimes) god-like worship to Vequil and ICSTOR when their updates were regular. Fast forward a couple of years and the praise is replaced by vitriol...

 

[House Of Black]

He’ll be back once the well dries up