VN Ren'Py A Couple's Duet of Love & Lust [v0.13.8] [King B]

[Big Rooster]

Ethan's different routes will be crucial. If he doesn't get or take the job, Riya will not be in the story in the story at all, especially if he skips the interview and follows Nat and Darrel to their gym "date".
And also if he flirts or keeps it professional will alter their encounters too.
I want to see Riya hook up with Nat for a threesome with Ethan, in the route Ethan still has some self-respect left and isn't a dick to Nat.

 

[LegioEquestris10]

Is there a walkthrough a little easier to interpret lol?

 

[matthww]

Love this game but It's become boring. My favourites moments here involves other girls too.

Seducing different womans into the cuckolding lifestyle looks a big goal for every guy who enjoy this kink.

I love to watch Ethan being cucked by nat, this is a revolutionary game. But a human is a human, in the same way that Nat demands attention from other guys, Ethan demands attention from other girls too. Ethan is the central MC, not Nat. The Idea of being neglected in a threesome, as he is while nat fuck other Guy, is hot. But when the game neglected the MC's sexuality, then the game decline. Ethan watch nat and jenna doing a fucking orgy, but he stay with clothes. (?)

The game have other characters who basically don't talk with Ethan anymore. Jenna has a nice femdom scene with him, but only for 1 path. Even the promised talks with Ryia are stopped. I think the game shouldn't priorize Nat's perspective, but Ethan's. The game could be better If ethan was a central figure as he was in the beginning. Now he is turning into a simp, this scares me, the game is going in to the same end of the regular ntr/cuck content. It's becoming boring.

King b
Please, give to us scenes with Riya, Jenna and other girls. I literally would love corrupts innocent womans like ryia looks like. Give to ethan the liberty of flert, talk, watch, enjoy, etc. with every girls in the game as the main goal here.

 

[Big Rooster]

Ethan only maintains some dignity in a couple of routes, in all the others he's a sissy-boy or a total douchebag. While fun to see him suffer, it's not endearing, on those routes.

 

[Nurikabe]

I suppose he is endearing as the weak husband to those who enjoy the cuckold aspect where he is inferior in every way. I often wonder if that entire fetish and story type are only enjoyable for those who somehow demonize the man as being weak and unworthy of having a loving, faithful wife. If the man was portrayed in any realistic manner, one where he has will, spirit, and is a capable lover, would players still enjoy the cuckold path where he is humiliated and the wife is stolen? Must he be a total piece of shit for that storyline to have its effect?

I can only tolerate the story when Ethan has a backbone. When he stands up to Natalie and calls her out for cheating and then kicks her out of the house. Unfortunately, that is not the story that King B is telling here. As of yet, that path has not been given much effort. It does seem to be changing, however. The latest preview suggests that Riya's part of the story may be coming up. Perhaps we will see that Natalie cannot be redeemed. And that happiness for the couple only lies in their breakup.

In that story, maybe Natalie ends up the whore or even the prostitute selling herself online. And Ethan ends up with Riya where he can be truly happy. At least, in my distorted mind, that story makes me feel better about the whole thing. It isn't the happy ending that Natalie and Ethan ever envisioned for themselves. But who could be happy with a husband who is a sissy? Weak, spiteful, and angry. And if Ethan were spirited, strong, and capable, why would Natalie ever venture out from their marriage beyond finding ways for the couple to enjoy sex together?

 

[Big Rooster]

Ethan, having a backbone, and a desire to see his wife having sex with other men or women, while he watches them. And Nat knows that he's secure enough in their relationship. He has to overcome the inherent jealousy that comes with that choice while Nat gets to have a lot of mind-blowing sex, while Ethan satiates his cuckold kink. It's a win - win, and he gets to reclaim her after every encounter.

 

[Nurikabe]

Ethan, having a backbone, and a desire to see his wife having sex with other men or women, while he watches them. And Nat knows that he's secure enough in their relationship. He has to overcome the inherent jealousy that comes with that choice while Nat gets to have a lot of mind-blowing sex, while Ethan satiates his cuckold kink. It's a win - win, and he gets to reclaim her after every encounter.

Yes, there are some key pieces there that have not shown up in the story...yet.

Perhaps King B never intends to show the positive aspect of Ethan being the only love for Natalie and completely capable of satisfying her. That they, as a couple, engage in extramarital sex for the sexual satisfaction of the couple. And after Natalie has crazy sex, that Ethan is present for or permits to happen, he is there to love her and reclaim her and her adoration for him grows.

That is certainly not the story we have seen so far. Pieces are beginning to come into focus. I continue to believe this is a result of the nature of viewing a story as it is being developed and the way it is released with inherent limitations. We do have a scene where Nathan enjoys Nat with Darrel. The scene is more realistic and clearer if the player chooses not to allow Darrel to cum in Nat. But then, you lose several scenes as a result. Again, this calls into question the intended story. It seems focused on the cheating path (or the forced cuckold). It has the most content and fluid story. On that path, Ethan is jealous and unsupportive, obviously. The hotwife path has support from Ethan but he is neglected by Natalie and still humiliated. Or he is involved but this path is limited and poorly developed.

If I were in Ethan's shoes and Natalie acted the way she does, I would take her on the most romantic date to a beautiful make-out point overlooking the city. As we gaze at the moon and lovely city below, I would push her off the cliff and gleefully watch her fall to her death. So, I do not fault Ethan for being jealous or angry. If we were in this together, and Natalie had sex with others for my enjoyment, then the expectations of how she would behave and what we would do before and after would be clear to both of us. And if she strayed too far from those expectations that we had both agreed upon, then I would still be taking her to that overlook! Granted, I am not into cuckold play at all. So, there's that.

Still, I am asking myself, where is the crazy sex she is supposed to be having with her husband after they get done with the other guy? Where's the win-win?

 

[Big Rooster]

Yes, there are some key pieces there that have not shown up in the story...yet.

Perhaps King B never intends to show the positive aspect of Ethan being the only love for Natalie and completely capable of satisfying her. That they, as a couple, engage in extramarital sex for the sexual satisfaction of the couple. And after Natalie has crazy sex, that Ethan is present for or permits to happen, he is there to love her and reclaim her and her adoration for him grows.

That is certainly not the story we have seen so far. Pieces are beginning to come into focus. I continue to believe this is a result of the nature of viewing a story as it is being developed and the way it is released with inherent limitations. We do have a scene where Nathan enjoys Nat with Darrel. The scene is more realistic and clearer if the player chooses not to allow Darrel to cum in Nat. But then, you lose several scenes as a result. Again, this calls into question the intended story. It seems focused on the cheating path (or the forced cuckold). It has the most content and fluid story. On that path, Ethan is jealous and unsupportive, obviously. The hotwife path has support from Ethan but he is neglected by Natalie and still humiliated. Or he is involved but this path is limited and poorly developed.

If I were in Ethan's shoes and Natalie acted the way she does, I would take her on the most romantic date to a beautiful make-out point overlooking the city. As we gaze at the moon and lovely city below, I would push her off the cliff and gleefully watch her fall to her death. So, I do not fault Ethan for being jealous or angry. If we were in this together, and Natalie had sex with others for my enjoyment, then the expectations of how she would behave and what we would do before and after would be clear to both of us. And if she strayed too far from those expectations that we had both agreed upon, then I would still be taking her to that overlook! Granted, I am not into cuckold play at all. So, there's that.

Still, I am asking myself, where is the crazy sex she is supposed to be having with her husband after they get done with the other guy? Where's the win-win?

As far as a win, Ethan gets to nut in his wife's well-used sloppy pussy, so any nut, in her and not on the floor or toilet, is somewhat a win for him.
I feel that their reclaiming sex sessions are anti-climatic at best, so far. If Ethan works on his stamina and fitness, they could improve by leaps and bounds, not only for Nat's satisfaction but in the future updates maybe Riya's too (hopefully). Conversely, if Ethan carries on like a weak sissy, Darrel and all of the other guys will take up that mantle.

 

[Yokanzo]

Yes, there are some key pieces there that have not shown up in the story...yet.

Perhaps King B never intends to show the positive aspect of Ethan being the only love for Natalie and completely capable of satisfying her. That they, as a couple, engage in extramarital sex for the sexual satisfaction of the couple. And after Natalie has crazy sex, that Ethan is present for or permits to happen, he is there to love her and reclaim her and her adoration for him grows.

That is certainly not the story we have seen so far. Pieces are beginning to come into focus. I continue to believe this is a result of the nature of viewing a story as it is being developed and the way it is released with inherent limitations. We do have a scene where Nathan enjoys Nat with Darrel. The scene is more realistic and clearer if the player chooses not to allow Darrel to cum in Nat. But then, you lose several scenes as a result. Again, this calls into question the intended story. It seems focused on the cheating path (or the forced cuckold). It has the most content and fluid story. On that path, Ethan is jealous and unsupportive, obviously. The hotwife path has support from Ethan but he is neglected by Natalie and still humiliated. Or he is involved but this path is limited and poorly developed.

If I were in Ethan's shoes and Natalie acted the way she does, I would take her on the most romantic date to a beautiful make-out point overlooking the city. As we gaze at the moon and lovely city below, I would push her off the cliff and gleefully watch her fall to her death. So, I do not fault Ethan for being jealous or angry. If we were in this together, and Natalie had sex with others for my enjoyment, then the expectations of how she would behave and what we would do before and after would be clear to both of us. And if she strayed too far from those expectations that we had both agreed upon, then I would still be taking her to that overlook! Granted, I am not into cuckold play at all. So, there's that.

Still, I am asking myself, where is the crazy sex she is supposed to be having with her husband after they get done with the other guy? Where's the win-win?

For a lot of people the "win-win" is the extreme cuckolding we already got.

But the story is a work in progress and there are more moderate routes. If you avoid eating creampies, tell her you love her, hold her hand during sex instead of guiding darrel's cock into her, and pace yourself during the hotel scene you'll have a chance to do more 3some/wifesharing style stuff.

 

[NewTricks]

Reclaiming isn't a cuckolding thing really. It is kind of an offshoot called stag/vixen play where the point is to let the hotwife get fucked by somebody else and when she is all sore and tender from getting completely back-broke by Chad Thundercock then Hubby tags in and finishes her off, reaffirming their relationship and seizing back control to show that it only happened because he allowed it. It is something really enjoyed by swingers more than cuck couples and both the partners get something out of it.

 

[matthww]

Ethan only maintains some dignity in a couple of routes, in all the others he's a sissy-boy or a total douchebag. While fun to see him suffer, it's not endearing, on those routes.

But recent updates are neglecting these paths. Nat looks the main character. Ethan doesn't touch Jenna in the group scene, this was crime. He should to take the clothes off and enjoy like Sam did.

 

[matthww]

Reclaiming isn't a cuckolding thing really. It is kind of an offshoot called stag/vixen play where the point is to let the hotwife get fucked by somebody else and when she is all sore and tender from getting completely back-broke by Chad Thundercock then Hubby tags in and finishes her off, reaffirming their relationship and seizing back control to show that it only happened because he allowed it. It is something really enjoyed by swingers more than cuck couples and both the partners get something out of it.

But stag~Vixen is not kind of cuckold relationship? We have an entire path where Ethan needs to convince Natalia to fuck other guys. It's literally a stag~vixen thing.

Do you like to know that your girl is fucked by other guy better than you can do? So, you are a cuck (or not).

Doesn't matter if you're watching or not, If you reclaiming in the end or not, If you sharing (willing cuckold) or if she guides you to accepts the lifestyle (like jenna). These answers only talk about how the couple enjoy cuckolding, but are not the answer to the question: is this guy a cuckold?

 

[matthww]

Yes, there are some key pieces there that have not shown up in the story...yet.

Perhaps King B never intends to show the positive aspect of Ethan being the only love for Natalie and completely capable of satisfying her. That they, as a couple, engage in extramarital sex for the sexual satisfaction of the couple. And after Natalie has crazy sex, that Ethan is present for or permits to happen, he is there to love her and reclaim her and her adoration for him grows.

That is certainly not the story we have seen so far. Pieces are beginning to come into focus. I continue to believe this is a result of the nature of viewing a story as it is being developed and the way it is released with inherent limitations. We do have a scene where Nathan enjoys Nat with Darrel. The scene is more realistic and clearer if the player chooses not to allow Darrel to cum in Nat. But then, you lose several scenes as a result. Again, this calls into question the intended story. It seems focused on the cheating path (or the forced cuckold). It has the most content and fluid story. On that path, Ethan is jealous and unsupportive, obviously. The hotwife path has support from Ethan but he is neglected by Natalie and still humiliated. Or he is involved but this path is limited and poorly developed.

If I were in Ethan's shoes and Natalie acted the way she does, I would take her on the most romantic date to a beautiful make-out point overlooking the city. As we gaze at the moon and lovely city below, I would push her off the cliff and gleefully watch her fall to her death. So, I do not fault Ethan for being jealous or angry. If we were in this together, and Natalie had sex with others for my enjoyment, then the expectations of how she would behave and what we would do before and after would be clear to both of us. And if she strayed too far from those expectations that we had both agreed upon, then I would still be taking her to that overlook! Granted, I am not into cuckold play at all. So, there's that.

Still, I am asking myself, where is the crazy sex she is supposed to be having with her husband after they get done with the other guy? Where's the win-win?

You did a joke in the end, but this comment is based.

I like a bit of humiliation but It's happening in the wrong way. Regular cuck demands humiliation when he have a substitute and can broke his relationship to start a new relationship with other woman who could supply his demmands. Why do you accept being humiliated if you aren't in the control? It would hurt and literally fuck the guy, literally a game over for him.

This is why king b should to priorize Ethan relationship with Ryia: Nat is getting off control in the main route. But not only, I'm missing funny to ethan.

 

[packard1928]

But recent updates are neglecting these paths. Nat looks the main character. Ethan don't touch Jenna in the group scene, this was crime. He should to take the clothes off and enjoy like Sam did.

yea he should have.. but he said to go ... it was Her night.

 

[ozomozyan]

Here it's

 

[Nurikabe]

But recent updates are neglecting these paths. Nat looks the main character. Ethan don't touch Jenna in the group scene, this was crime. He should to take the clothes off and enjoy like Sam did.

Yep, this was an interesting scene. It could be added onto in the future still. But as it stands, I wondered if maybe the reason Ethan did not get involved is because he doesn't want anyone but his wife (on the faithful path). It is fine to let her play in the group but he just wants to see her have sex with others and have sex with her himself.

I like the scene where they stay together on the couch and the guy comes up behind her. That was sexy and fun. Although had the guy not come up behind her, it would've been boring. This is a really good way to get started in the lifestyle. Dip your toes in by making out with your partner publicly at the party.

 

[ScrewMe]

But recent updates are neglecting these paths. Nat looks the main character. Ethan don't touch Jenna in the group scene, this was crime. He should to take the clothes off and enjoy like Sam did.

And that is one of the problems I have with latest updates aswell.
In the beginning, the game seemed to center in both characters and their actions. On each Nat's move there was Ethan move. Lately, in most cases, it's mostly Nat(I get it, FemProtag games seem to get their shine for last year or so, and a huge chunk of fanbase in here is for paths where Natalia cheats etc).
One of the things that attracted me towards this game in a first place, was the fact that you get to control both chars and cause effect on their dynamic between themselves, their neighbours, coworkers etc.

Let's just say that for me the journey towards cheating on one/both sides or staying faithful is way more interesting than "oh, let's see how the bull fucks her while her pathetic husband watches it".

 

[Big Rooster]

Let's just say that for me the journey towards cheating on one/both sides or staying faithful is way more interesting than "oh, let's see how the bull fucks her while her pathetic husband watches it".

I tend to believe that King B is a much better writer than all that. It will take some time to fill out the alternative routes to their conclusion or at least to catch up with the current progress (the Peter fans could rejoice!). Suspect he has already written or outlined much of the story and is mainly working on the Renpy coding and rendering of the artwork.

 

[NewTricks]

But stag~Vixen is not kind of cuckold relationship? We have an entire path where Ethan needs to convince Natalia to fuck other guys. It's literally a stag~vixen thing.

Do you like to know that your girl is fucked by other guy better than you can do? So, you are a cuck (or not).

Doesn't matter if you're watching or not, If you reclaiming in the end or not, If you sharing (willing cuckold) or if she guides you to accepts the lifestyle (like jenna). These answers only talk about how the couple enjoy cuckolding, but are not the answer to the question: is this guy a cuckold?

I suppose that I will have to put it like this: cuckolding and stag/vixen play are sister fetishes, but only half sisters with the same mother and different fathers. The woman involved may have the same motivation (get stuffed with a lotta dick to improve her relationship with her husband), but the motivation of the husband is very different. The cuckold has a fetish where he wants to be bested and humiliated (as explained at one point in the game) because he finds this arousing. They want their wife to prefer the other guy, or at least pretend to. Kind of like BDSM this is normally only enjoyed by men who are powerful and formidable in their personal life because that's just kind of how people are wired. The stag/vixen swinger is motivated not by his own arousal as a result of humiliation, but rather by comperson. In other words, they are able to enjoy their woman's sexual pleasure vicariously. It is her pleasure that they find arousing, and the other guy may be pretty irrelevant as far as they are concerned. They may not experience jealousy or humiliation at all. That's why they don't hesitate to dive in and get their sloppy seconds because they were raring to go the whole time. These are imperfect explanations but it does kind of explain how the way the various Cuckolding routes are unfolding doesn't always ring everybody's bell because you can slip back and forth between these distinct fetishes pretty easily.

 

[Nurikabe]

I suppose that I will have to put it like this: cuckolding and stag/vixen play are sister fetishes, but only half sisters with the same mother and different fathers. The woman involved may have the same motivation (get stuffed with a lotta dick to improve her relationship with her husband), but the motivation of the husband is very different. The cuckold has a fetish where he wants to be bested and humiliated (as explained at one point in the game) because he finds this arousing. They want their wife to prefer the other guy, or at least pretend to. Kind of like BDSM this is normally only enjoyed by men who are powerful and formidable in their personal life because that's just kind of how people are wired. The stag/vixen swinger is motivated not by his own arousal as a result of humiliation, but rather by comperson. In other words, they are able to enjoy their woman's sexual pleasure vicariously. It is her pleasure that they find arousing, and the other guy may be pretty irrelevant as far as they are concerned. They may not experience jealousy or humiliation at all. That's why they don't hesitate to dive in and get their sloppy seconds because they were raring to go the whole time. These are imperfect explanations but it does kind of explain how the way the various Cuckolding routes are unfolding doesn't always ring everybody's bell because you can slip back and forth between these distinct fetishes pretty easily.

How does the woman's enjoyment change and factor into that?

I see how the partner's gratification drives what we call a fetish. It is all very confusing to an outsider. It does get difficult to describe and explain in part because we are trying to label complex human behaviors and feelings. So, to muddy those waters, let me give some scenarios.

If she sleeps with black men but does so for him, not because she gains any sexual satisfaction out of the race play.
She sleeps with others and gains no sexual satisfaction other than she is pleasing her partner.

What do we call the fetish in those cases?