VN Ren'Py Abandoned A.O.A. Academy [Ch.5 Gold] [TLGGAMES]

[El Tanque]

Your criticism could have been made in a more diplomatic manner though. Do you really expect the developer to respond to you or for the fans not to defend the game? As you are a game developer how would you have responded to your first post if it had been criticizing the art in your game thread? Instead you used a rather insulting way of expressing dissatisfaction with the character renders. Considering this is TLG's first game I think he's done a great job and can learn from it and improve as he continues.

All the developers here have been bombed, I was not the exception I have had a lot of flak and it is also my first game, in my commentary there is a joke at the beginning, but everything else is serious, do not be babysitting the dev.
It's a criticism, if you see it as an attack it's your problem.

 

[Maviarab]

All the developers here have been bombed, I was not the exception I have had a lot of flak and it is also my first game, in my commentary there is a joke at the beginning, but everything else is serious, do not be babysitting the dev.
It's a criticism, if you see it as an attack it's your problem.

While I agree the high res textures aren't that great depending on render settings....

You're saying all this shit *takes a look at your game images* with any semblence of seriousness? Really?

 

[MrFriendly]

All the developers here have been bombed, I was not the exception I have had a lot of flak and it is also my first game, in my commentary there is a joke at the beginning, but everything else is serious, do not be babysitting the dev.
It's a criticism, if you see it as an attack it's your problem.

It is disappointing that developers on F95 feel the need to tear each other down instead of supporting each other. It doesn't take much effort to modulate your tone and deliver the same message in a more constructive and helpful manner. You are not the first developer I've seen wander into someone else's game thread and rip the developer a new one. I am not "babysitting" anyone, I like this game but I recognize there are issues with it, that doesn't mean I should ignore when someone is being an inconsiderate asshole. Perhaps you should think about how you would have liked to receive constructive criticism regarding your game and deliver your message in that manner? At this point everything from the date issues to the story to the renders in this game has been criticized, you are not offering anything new with your critique besides a poor attitude.

 

[El Tanque]

While I agree the high res textures aren't that great depending on render settings....

You're saying all this shit *takes a look at your game images* with any semblence of seriousness? Really?

Well you can compare vector images and 3d renderings, and find a countless number of differences, you don't have to be a genius to notice them, they are two totally different things. I'm not looking for hyperrealism with my drawings, this developer does.
But again, my intention was never to attack the developer, as I said before I wanted to give a touch of humor to the beginning, but it is a valid criticism, I apologize, if my tone was too harsh.

 

[El Tanque]

It is disappointing that developers on F95 feel the need to tear each other down instead of supporting each other. It doesn't take much effort to modulate your tone and deliver the same message in a more constructive and helpful manner. You are not the first developer I've seen wander into someone else's game thread and rip the developer a new one. I am not "babysitting" anyone, I like this game but I recognize there are issues with it, that doesn't mean I should ignore when someone is being an inconsiderate asshole. Perhaps you should think about how you would have liked to receive constructive criticism regarding your game and deliver your message in that manner? At this point everything from the date issues to the story to the renders in this game has been criticized, you are not offering anything new with your critique besides a poor attitude.

Well I am able to recognize when I have made a mistake, I am not an asshole as you say.
It is thanks to the criticism I have had, that I have improved my game in many facets, if my tone was hard, for that reason I apologize, but my criticism is true, and I am sure that we will continue seeing exaggerated textures in this and many other games, it seems to be the fashion.

 

[MrFriendly]

Well I am able to recognize when I have made a mistake, I am not an asshole as you say.
It is thanks to the criticism I have had, that I have improved my game in many facets, if my tone was hard, for that reason I apologize, but my criticism is true, and I am sure that we will continue seeing exaggerated textures in this and many other games, it seems to be the fashion.

Bah, being an asshole is fine. I'm an asshole, all the time, it's not the worst thing in the world. Just have to curb it every once in awhile when interacting with the "real people" on the internet (I've been told people aren't the imaginary unicorns that I thought they were).

Your criticism is valid, it was the way it was delivered that I disputed. I agree that the exaggerated textures are a problem and TLG is one of many who will need to figure out how to deal with it.

 

[akikospam74]

I don't think he was impolite in his criticism at all, let alone an asshole.

He made a clear joke about lizard people, and then he said devs are abusing hyper realistic textures and that they should be careful about that. How is that not "diplomatic"?

I also don't like when people are assholes for nothing, but I don't think this was it. He gave a valid opinion about the art, expanded and explained his thoughts, gave examples and even a suggestion to make it better. It's not liek he said "ur game sucks lul"

I get that it's much nicer to receive compliments than criticism, but if TLG is a professional I'm sure he's not gonna take this personally and he's gonna work to correct those things.

 

[toolkitxx]

It is actually very simple: By getting a dev tag you should reconsider posting any praise/criticism at all in a thread. Yes - we are also users/players at the same time but the majority will see the 'sticking out' dev tag and whatever info is provided will be consumed in a different way than the same info posted by any other regular user.

There are also 2 simple and polite ways to avoid this 'misunderstanding from the get go:
1. Address criticism via private convo
2. Use a second account if you intend to post as a user/player

 

[El Tanque]

It is actually very simple: By getting a dev tag you should reconsider posting any praise/criticism at all in a thread. Yes - we are also users/players at the same time but the majority will see the 'sticking out' dev tag and whatever info is provided will be consumed in a different way than the same info posted by any other regular user.

There are also 2 simple and polite ways to avoid this 'misunderstanding from the get go:
1. Address criticism via private convo
2. Use a second account if you intend to post as a user/player

If you want you can delete the comments, I will not make any more criticisms.

 

[Ragnar]

If you want you can delete the comments, I will not make any more criticisms.

You don't have to delete anything, you were right, some skins patches look like lizard people skin.
Constructive criticism must be welcome here, no matter if you're a dev or a simple user.

 

[akikospam74]

It is actually very simple: By getting a dev tag you should reconsider posting any praise/criticism at all in a thread. Yes - we are also users/players at the same time but the majority will see the 'sticking out' dev tag and whatever info is provided will be consumed in a different way than the same info posted by any other regular user.

There are also 2 simple and polite ways to avoid this 'misunderstanding from the get go:
1. Address criticism via private convo
2. Use a second account if you intend to post as a user/player

This doesn't make any sense to me. Why should he hide the fact that he's a dev to make a constructive criticism?

If anything, this just makes his opinion worth more due to the fact that he actually knows what he's talking about in terms of game development

Why are we assuming that TLG is a snowflake who can't take a valid criticism? What if he simply replies something like "Hey, thanks for the advice, I'll try to improve that"?

I honestly don't understand why this is such a big deal

 

[Maviarab]

This doesn't make any sense to me. Why should he hide the fact that he's a dev to make a constructive criticism?

If anything, this just makes his opinion worth more due to the fact that he actually knows what he's talking about in terms of game development

Why are we assuming that TLG is a snowflake who can't take a valid criticism? What if he simply replies something like "Hey, thanks for the advice, I'll try to improve that"?

I honestly don't understand why this is such a big deal

But does he know what he's talking about? He makes a game in 2D for a start...

But what tool actually meant was, as a dev himself, he should have better judgement and direct any criticism in private. A dev going to another devs thread and spouting off is really bad form and reflects more on the dev commenting a whole lot more than it does the dev who's game it is. Have some class.

 

[Ahchi]

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[Loveless07]

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Very Beautiful

 

[RoadWulf]

It is actually very simple: By getting a dev tag you should reconsider posting any praise/criticism at all in a thread. Yes - we are also users/players at the same time but the majority will see the 'sticking out' dev tag and whatever info is provided will be consumed in a different way than the same info posted by any other regular user.

There are also 2 simple and polite ways to avoid this 'misunderstanding from the get go:
1. Address criticism via private convo
2. Use a second account if you intend to post as a user/player

Well that's just dumb. If anyone is going to tell you something constructive it should be a peer. When my game comes out or if someone had something to say to me for the scenes I write for Kthulian, I'd want to hear about it in the place where people can discuss it (defend or agree). Also, I looked at the pictures he posted and my god... the guy looks like he has burn scars on his neck, the girl's boobs look like you can see where the surgery for her fake tits were done and the doctor botched the job.

Her ass looks like the texture of an orange. There is a difference between realistic looking skin and pores and making everyone look like they were run over a cheese grater and this is what it looks like after the scar tissue has formed. Now all that said, the Dev's work is stellar, and this game is one of the ones I am a big fan of and look forward to seeing the next update of. But El Tanque's opinion is not unfounded, the texturing of the skin needs work, or some post process work needs to be done to the renders after the fact to cover up such blemishes caused by the Skin Texture being used.

Anyone who looks at those pictures and sees nothing wrong needs to take a real close look at human skin in the real world again, because you've clearly not been outside in a while due to the lockdowns.

Someone said something to the point of it looking like she had goosebumps on her breasts. Please, find me a real world pic of that, that looks anywhere close to what it shows in that image. Please.

 

[Gh0st_Harambe]

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[Cooling Prob]

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So sexy but also there is a kind and friendly look to her.

 

[toolkitxx]

Well that's just dumb. If anyone is going to tell you something constructive it should be a peer. When my game comes out or if someone had something to say to me for the scenes I write for Kthulian, I'd want to hear about it in the place where people can discuss it (defend or agree). Also, I looked at the pictures he posted and my god... the guy looks like he has burn scars on his neck, the girl's boobs look like you can see where the surgery for her fake tits were done and the doctor botched the job.
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It is not about being right or wrong, neither about being qualified or not to make any such criticism.

It is about style and adult behaviour. Posting criticism in other devs threads quickly crosses the line of guerilla marketing ones own product - simply bad style.

Any user claiming to make a game can receive a 'dev' tag - so the tag is no real identifier for the persons qualifications in any given matter. As this is not necessarily known knowledge for every user posting as a dev comes with some extra care.

 

[RoadWulf]

It is not about being right or wrong, neither about being qualified or not to make any such criticism.

It is about style and adult behaviour. Posting criticism in other devs threads quickly crosses the line of guerilla marketing ones own product - simply bad style.

Any user claiming to make a game can receive a 'dev' tag - so the tag is no real identifier for the persons qualifications in any given matter. As this is not necessarily known knowledge for every user posting as a dev comes with some extra care.

Constructive criticism should always be welcome. Anyone who posts things that are needlessly aggressive and negative without any advice for change or opinions for improvement, are generally regarded as assholes and most people wouldn't pay their game the time of day.

I see no reason why it should be hidden from public view if the intentions are good.

 

[Maviarab]

Constructive criticism should always be welcome. Anyone who posts things that are needlessly aggressive and negative without any advice for change or opinions for improvement, are generally regarded as assholes and most people wouldn't pay their game the time of day.

I see no reason why it should be hidden from public view if the intentions are good.

Because as I've said previously...about having a little class and respect as another dev.