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I disagree.
In my experience, there are women who are very sensitive to being seen and much less to being touched, or touching her partner. There are also women who do anal sex first, then vaginal and never get to oral. Maybe most women are not like that but they definately exist.
To me, such hang-ups being present in this game is great. It greatly increases the character depth as well as integrates her sexuality into her general character.
As a side effect, it makes the standard "stairway to heaven" (kissing => french kissing => handjob => (footjob) => blowjob => (boobjob) => vaginal => anal etc.) much less predictable.
What I also love about this game is that there is a certain spontaneousness in the sex scenes. There are some things which are kind of spur-of-the-moment decisions, which also feels very true to life.
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Does this mean part 3 will be Dark Side of The Moon? Followed by part 4, where he reconciles with his wife, Every Rose Has It's Thorn?
BTW, even though incest is not my kink, your writing is so good that I look right past that part of your stories. I also like that you treat serious issues with the gravity they deserve, re Avalon's trauma. Too many of these games treat non-con like it is something trivial or even that the victims start to enjoy it, which kinda pisses me off. I know real victims and the way you handled Avalon was so much closer to how an actual victim feels.
Love this one so far, maybe my favorite exchange is the one that included the dialogue below...
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The passivity of the MC really rubs me the wrong way in both this and in Avalon. I think the dev is doing this because it might be less creepy if the girl is the one initiating all of the sexual interactions considering the incest aspects but it kind of feels like the MC is the LI without agency, stuff just happens to him and he has no say in the matter. You don't need to have stupid sleep sex or the Dating my daughter levels of grooming but the MC needs to have concrete desires and actively work towards achieving them. When i say concrete desires im not even talking about anything sexual, it just seams like the protagonist is aimless and is not actively pursing any goal in his life, its frustrating.
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A story about only 2 people where you choose not to act/interact would not be a story
As long as there are choices it is agency, and the choice of whether to pursue lewd action is done by choosing to play the 2 person story
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Also from the MC POV they have a choice to flat out halt any lewd thoughts or progression with their daughter, but they don't take that choice and it is not offered to us (the hand of God) to over-rule them so that may make you think they have no choice but they do. They just chose the path that leads to the story we (the omniscient God) are watching.
Days and days of they watch TV and make food but no one gets naughty doesn't make for any kind of story
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I think it's more a mismatch in the male socio-sexual hierarchy and personality of the creator/MC vs audience. A lot of this rubbed me the wrong way as well. A failed clown-dad who makes jokes (instead of being a solid man who can also have levity), who shits on himself and fumbles the situation all the time and is passive-sexual then doubtful, then nerd-teen-hopped up on lust once away. It's weak but predictable.
Ex: He picks his nose and theatens to wipe a booger on his daughter in response to her being mildly flirtatious.
It's a juvenile gamma fantasy of a loser (failed career, failed husband, partly-failed father, unsure of himself, passive, self-admittedly bad with girls, saccharin white knight, self-admitted coward, part-victim, etc..) getting what he desires without owning his actions, taking control or winning by *cough* traditional masculine merit. His daughter has to soft-aggressively drive the intimacy along while he sits in the 'plausible deniability'/'not my idea'/'lets impose sexual limits then it's OK' passenger seat.
That said, I like many parts of it (and Avalon), I guess I'm just not gamma enough to enjoy the MC as portrayed. It goes against every grain in my being, but I have to recognize there are types that this appeals to. Many flavors for all the varied folks.
It's good enough that I haven't walked away yet (though I do internally cringe every scene or two).
Edit: I should add that I'm not here to shit on the creator and his MC so much as explain the mismatch with some of us sturdier types. The character development and visuals are well done. The emphasis on eyes is also subtly alluring in a way often missed in this genre.
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I mean - we are all entitled to opinions. I will just say that as a parent of a pair of young adults, it is hard to see them as young adults. Kids want to grow up as fast as they can, and parents want them to stay kids as long as they can. It is a perception issue. Petal is 18 which means that the MC thinks she is 12 so this sex stuff is like out of the realm of his expectations of her. Petal thinks she is 24, and old and mature with lots of relationships and can conquer anything.
The truth lies somewhere in between.
The booger joke would fly with a 12 year old. The MC being uneasy with sex and thinking of Petal that way also is in line with thinking she is 12. Petal thinking she is ready then getting overwhelmed and stopping, perfectly inline with an 18 year old thinking they are 24. All this is inline with expected thought/conversations I would have with my kids at 18, if this were to play out this way (which didn't with my daughter thank god, and my son, well not my type).
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She's 18+ moving on!How can a girl be so adorable and sexy at the same time?!!!
On a second note, how old do you think she is? I think she is 15 or 16 at most.
(I won't get on an FBI watch list for romancing 15 yr old CGI girls, would I?)
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Although I kind of understand your reasoning, I share the same opinion as mordred93
Perhaps the game does put a bit too much focus on the MC's failures (his career failing is the pretext for the story), but I don't see it influencing the interaction with Petal too much.
I think the main problem with father-daughter stories is how to initiate the sex without the MC coming off as a creepy rapist. By definition, the power gap is immense. The father will always have the upper hand, both physically and emotionally. Therefore the daugther must initiate it and set the pace.
To me this is not weakness but rather respect.
Another aspect is that love for the daughter, and the desire for her to have a happy future, should always take preference over the MC's sexual desires. This, too, requires the daughter to set the pace of their explorations.
All in all, I think this game does a fantastic job.
Very nice update. Good idea to have put additional choices in the previous chapters. Petal is still so determined to convince her father to move on in their new relationship and I very much appreciate that she too has insecurities that she will have to overcome. As for mentioning her age or "dad" in the lewds acts, that didn't bother me at all. I even found the shower scene particularly hot.
PS: Great reworking of the texts in the pool of chapter 1
PS: Great reworking of the texts in the pool of chapter 1
I just started playing with this release. For the record I really enjoyed playing Avalon. I found the first two chapters tedious to play. For the most part, the dialog was silted and cumbersome. A couple cute or entertaining lines in 45 minutes of reading doesn't cut it. Usually I read very quickly and burn through content, but it took me three sessions to get to the end of chapter 2. However, in chapter 3 things started to move and the tedium was, for the most part, relieved. Glad to see that because past games demonstrated that the dev is more than capable of both telling a story with the writing skills to back it up. Petal is cute as hell BTW, which helped keep my interest.
Looking forward to the next update. Thanks very much for your hard work.
Looking forward to the next update. Thanks very much for your hard work.
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So I just completed Episode 3 and I have to agree that the constant referencing of Petal's age and the relationship was noticed and felt cumbersome.
Overall this felt largely like a filler episode to me. The development with Petal and her encouragement over Bliss was unexpected, but otherwise this didn't feel like much was advanced. Episode 2 felt like it had a lot more progress in their relationship. But that's ok, not all episode can move at the same pace; but when you're playing the game in real-time it's just a bit disappointing.
More troubling is the continued subplot with the Uncle. I really don't know what to make of it, but it takes me right out of the game. Stories of sexual abuse and victims are pretty difficult to tell well, and putting them into a porn game is...brave. The dinner scene is this episode's primary opportunity to advance the plot, but I can't say I enjoyed the scene at all. And that's a problem when the episode is so short, and the scene is so important. My main thought through the scene was that this must be the worst dinner party ever. The scene just kills the momentum of the episode, and I didn't think the lingerie scene afterwards was enough to recover. Maybe it would have helped if we saw more of the conversation after dinner. Either way, as it stands right now that is not a scene I would ever want to read through again.
Overall this felt largely like a filler episode to me. The development with Petal and her encouragement over Bliss was unexpected, but otherwise this didn't feel like much was advanced. Episode 2 felt like it had a lot more progress in their relationship. But that's ok, not all episode can move at the same pace; but when you're playing the game in real-time it's just a bit disappointing.
More troubling is the continued subplot with the Uncle. I really don't know what to make of it, but it takes me right out of the game. Stories of sexual abuse and victims are pretty difficult to tell well, and putting them into a porn game is...brave. The dinner scene is this episode's primary opportunity to advance the plot, but I can't say I enjoyed the scene at all. And that's a problem when the episode is so short, and the scene is so important. My main thought through the scene was that this must be the worst dinner party ever. The scene just kills the momentum of the episode, and I didn't think the lingerie scene afterwards was enough to recover. Maybe it would have helped if we saw more of the conversation after dinner. Either way, as it stands right now that is not a scene I would ever want to read through again.
I am done with chapter 2 and a bit into chapter 3. I liked it so far a lot. The teasing is perfect and tension is perfect. For my taste the inner monologue of MC could be toned done a bit. By now I know he has doubts and wants what is best for Petal.
The appearance of Yoga and cloth shopping is getting old. Those tropes should have their own tags. Are there not other pastimes an author could imagine how two adults can interact?
I truly look forward to more content.
The appearance of Yoga and cloth shopping is getting old. Those tropes should have their own tags. Are there not other pastimes an author could imagine how two adults can interact?
I truly look forward to more content.
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Overall great update.
What I always find odd in daddy/daughter VN is how the father's will often still be hesitant about having sex with their daughters even after the daughter starts giving them bjs.
Okay I'll let you suck my wang but we can't do actual intercourse, because that's just wrong. Seriously she's sucking your wedding tackle and swallowing her potential siblings.
Cause unless you're Bill Clinton that's pretty much sex.
What I always find odd in daddy/daughter VN is how the father's will often still be hesitant about having sex with their daughters even after the daughter starts giving them bjs.
Okay I'll let you suck my wang but we can't do actual intercourse, because that's just wrong. Seriously she's sucking your wedding tackle and swallowing her potential siblings.
Cause unless you're Bill Clinton that's pretty much sex.
Huh, I didn't know I had a puppy play fetish until now.
I'm impressed with the story and character development, and the obvious thought and detail that has gone into renders. APAT is an extremely interesting exploration of tease and taboo, with some (appropriate) social commentary thrown in. I discovered APAT in Ch.2 and haven't been disappointed with Ch.3. I'm looking forward to the remaining chapter(s) and admit I'm intrigued by the tease for A Moment of Bliss. Awesome work by all the creators, keep it up (no pun intended).
I'm happy for anyone who finds happiness in another (the only caveat being that it must be consensual for all parties involved).
I'm happy for anyone who finds happiness in another (the only caveat being that it must be consensual for all parties involved).
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Myrabelle OK so I completed my replay from the beginning and as someone who enjoys the age being mentioned I will say it was good for me. But I also think if you took a scene where is it mentioned more than once and replaced second or third the "XX year old ...(whatever)" with "sexy, young ...(whatever)" I would not lose enjoyment and maybe it would be less conspicuous to those who don't relish as I do.
Just my thoughts as one who enjoys that.
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Just my thoughts as one who enjoys that.
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