can someone give me save data? because i want to see how they get in that scene. The replay just show scene but not how they get into that scene because i want to see from starting to that scene. PLEASE
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So I did all this, and for some reason the game won't even load up. No error message or anything, it just refuses to start. did I miss something?
You may need to start the game from here, click on the very first file. "APromiseBestLeftUnkept."
Let me know if that works.
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This thread has always been a travesty. If it wasn't such a mess of shit it wouldn't be nearly as entertaining.
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So. Finally played this. For one run, Harry's perspective.
And. I gotta ask. Was his biggest trauma really the fact that his childhood friend was fucked stupid under his nose by his bully? He actually puked all over himself? Is that a thing that can actually happen? The revelation felt... weird. Like... My suspension of disbelief wants to refuse to believe that people like that could exist. It's weird.
That said, man, are all the people in this thing fucked up in some way or another. That includes Aya, no matter how hilarious she is. Well, gotta play it a few more times to see some other endings and stuff and see what's what.
Also, funny how I landed on the debatably good ending on my first run.... even if I kind of question if it's that good...
As always though, the Facepalm is strong with the NTR genre. Seriously strong. Guess I pitty Harry a bit, but I don't feel much sympathy for him.
And. I gotta ask. Was his biggest trauma really the fact that his childhood friend was fucked stupid under his nose by his bully? He actually puked all over himself? Is that a thing that can actually happen? The revelation felt... weird. Like... My suspension of disbelief wants to refuse to believe that people like that could exist. It's weird.
That said, man, are all the people in this thing fucked up in some way or another. That includes Aya, no matter how hilarious she is. Well, gotta play it a few more times to see some other endings and stuff and see what's what.
Also, funny how I landed on the debatably good ending on my first run.... even if I kind of question if it's that good...
As always though, the Facepalm is strong with the NTR genre. Seriously strong. Guess I pitty Harry a bit, but I don't feel much sympathy for him.
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At that moment in time, yes, and puking over yourself is entirely possible. Two possible ways to mend trauma is time and building connections with others you can trust. Having a partner/wife is one of the deepest bonds you can make and the sense of betrayal once you find out your trust has been betrayed, especially when it was with the one who bullied you all your life, can act as a stimuli for past trauma activating the negative feelings you had accumulated over those years. Stories of people feel sick when they find out they've been cheated on are common and considering this man was bullied, puking is a possible stress response. These reactions are not things that can be controlled. No one wants to act the way they do, but your brain doesn't care. An easy way to understand this is looking at post traumatic stress disorder or PTSD. Give it the correct stimuli and it invokes an appropriate response to deal with the stress.
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Nah, I can believe that you can have a stress response that's that extreme. I've heard, and even seen, worse. I also know that even relatively mild stress can cause stomach disorders and cause people to end up losing their lunches regularly and so on. Hell. I knew someone once who pretty much developed a real stomach problem because of stress and needed to be hospitalized for a month. He was eating right and everything you'd expect for someone to be healthy.... except he overworked himself way too much and kept taking other people's problems on his head until it all got too much.
What I find had to believe is that you can have such an extreme stress response like Harry did back during his high-school years when Luca originally paraded Maya getting fucked in front of his window. Like, sure, she was the girl that he sort of had a crush on and stuff, but I dunno. It feels hard to believe when they weren't dating or anything of the sort.
By that same token, I'm asocial, and have been for a long, long time now. So deep connections with other people is not something I'm capable of experiencing. I never have and most likely never will. Which means I can't really even imagine what someone might feel in Harry's situation at the time. Never had a persistent bullying problem either, especially not in high-school, as by that point I was smart enough to know how to avoid that sort of problem. Well, that and we didn't have mafia kids running around being able to do whatever they want where I live... In general, bullying was never as big of a problem here as it is in the US if even 10% of the stories I hear about stuff from there is real...
ANYway...
I still can't say I have much respect for any of these characters. They all have issues and they all don't really deal with them properly... Now, I can't really blame anyone for not properly dealing with their issues, but I can definitely look down on them for making their issues into other people's problems. And yes, that includes Aya who so many people in this thread seem to love... While she's funny, so far, it seems like she's the biggest monster in this whole VN.
maya wasn't just his crush, she was his childhood friend and apperantly his only friend.
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I understood that, but it's still weird for me. As I said though, asocial, so maybe I just can't get it on an emotional level, which is what's relevant here as this has nothing to do with reason.
That and I tend to react to serious problems with anger rather than passiveness, so I simply can't identify with Harry at all.
I think that your context and experiences may have to do with your inability to connect with Harry's pain in this particular scenario. As they've said before traumatic events can trigger responds such as puking etc. and even if this scenario may be a little bit of a stretch it's quite plausible.
So, it is deeply related to the nature and importance of the bond with Maya, she's not only the person he loves, with in itself its a strengthening condition of the bond, but also his childhood and best friend. This person has been in Harry's life for the majority of it, he has been able to build trust and faith in her which has it's foundation in continued reinforcement over time and experience. Now, as silly as it may be for us (because from little interactions between the we are shown they are showing red-flags), it's something that's completely out of the realm of possibility for Harry, he cannot imagine Maya (who he puts in a pedestal, and thus, dehumanizing her) doing such a thing, even less with Luca.
And this is the pivotal point, she's not only breaking his heart, she's betraying him by fucking the person who systematically has been making his live a living hell in front of him to taunt him, doing something that she knows is gonna hurt him profoundly but doing it still because she's overridden by lust and pleasure.
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You're right. I definitely can't connect with Harry's pain. Even leaving aside my own nature, it's partly because I halfway agree with Luca on one thing, one statement he made that I agree with, with an addition.
Willful ignorance is a sin. Emphasis mine. It's fine to not know stuff. It's fine if you didn't learn things because you didn't have the opportunity or the time or whatnot... It's not at ALL fine if you keep ignoring the signs right in front of your nose until you're literally forced to face reality.
Because of this, to an extent, I suppose I feel like Harry deserved to lose Maya. He didn't even stop to think for one moment that she might have done something extremely stupid for his sake and then got herself in to deep in the mess to know how to get herself out on her own.
No matter how you look at things, willful ignorance is Harry's biggest flaw, and it's a huge one. It's what ends up destroying his life with Laura... though I honestly think that even without Luca, their relationship was kind of doomed in the long run as both of them failed to properly deal with their own problems and whatnot.
Moving on...
I've read a lot more of the game at this point. Played through all of the Aya endings... and looking through the list of endings... I have to wonder one thing.
How the heck does a NTR VN have more good endings for the cuck than bad ones? XD Going in I expected that the majority of the endings would be absolutely horrible for Harry in pretty much all aspects. Especially if he paid attention to Aya. I didn't expect it to basically go the other way around...
Though I suppose this means that the future Aya DLC/extra-content/whatever is going to be particularly vile when it comes out...
I mean. While that is true, the issue I have having any distaste for Harry on that is due to who is speaking that.
Yeah, williful ignorance is a sin (hence why I heavily think Aya deserves to be slapped in the face, rub the Truth on Harry's face without any fear until he accepts it. What it will break is his delusion, but of course she can't because she does not want a Harry who was cracked by it, ah, she is as deluded as him and Laura), but being unable to see a flaw in your own self, one which you accuse others of is far worse. Luca himself is the greatest example of that. See how he talks about love.
He is wrong, but WILL SO MUCH REFUSE to see it that he will ACTIVELY try to destroy a man's life due to it. He can be blamed of the same sin that Harry has. Harry is willifully ignorant by choice, but he is not a hypocrite. Luca is, massively at that.
He accuses and claims he wants to punish Harry for not seeing the facts, but he himself does not.
Luca is the last one who can call out Harry on that, actually?
He shouldn't even call him out on that. After all he insists love doesn't exist in a lot of evidence of the contrary. Willifully ignorant calling someone else willifully ignorant?
Pot Calling Kettle Black.
That is why I hate Luca. Hypocrites are the worst and deserve nothing but a good scalping and scorching fire.
Also yeah.
Aya route will be vile probably. She was the only thing protecting Harry, mix with her Yandere tendencies...
Unless Harry wakes up like in the Good ending and runs away at the speed of light.
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On the one hand, I definitely agree that Luca can go die in a fire or something... Which makes it all the more amusing that he dies in most endings. However, my reason for the dislike is not hypocrisy. And it's hard to say for sure if he really is a hypocrite on the subject of love... or if he's just been that traumatized by what happened to him when he was 12 of all things. That's on a whoooole other level of fucked up. It's the kind of thing that'd make anyone question if anything they knew before that point is real.
On top of that, the situation with Maya only proved him right, in his mind. Think about it. She supposedly loved Harry, but when hit with a combination of pleasure from Luca and lack of support from Harry... who if we set his own issues to the side, was an awkward teenager with all the issues you can expect at that age... She folded like a house of cards and her love went up in smoke, showing that it wasn't actually worth anything to her.
Of course, she partly did to herself with her own stupidity... Because BOY was she stupid... However, it doesn't change the fact that she gave up in the end, and that's pretty much proof.
Hell, in ALL the routes, there's like, three, where he's genuinely proven wrong... and in one he doesn't really survive the experience, while the other, the Good Route and its Aya variant, was clearly not something that the author wanted to write at all. It shows in how poorly it goes at the end and the abysmal lack of detail with Luca just fucking off into the sunset without us ever knowing anything about why or what he's thinking.
The Aya endings don't really count because, y'know, he doesn't really get to live to regret anything in all but one of them, and there he lives as a meat-dildo to keep Laura busy. From his perspective, given he didn't have time to work on Aya but successfully ruined Laura, he'd definitely think that he was right anyway.
So I dunno, I can understand where he can come from with his point of view, even if I think it's completely stupid.
No, what I really think despicable about him is the fact that he was hurt, and he decided that the best thing to do with his life was to make sure everyone else around him hurt the same way as he did. He hated Harry because Harry could be happy in a way that he never could be. He wanted Harry miserable because he was miserable himself... and he doesn't even really deny it. He's not really happy at any point in the VN, even when he's fucking bitches left, right and center. So the idea that someone so unlike him could exist is unbearable to him.
I suspect that even in the endings where he actually wins, the moment he loses the ability to torment Harry with any of the girls is the moment he drops them like hot potatoes, probably in a ditch after they were used like fuck-toys by the mafia clowns he has under him... Because at the end of the day, they don't make him happy. Nothing does. Likely, nothing ever will.
He's the saddest joke in the whole VN, hilariously enough.
Still.
AAaaaaaaaaaall that is what makes him a pretty good villain, especially for a NTR VN where said villains are often extremely bland. Luca at least actually has more than just a huge cock, a hot bod and punchable mug.
The fact that most people seem to agree that he can go die in a fire, slowly, is definitely proof of that.
'Course, still cheered him on for all the delicious smut he produced. It's why I'm here after all. Alas, poor Harry, your suffering was just a bunch of breaks between hot content for me. XD
As for Aya, well, aside from getting more smut of her, of course, I'm definitely hoping we find out more about her background. All the endings and that one short path tease us brilliantly, while hinting at a lot more going on beyond her being a runaway yakuza princess.
The irony about that is that it was MAYA saying she loved Harry.
That...doesn't mean she ACTUALLY loved him. That is something I like to stress, but I don't think any of those characters EVER loved someone.
They might be attracted or obsessed, but love? I don't think so.
Anyway, that did traumatized Harry, in a sense in which he could become like Luca but he didn't, in a self delusion sense. That...well, let's be honest, just because Harry folded over Mary in williful ignorance is not an excuse to grant Luca a carte blanche on it. Those two were technically traumatized.
Sure, Luca was worse, but using quantification for that is...trite. It miss the point.
Actually? Good Ending has him disgusted with Laura and Harry, down to the end in which he just leaves to get himself shitfaced because 'THAT CAN'T BE POSSIBLE FUCK!'
He is...willifully ignorant like Harry. It is sad and pathetic, he is what he hates. I should feel like he deserved a rest, but...he is shortsighted on his own bullshit that he can't see that he could easily find the love and kill his own beliefs, but alas, it is far more important to prove that you are right than eating your pride.
Laura is also faulty on Pride, but on that, another time.
There is a reason why I say that Harry is the weirdest Harem Protag I ever saw. One of the endings he is...being weird with Harry...for some reason. Harry lives rent free in his head. Why fuck those bitches? Harry. Why work in that company? Harry.
Why do all what you do? HARRY!
If someone told me that his hate is about how he can't get that love Harry exudes for himself...I would believe it. After all he dropped Maya the moment she lost his use to him. He can't live without Harry.
Luca, you are gay, and Harry must run away. Then he gets Purple Insane Bitch who would willingly get him intoxicated to fuck him, an insane Yakuza Princess who wants to own Harry by any means and an Insane Blonde Bastard Mafioso who can't get what he wants really.
Harry must have the sweetest face in that place for those three nutsos have their lives, breathes and minds spinning around him.
Would be fun an ending in which they all think that they got what they wanted from Harry and...they lose him in the same moral corruption aspects that involved Laura and Luca...
Hm...blackmailing Harry and turning him into a sex slave? He is cute...
Hm...
That would still count as NTR, right?
Not runaway, she still seems to have her contacts, not sure why she is there, I think she saw Harry one time, smelled him and went cray. She is cray. If you wanna get her brutally killing you, just take Harry, rape him and proceed to let everyone see the guy not letting anyone touch him and being grumpy/depressed over it.
You get Aya on a warpath on your ass, be careful. Chainsaws, guns, brutal murders or even knives might be used. You can run, but she won't rest until you are dead.
But no issues if you do all that with Laura, she will even find it fun!
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On the matter of love, it's complicated. Love is often complicated and multifaceted. It's one of the hardest emotions to define, especially since it overlaps at times with lust, obsession and affection in general. You could say that Maya had some kind of general affection for Harry, or that she was in love with him. Luca, at least, definitely thought she felt something romantic about Harry based on his observations of her.
It was definitely a shallow kind of love at best, which, to be fair, is pretty normal for someone in high-school. For teenagers, lust often trumps just about everything because of how hormones work during that period of time.
As for Luca, his trauma doesn't excuse anything at all. Just because it explains WHY he's the way he is and makes it understandable, it doesn't really change that he's a monster... and he's a monster because he chooses to be one.
Luca's reaction during that scene didn't seem quite that simple and his tone, so to speak, felt to flippant, for lack of a better word. Was he actually disgusted? Or was he oddly pleased that he managed to drag Harry down to the point of becoming a manwhore like him to win Laura back? (+Aya in that other ending... but let's face it, it'd be 6 months at most before Harry and Laura both were Aya's bitches and loving it.... I seriously doubt that she didn't plan for Harry to find them with that double-ended dildo stuffed in their cunts.)
In any case, it just feels like the author REALLY didn't want to write that ending at all, which is why it feels like it just switches off very fast.
In Luca's case, I don't think he has any attraction for Harry. It's just that he genuinely hates Harry. Most people don't understand what it means to really hate. To genuinely, utterly, completely hate something. It's said that hatred is the other side of the coin to love, the negative to its positive. When you hate, genuinely hate... it's not enough to destroy something. It's not enough to get it out of your life. No. You want it close. You want it near. You want to taint it, to rip it to make it suffer, to make it experience more and more horrible things. When you hate a person, genuinely hate them, killing them is not enough, hitting them directly or the like is not enough. Only true suffering will ever bring satisfaction to true hatred, and it never ends, it's never enough, it's a vicious cycle.There is a reason why I say that Harry is the weirdest Harem Protag I ever saw. One of the endings he is...being weird with Harry...for some reason. Harry lives rent free in his head. Why fuck those bitches? Harry. Why work in that company? Harry.
Why do all what you do? HARRY!
If someone told me that his hate is about how he can't get that love Harry exudes for himself...I would believe it. After all he dropped Maya the moment she lost his use to him. He can't live without Harry.
Luca, you are gay, and Harry must run away. Then he gets Purple Insane Bitch who would willingly get him intoxicated to fuck him, an insane Yakuza Princess who wants to own Harry by any means and an Insane Blonde Bastard Mafioso who can't get what he wants really.
Harry must have the sweetest face in that place for those three nutsos have their lives, breathes and minds spinning around him.
Would be fun an ending in which they all think that they got what they wanted from Harry and...they lose him in the same moral corruption aspects that involved Laura and Luca...
Hm...blackmailing Harry and turning him into a sex slave? He is cute...
Hm...
Because hatred is much like love. Like how when you love someone, you want to spend time with them. You want to know about them. You want them to be happy. Hatred is the opposite of that, and it's honestly impressive how well the artist managed to capture the feel of that emotion in Luca. Not just anger. Not just dislike. But genuine, irrational hatred that's rarely natural.
Most people can't feel that kind of hate, not easily at least. Whether you believe that humans have a soul that's inherently good, or whether you lean on the fact that humans are social animals and that kind of behavior and thinking is damaging to the group as a whole in the long run. The fact of the matter is that true, deep hatred is a pretty unnatural emotion, unlike love. Some might say it's normal to hate the things that hurt you or whatnot, but that's often not what happens. The fact that Luca does feel this deep hatred just showcases how insane he genuinely is.
Nah, she's definitely a runaway. Her path makes it clear that she was trying to escape that world originally. It's why she doesn't immediately rely on her family right after Luca proposes the stupid game and is forced to let Luca rape her at all. It's why in all of the endings she only acts at the last possible moment. Because at the end of the day, she's in the US working a dumb job at a company that has no relation to her home because she's trying to change from the monster she was being made into.
She also mentions that there's one other person that she loves, someone that was there before Harry. A girl or a woman. A sister maybe? We don't know yet.
In all of the endings that she has to rely on her Yakuza heritage, it's pretty obvious that she's basically making some kind of sacrifice to make it happen. It's also likely why she does NOT call on those contacts in the one ending where she runs away with Laura and Harry and both she and Laura are pregnant in the back-seat while they're driving over to Canada. They're also never mentioned in the alternate good ending. I don't think they appeared in the ending where she murders Luca for Harry and pins the murder on Laura.
The Fallen Hero Aya ending has Harry basically being trained to become yakuza himself, to become a heir basically... and it happens because in that specific ending, she clearly had to lean very hard on her family to the point where she had to do what they said. It's not something she wants, because it means dragging her beloved senpai with her into becoming a monster... but it's better to be a monster with him, than to completely lose him, I suppose.
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I still think that Aya's the biggest monster in this entire VN, even after reading all the paths and all the endings. She's not the most loathsome one, that remains Luca's schtick, but she's definitely the biggest one. Because at the end of the day, when she gets vindictive, she makes Luca's hatred of Harry look like a schoolyard grudge with some of the shit she does to Laura...