RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.5.8.5b] [Chyos]

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Evangelion-01

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A plan that would have completely fallen apart if Rick had been too drunk or completely forgot about that house he only knows through hearsay. Or if MC had found the actual cabin Rick was talking about (which isn't even Isha's house, I'll remind you). Or if Rick had given better directions. Or if MC had decided not to refuse Mira's offer to help (even Emily would've accepted for the first night while he's still mourning). Or if MC had asked around the village and found that Penny was willing to help him. Or if MC had failed to survive the orc encounter. Etc, etc.
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let's quote one of the madest and best strategists in porn games... Simon from "the last Souvereign"... "your game is to small."
Let's go back to the beginning of time...
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If you only look at the MC and his history this could all be a coincident... but how goes the saying? "There are no coincidences!"
Look at it from even further away... disregard time and think out of the picture... there are enough hints in the shared lore that this whole story is Ishas plan for revenge and all actors colleteral damage for Isha to become the main goddess of a new era
 
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Evangelion-01 said:
let's quote one of the madest and best strategists in porn games... Simon from "the last Souvereign"... "your game is to small."
Let's go back to the beginning of time...
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If you only look at the MC and his history this could all be a coincident... but how goes the saying? "There are no coincidences!"
Look at it from even further away... disregard time and think out of the picture... there are enough hints in the shared lore that this whole story is Ishas plan for revenge and all actors colleteral damage for Isha to become the main goddess of a new era
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Again, if her genius plan is to rely on so many uncertainties, all so that MC can walk into her house and even then he'll remain a wild card who could just as easily turn against her... Suffice to say that'd at least explain why she failed and lost almost all her powers.

Let's face it. If she had the opportunity to do all of that, why didn't she do something else instead with much greater odds of success? Not to mention... how did she even know MC? Who is he to her for Isha to spend sooo many resources to maybe hopefully have him work with her and crossing her fingers he doesn't turn against her?

We already have Sabrina to prove that she isn't the kind to craft a masterful plan to get a precise someone into her lap. She's scraping the bottom of the barrel and willing to do anything and take anyone to get her powers back and her revenge. Even if she did help Syfa, it was mostly to sow chaos. It's easier to act under the radar when people are already busy enough as it is. Then she could either lure or capture whoever might suit her needs. Or experiment on them, like she did with Maui... who is another proof that she's not as in control as you'd like her to be. Remember how she thought the experiment had failed? It was MC who revealed to her it partly worked. That's how little she knows and/or cares to know.

Besides, if that's how much control she can exert, why not already have the cult help her recover her powers? All she'd need to do is give the power to Giron. Perfect candidate, due to his character and position. And if she's indeed involved with the cult, as we've seen, the cult has the baron by the balls so he'd be unable to actually go against Isha. No, none of it fits.
 
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Again, if her genius plan is to rely on so many uncertainties, all so that MC can walk into her house and even then he'll remain a wild card who could just as easily turn against her... Suffice to say that'd at least explain why she failed and lost almost all her powers.
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...You don't get it... if you plan meticolous enough there are no uncertanities.
What I am saying is everything happened as she wished...
Why did Gurthak leave MC alive? Orcs aren't known for their generosity against someone they consider weaker than themselfes?
How did a Potion cause MC to have the seed of Ishas divine aspect?
We know that she keeps stuff hidden from MC and she is intentionally vague about several things regardeing herself and her mission.
MC is no longer of any importance, Isha had a tight leash around him until she got her revenge.
I don't think she ever trusted MC with anything to begin with so she had a close look on him... maybe she thinks with her powers being restored to this degree and Sabrina as her trump card to ensure it staying this way she has no more need for the MC.
Solak said:
Let's face it. If she had the opportunity to do all of that, why didn't she do something else instead with much greater odds of success? Not to mention... how did she even know MC? Who is he to her for Isha to spend sooo many resources to maybe hopefully have him work with her and crossing her fingers he doesn't turn against her?
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What would that have been?
It's probably true that she was forced to hide from Athias inquisition and priestesses in order to avoid being actually killed by humans... but she could have avoided them in several different manners, like leaving the country, I think Anyas home nation has different deitys to worship.

She likely didn't know MC himself, but his bloodline.
Let's say Isha left the seed of her aspect with her highpriestess after she fell and than hid herself from the world... she kept an eye or put a tracker on this part of herself... she prepared to strike and when ready waited for male to inherit the seed in order to make use of it.
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We already have Sabrina to prove that she isn't the kind to craft a masterful plan to get a precise someone into her lap. She's scraping the bottom of the barrel and willing to do anything and take anyone to get her powers back and her revenge. Even if she did help Syfa, it was mostly to sow chaos. It's easier to act under the radar when people are already busy enough as it is. Then she could either lure or capture whoever might suit her needs. Or experiment on them, like she did with Maui... who is another proof that she's not as in control as you'd like her to be. Remember how she thought the experiment had failed? It was MC who revealed to her it partly worked. That's how little she knows and/or cares to know.
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I think it's more accurate that she killed time... Sabrina was a random find she likely made use of to speed up her own plans, she would have gotten there without her aswell... it was just easier to task her with the dangerous or more perilous stuff than doing it herself... you know she already admitted that gods are lazy.
And what makes you think it was to sow chaos?
She learned blood magic from someone capeable at it... Syfa indicated that she tought that magic to a different being before and Athia made it clear that that Magic is unique to Gurthak and his fllowers.
Maui wasn't an experiment... she ran into her by chance and used what she could muster of her divine powers to fend her off... she thought that was all to it but never considered that her little trick had any lasting effects.
Solak said:
Besides, if that's how much control she can exert, why not already have the cult help her recover her powers? All she'd need to do is give the power to Giron. Perfect candidate, due to his character and position. And if she's indeed involved with the cult, as we've seen, the cult has the baron by the balls so he'd be unable to actually go against Isha. No, none of it fits.
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If what she said about that Potion was true you'd have a point... I muse that the Potion was only a catalyst to activate the power already sleeping in the MC.
 
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I do get it, but I'll try to make my issue clearer: it's inconsistent with what we've seen in the game. You can assume those coincidences are all part of a bigger picture, but coincidences can also be just that, coincidences. If she had the ability to creat so many coincidences, if she had so much influence already, it would have been easy to simply kidnap MC.

Let's take the orc attack. If MC foolishly tries to avenge his father by fighting an opponent clearly out of his league, he's later found almost dead. Like you said, the orcs usually don't leave men alive, so clearly he was manipulated by Isha, right? Well in that case, she must have been nearby. Even if not, during that time, she clearly could have swooped in, "rescued" him and have him indebted to her. That'd be a much better outcome for her than trying to threaten him and appear to him as a likely evil entity who he cannot trust. MC can then tell the villagers he barely managed to hide before collapsing and returned after tending to his wounds, so there's just as much risk of being exposed as when MC enters her house.

Do you see how it doesn't hold? Same for Sabrina. A way to kill time? Isha? She doesn't have time to kill. Either she's working towards her goal or she's letting stress out... which clearly wasn't the case with Sabrina. She took risks in taking her in, took the time to teach her magic and if memory serves, openly states that she was hoping Sabrina could learn enough to help her. And since she was disappointed, says it was a waste of time and that MC was now her priority. A waste of time, not a way to kill time.

I'm not saying she didn't have anything to do with the events we know. She probably does, to some extent at least. Bt you're giving her waaaay too much credit. And with that, I'll probably be off to bed. It took me too long to keep my brain awake enough to type this.
 
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I do get it, but I'll try to make my issue clearer: it's inconsistent with what we've seen in the game. You can assume those coincidences are all part of a bigger picture, but coincidences can also be just that, coincidences. If she had the ability to creat so many coincidences, if she had so much influence already, it would have been easy to simply kidnap MC.
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But she is only human now.. immortal maybe, but she can age and be killed by a sword... his parents would have searched for him and given them haveing a personal guard it's likely that they had enough influence to also have the guards search him.
Even if she used the Cult they might abonden her if they consider their own organization at danger... useing them to kill his parents in a matter that they first send their 1st son off into the world is a better plan.
Also he would only be of any good as an adult to her... raising a child doesn't seem an ability of hers... pawning that duty off to some villagers in an area of her influence is a good choice I suppose.
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Let's take the orc attack. If MC foolishly tries to avenge his father by fighting an opponent clearly out of his league, he's later found almost dead. Like you said, the orcs usually don't leave men alive, so clearly he was manipulated by Isha, right? Well in that case, she must have been nearby. Even if not, during that time, she clearly could have swooped in, "rescued" him and have him indebted to her. That'd be a much better outcome for her than trying to threaten him and appear to him as a likely evil entity who he cannot trust. MC can then tell the villagers he barely managed to hide before collapsing and returned after tending to his wounds, so there's just as much risk of being exposed as when MC enters her house.
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Not really Gurthak may not like the Chieftain but he is loyal to him... if the vission of Gurthak ordered them to keep MC alive the Chieftain would make sure Gurthak knew and understood.
I agree on the later part but she was interrupted when the villagers aproached I think Rick mentioned that Arianna found hiim and alarmed them.
A good plan needs a backup, a great plan needs a backup for the backup and a superior plan requires several backup plans... she couldn't save him so she chose to approach him as herself.
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Do you see how it doesn't hold? Same for Sabrina. A way to kill time? Isha? She doesn't have time to kill. Either she's working towards her goal or she's letting stress out... which clearly wasn't the case with Sabrina. She took risks in taking her in, took the time to teach her magic and if memory serves, openly states that she was hoping Sabrina could learn enough to help her. And since she was disappointed, says it was a waste of time and that MC was now her priority. A waste of time, not a way to kill time.
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Your time scale is still to low... Sabrina came into contact with her when her plans where at a stage of waiting... she needed MC to mature and Marcus to die... she was alone for over a century... likely a good opportunity to improve her social skills some more.
And like I said she hoped to use Sabrina for the taxing parts of her plan but gave up on her later... letting her leave was not an Option and maybe she worried that as incapeable she was with magic she could still harm her significantly in her current state (old hag you certainly remember).
Sabrina wasn't planned it was a hobby project of her to maybe gain an deposable assistant for the chores she didn't want to do herself but was previously forced to as she was all alone... so yeah great if it work and aa hazzle if not... but not a problem either way.
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I'm not saying she didn't have anything to do with the events we know. She probably does, to some extent at least. Bt you're giving her waaaay too much credit. And with that, I'll probably be off to bed. It took me too long to keep my brain awake enough to type this.
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Hey this is all just funny museing... I may be way off or spot on but who cares aslong as not another NTR or save game questions wakes this thread again.
 
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DeminPatyon said:
can someone help summary i want to know what's going on, but i aint read all that
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In short:

Eva is saying Isha orchestrated "everything" in Arenfield: the orc attack leading to Marcus's death, the weakning of Syfa's seal, the corruption of the cult, you name it. All so that MC eventually finds his way in her humble abode where she can use him for her plans. And she's able to do all that because she's a goddess.

I am saying that all of this is crazy talk because if she was able to do all that, she'd have enacted far better plans already since that one (assuming it's one) relies on way too much randomness, too many coincidences and contrivances... and if any of it had failed, her plan was doomed (such as Rick giving MC proper directions to do to the actual shack, Rick forgetting about that one shack he heard about that one time, etc).

And Eva's counterargument was that she orchestrated that too, sprouting those ideas inside the concerned people's heads. To which I'm saying that's even worse as she'd then clearly be able to have far better plans.

For instance (that part is more of a reply to Eva's latest post btw), she couldn't reach MC in time to rescue him and have him indebted because Arianna came? Why didn't she "whisper" in Arianna's head something to get her out of the way?

But I'm kind of checking out of that conversation anyway, so...
 
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Solak said:
In short:

Eva is saying Isha orchestrated "everything" in Arenfield: the orc attack leading to Marcus's death, the weakning of Syfa's seal, the corruption of the cult, you name it. All so that MC eventually finds his way in her humble abode where she can use him for her plans. And she's able to do all that because she's a goddess.

I am saying that all of this is crazy talk because if she was able to do all that, she'd have enacted far better plans already since that one (assuming it's one) relies on way too much randomness, too many coincidences and contrivances... and if any of it had failed, her plan was doomed (such as Rick giving MC proper directions to do to the actual shack, Rick forgetting about that one shack he heard about that one time, etc).

And Eva's counterargument was that she orchestrated that too, sprouting those ideas inside the concerned people's heads. To which I'm saying that's even worse as she'd then clearly be able to have far better plans.

For instance (that part is more of a reply to Eva's latest post btw), she couldn't reach MC in time to rescue him and have him indebted because Arianna came? Why didn't she "whisper" in Arianna's head something to get her out of the way?

But I'm kind of checking out of that conversation anyway, so...
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More like saying it would be kinda awesome or "IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!"
Also you forget that the one thing she has is time... she just is an impatient bitch... she'd succeed eventually, but that isn't fast enough for her as we know.

also a reply to the last part... because it wasn't Isha that had that power... it's Syfas ;)
 
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More like saying it would be kinda awesome or "IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!"
Also you forget that the one thing she has is time... she just is an impatient bitch... she'd succeed eventually, but that isn't fast enough for her as we know.

also a reply to the last part... because it wasn't Isha that had that power... it's Syfas ;)
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Doesn't matter who has it, they'd have kept Arianna out of the way anyway.

And I don't think it'd be kinda awesome. I find it more awesome when you manage to do the best you can with the cards you've been dealt. Rigging the game so it goes your way regardless is obviously impressive but would require so much power/control/influence that at that point, it's more for the shits and giggles as you could've been far more efficient with the tools at your disposal. Toying with your food isn't kinda awesome.
 
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Ottoeight said:
So, what's the latest news, folks? how is it going with the latest update's development?

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Towards the end of the month he will release the update, but he doesn’t know if he’ll complete it in time with all the sex scenes, or just conclude Mira’s story (Of this part) and then add afterwards sex scens
 
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Solak said:
I bet the surprise is a threesome with Mira and Syfa! :lepew:
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The next Update is a murder crime investigation that apparently can be solved in the "wrong" way.
Not the first time we get such a crossreference in RPGs but I gues it can be fun if done correctly
 
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zARRR said:
“Well acssstttually :geek:”, Emily can be considered a step mom… no is a step mom, both the game (Questlog) and MC and characters mention her role as such.
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Weeellll she actually only is if you enable IC useing that previously mentioned method... otherwise she is just you adoptive parent
 
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