RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.5.8.5b] [Chyos]

[Samuel Hidayat]

I hate NTR and if this game didn't have the NTR off button and still so much content, I would have never become a fan.

Still, it's very impressive what Chyos managed to pull it off... his player base is divided between the ntr crowd and anti-NTR like me. I don't know any other dev that became successful in this, catering to both audiences and keeping them both happy. Most of them fail miserably and surround themselves with controversy and flame war.

I wonder if Chyos would have more patrons if he didn't create NTR at all... but it's not like he's doing bad though.

I hate NTR, but I keep the NTR on since it only appears as punishment for bad decisions and/or if players themselves voluntarily seek them.
I feel like that's the key to Chyos's success; optional NTR. It doesn't suffocate the anti-NTRs with its presence, yet it gives us extra incentive to play well so you could avoid it entirely.
I personally feel more satisfied if I manage to prevent an NTR scenario, like watching Dave fumbling around like a tard in front of Frisha, then saving her from him.

 

[Ottoeight]

I personally feel more satisfied if I manage to prevent an NTR scenario, like watching Dave fumbling around like a tard in front of Frisha, then saving her from him.

Yeah, fuck you Dave. Frisha is mine

 

[zARRR]

I go for full love route, problem is I'm forced to corrupt Hiba since I need Basic Alchemy recipes. Wish Chyos would add another way to get it instead of cucking Tomak all the time lmao.

Poor lad did nothing wrong.

Didn’t Chyos add another way to put Alchemy?

 

[mrttao]

I hate NTR, but I keep the NTR on since it only appears as punishment for bad decisions and/or if players themselves voluntarily seek them.

It also appears as punishment for not using the walkthrough.
Far too many NTRs trigger based on time here, and far too many "go into obscure location X at exactly hour Y". or "find the wine in closet in the room at house Z. replace it with different kind of wine"

 

[zARRR]

It also appears as punishment for not using the walkthrough.
Far too many NTRs trigger based on time here, and far too many "go into obscure location X at exactly hour Y". or "find the wine in closet in the room at house Z. replace it with different kind of wine"

Nah man, I do believe it ain’t the case for being a punishment for not using the walkthrough, For Frisha and Dave it’s clear as the day for the bottle problem and even if you fail you can storm in, at the last minute.
For Penny it can be tricky but you can kick the boyfriend out of the house in one day the questlog helps.
Tia and Lyvia mostly lose battles, same with the dwarves ladies et cetera.
Some of the NTR choices are also basically yes get cucked\ no cucking (like Natasha).

 

[Evangelion-01]

It also appears as punishment for not using the walkthrough.
Far too many NTRs trigger based on time here, and far too many "go into obscure location X at exactly hour Y". or "find the wine in closet in the room at house Z. replace it with different kind of wine"

Time more or less freezes if you are not present... if you watch Frisha visiting Dave she'll drink the corrupted wine, but if you are out of town for example, she won't drink the wine and leave after dinner

 

[mrttao]

Time more or less freezes if you are not present...

Walkthrough explicitly warns you that it doesn't.
Various NTR scenes happen after X days since a specific non obvious trigger if you do not stop it.
Only if you have NTR switched off then you have all the time in the world.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Walkthrough explicitly warns you that it doesn't.
Various NTR scenes happen after X days since a specific non obvious trigger if you do not stop it.
Only if you have NTR switched off then you have all the time in the world.

In the beginning it was meant that way (for example if you didn't stop Frisha from going to the dinner Date by running into her in the city map), but later Chyos made it a bit more forgiving so people not accidentaly trigger the NTR route for a girl just because they are not present... the only time relevant NTR Quest is not saveing Gavina and Bianca after being defeated by goblins or leaving them behind in the dwarfen Town

 

[Wolf Larsen]

Walkthrough explicitly warns you that it doesn't.
Various NTR scenes happen after X days since a specific non obvious trigger if you do not stop it.
Only if you have NTR switched off then you have all the time in the world.

Arianna will sleep with the hunter if you don't satisfy her for a month or so... because of her curse and she can't control herself. So nope, NTR will always stay off for me.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Arianna will sleep with the hunter if you don't satisfy her for a month or so... because of her curse and she can't control herself. So nope, NTR will always stay off for me.

Only if you refused to have sex with her in the first place, when you go into her love route she'll wait for you

 

[Wolf Larsen]

Only if you refused to have sex with her in the first place, when you go into her love route she'll wait for you

Well, I'm not willing to test that, so I take your word for it.

 

[zARRR]

Well, I'm not willing to test that, so I take your word for it.

I did that for curiosity, so I can testify as a testimony, your honor

 

[mrttao]

What about the scenes of (off the top of my head):
1. carpenter fucking his wife (stopped via sleepwine)
2. mayor fucking his wife
3. childhood friend getting seduced by wondering paladin and loses her virginity to him
4. penny (farm girl) fucking her fiance when he comes back if you give him time to heal
5. dave fucking his fiance if you return her without a chastity belt (despite the fact she said she was saving herself for her "boy"friend in the capital)

I mean, the guide is very clear there are a bunch of timers where things happen in the background if days pass without you torpedoing a relationship.... but that NTR off disables all of those.

Actually, I kinda wanted to solve the carpenter and his wife's relationship trouble for them and get them back together... but in the NTR off mode I didn't even have the option to choose that .
I found that funny. but meh, I am not too stressed about it. I guess I will take her after all.

 

[naruto95]

where do you fin the straw for Isha?

 

[mrttao]

where do you fin the straw for Isha?

from main town. go right on the road. you will find yourself in a farm (in fact that is the farm that used to belong to penny before she was driven out and her land taken over by that other family. Her quest will likely involve getting it back for her in the future).
now go down and grab at some of the straw in the field

 

[kirigaya12315]

where do you fin the straw for Isha?

 

[zARRR]

Actually, I kinda wanted to solve the carpenter and his wife's relationship trouble for them and get them back together... but in the NTR off mode I didn't even have the option to choose that .
I found that funny. but meh, I am not too stressed about it. I guess I will take her after all.

That would have been indeed funny, being a marriage counselor in a porn game and actually doing your job

 

[Evangelion-01]

1. carpenter fucking his wife (stopped via sleepwine)
2. mayor fucking his wife

Yes those can happen... or not if you aren't present if you satisfy Yasmine before the mayor/baron goes to bed she won't allow him to loose his marbles.
And as you stated if you give Roderick sleepwine he won't touch Verena even before she sends him sleeping in her workshop

3. childhood friend getting seduced by wondering paladin and loses her virginity to him

Only happens if you have Sex with Syfa infront of Mira

4. penny (farm girl) fucking her fiance when he comes back if you give him time to heal

Only happens if you build corruption instead of affection... otherwise she won't have sex with either of you until she sorted out her feelings.

5. dave fucking his fiance if you return her without a chastity belt (despite the fact she said she was saving herself for her "boy"friend in the capital)

That's already following her NTR Route, to avoid that route you need the chastity belt... or go her Love route by bringing her to the camp.

IF you follow the girls individual NTR Routes there are several timers, another example is Kate and Thomas... however if you follow the Love routes or in some cases even the corruption Routes the girls won't cheat on you.

from main town. go right on the road. you will find yourself in a farm (in fact that is the farm that used to belong to penny before she was driven out and her land taken over by that other family. Her quest will likely involve getting it back for her in the future).
now go down and grab at some of the straw in the field

No Penny always lived in the farm/house in Arenfield, only the fields outside of town used to be hers, before she had to sell it to pay her taxes.

 

[mrttao]

That's already following her NTR Route

This ties back to my statement about using the walkthrough.
If you are using the walkthrough you know this is following her NTR route.
If you are not using the walkthrough this can be something you do unintentionally. Just assuming "oh its not like dave is gonna rape her. she is the baron's daughter after all. And living in the woods is stupid"

No Penny always lived in the farm/house in Arenfield, only the fields outside of town used to be hers, before she had to sell it to pay her taxes.

I didn't say she lived there. I said she owned it. so you actually agree with me.

Only happens if you build corruption instead of affection... otherwise she won't have sex with either of you until she sorted out her feelings.

Corruption is fun though. It is clearly the correct route. Isha best waifu

 

[Lookingforthis]

Don't act like everybody is the same, or will end up the same. Don't act like vanilla is "horrible". People like what they like, no need to analyse or convince themselves that they should like it just because others like it.

I don't believe I am transgressing against anyone by doing so? It's joy to share with others what I enjoy and this is the closest I get to doing so with those that hate what I like. It's, whatcha ma call it, a discourse?

Now, the only thing in which I claim that people will be like me is this; Getting jaded about the things you like after indulging them for years if not decades. THAT state of mind leads to trying new things and there is where I claim that he might end up like me.

Do you go through the same process of analysis with other fetishes as well? Like, have you convinced yourself you should like scat, pegging, vore or one of the hundreds of the fringe fetishes?

Glad you asked! Yes to the last and not yet to the first two. As in, I used to hate vore but I have grown to like it after exposure and growing tired of just browsing what I like.

Not that I agree with the poster you answered to, as he was clearly saying it in a insulting manner. But your points (besides your personal preferences) don't make sense.

I do not believe that people are born with all the fetishes they'll ever had and are just waiting around to discover them. If it's true that our experiences and nurturing affects what we like sexually, then it stands to reason that people aren't even capable of going through their whole life satisfied by just the things they currently like. Maybe the shifts are big, with them going through whole genres.

And maybe it's small things, like them just sifting through new sexual positions. But none stay the same, is what I am saying. And what triggers that change, ennui, gives everyone a chance at getting into NTR.