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Not exactly the lack of sex. There is a reason for anybody to take so long, even ICSTOR said that his game burns him out easily. But in this case, the amount of time mathmatically doesn't respect a realistic timespan given the time space between each update. Due to that, the reasoning why i ask if anybody asked is just there are to much speculation, i dont even get triggered by the delay as others do, but is he not watching the time that has passed and it'll take?
EDIT: did not see farrah's posting the patreon post.
I dont think he takes criticism or questioning very well
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- May 4, 2017
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no question he has beautiful renders and I am anxious in seeing the next part of the story for Sophia and how she progresses down the dirty path.
but dev has a very thin skin and fragile ego. he is taking away valuable time he could be spending on development and instead responding to people on the internet trying to change their mind lol.
if his patrons are the ones giving him this shit then i understand; but if he’s making that sort of post to respond to what people on F95 are saying about him (instead of what he and his supporters are telling him) then he has deeper and bigger issues.
but dev has a very thin skin and fragile ego. he is taking away valuable time he could be spending on development and instead responding to people on the internet trying to change their mind lol.
if his patrons are the ones giving him this shit then i understand; but if he’s making that sort of post to respond to what people on F95 are saying about him (instead of what he and his supporters are telling him) then he has deeper and bigger issues.
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If the events will be more and more bigger and one event will take 2 months, then one game day will be created in 2 years, i.e. another 30 years for game end? I doubt that I will physically live to see this moment, and the developer?"
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If this vote goes through and people say yes, get ready for him either to not go through with it because it "messes up its creative/artistic vision" or for one event to turn into 2 months of work
If people say no to this, they can start preparing for an abandoned game down the line.
Also 380 renders for 1 scene? Im sure half of them would be enough. As always, every update is a new record in nr of renders and also a new record of slow pacing the game.
Some people lives thousands years like vampire but we are poor human dont have many month for wait to just watch touching and teasing
he can always pick this game fanart artist to become his assistant
- Nov 1, 2017
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10k-15k images in 3 months? it might be possible in high-end Nvidia graphic card machines, like 11MB Nvidia graphic cards and maybe even 8MB but yeah, the 11MB cost over a thousand pound, so like you, I doubt they are being truthful.
I think L & P does well, a lot of developers have to choose between speed and quality due to the machines they're using, as they can't render quality quickly. A lot like L & P choose quality, which is the right decision and something I have learned recently myself with own VN.
The renders L & P does would probably take me 3+ hours on my machine but obviously have no idea what settings L & P is using but I can take a guess, and depending on their machine, it will be at least 2-2.5 hours per image am sure, most likely faster than my own machine.
- Oct 20, 2019
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L&P should hire this guy Phanex and everybody win.
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Hi Viper6, I agree with your sentiment in principle. This is one of my favourite games and I provide him with support, but I have recognised for about a year that the game is highly likely to be abandoned in the end as you say - the long timescale coupled with his demeanor are sufficient to cause this. The likely completion date has gradually slipped beyond 10 years in the future to more that 15 years as he has gradually increases the number of positioning renders in each update. Usually it is the combinatorial explosion of images needed to keep up with the various paths that kills game development, and that is also true here to an extent, but increasing the number of renders can also kill progress (presumed to be a measure to us of how hard he is working). I understand that he wants to tell his story in his way with minimal 'interference' in the creative process, but he is doing what we all do in 'migrating to concentrate on the things that we like to do' and his 'thing' appears to be positioning renders - not the sex... As a creative person I know just how important it is to left in peace to 'do the deed', but I also know from long term experience just how valuable it can be to work with others in a multidisciplinary manner to improve the creative process - you just have to compartmentalise and 'keep the waters separated' where necessary. Imo it would be better if he did listen to and understand his audience, and not just get upset, in a manner that makes his own life less stressful and increases the probability that the game will continue in the long term ...
But he is not the only one, most of the games that I follow are developed abysmally slow lately...
Hi humanno21, yes I agree. There is an art to good storytelling and I have no problem with devs telling us a good slow burn story. But that is not the same as just spinning things out just for the sake of it...
- Nov 1, 2017
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ugh, regarding this hiring people and whether L & P should or shouldn't.
"they shouldn't if they don't want to and they should if they do want to"
Just cause you want updates quicker doesn't mean L & P should hire people, it just means you are being impatient.
Some people (myself included) enjoy working by themselves more than working with others.
"they shouldn't if they don't want to and they should if they do want to"
Just cause you want updates quicker doesn't mean L & P should hire people, it just means you are being impatient.
Some people (myself included) enjoy working by themselves more than working with others.
- Jul 17, 2019
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it was l & p who said he would hire someone, then change and said he would try to find someone. now he will change again saying that he does not want to share his money.ugh, regarding this hiring people and whether L & P should or shouldn't.
"they shouldn't if they don't want to and they should if they do want to"
Just cause you want updates quicker doesn't mean L & P should hire people, it just means you are being impatient.
Some people (myself included) enjoy working by themselves more than working with others.
Hi Notretsam, its not just about L&P, its about L&P AND his patrons; its not a one way street. I have worked alone for years creating things and 'solving problems', but at the same time I have happily worked with others on joint projects. It is 'horses for courses' approach not 'I am an island'. I don't want updates quicker, I want the dev to tell his story in his way; and no, I am not impatient, but I am concerned that his project time scale has been affected by him adjusting his modus operandi in the sense that he has changed/is changing the resource allocation for specific tasks; that means that to me he appears to have increased greatly the number of renders required to produce each scene - which are great there is no denying - because he likes to make renders and that the number of renders produced are one way for him to display 'work done'. There are other ways to demonstrate value and progress, such as the number of scenes produced.
Hiring people has been stated by L&ATMP oh his patreon page as a consequence of the increasing of incoming.. At that times he was not against the idea... the incoming increase is reached...some times ago he changed is minds but it is licit suspect that the creative process is not the real reason of his minds changes...Most probably more money in the pocket is his intention...this can also be understanded ascentaining how the development progress is inversely proportional to the incoming increase. Dev consider himself as a genius, the god of the Erotic VNsugh, regarding this hiring people and whether L & P should or shouldn't.
"they shouldn't if they don't want to and they should if they do want to"
Just cause you want updates quicker doesn't mean L & P should hire people, it just means you are being impatient.
Some people (myself included) enjoy working by themselves more than working with others.
and react a a child to every critics... i'm sure that his face color become green every time that, hidden on this thread, he reads criticism....we loves you dear mr Hulk...keep work hardly and fap less every time that a new render is completed...your work is not the Monna Lisa of third millennium...
Flies free but flies low...
peace and love
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Hi JuliusAsh, your comment (modified) '... this can also be understood by the law relating development progress to the inverse proportion of the increase in income' is true for many devs sadly because they want to capitalise on their success quite reasonably, but hey we are all human I guess.
Yeap ... moreover (s)he promised to do it in one of her patreon's goal.
People tell (I don't know is it true or not) that (s)he has 2 computers: for composing scenes and for final rendering. Second one has 2 top NVidia cards 2080Ti Titan RTX with 24Gb VRAM each. Definitively rendering is not bottleneck, the real bottleneck here is composition of the scenes and there is only one way to speed up this process: add more manpower.
L&P excuses regarding scene's perfection are baseless. (S)He can split workflow with a partner in very effective and productive way, like partner prepares intermediate scenes and L&P gives those scenes final artistic touches. There are plenty of cloud disk solutions available in the internet for results interchange.
Instead what do we see in reality?
1. As far as I know, L&P refuses to collaborate with anyone.
2. L&P constantly introduce new faces into the game, thus creating more and more branches (therefore more and more renders) in the storyline
Considering those facts, I can only say that real goal of this project is milking via teasing. That's sad truth, game is awesome, I enjoy it myself greatly, but with such attitude it will never be finished. There are a lot of cultists, who just afraid to look onto game's final fate, so they will continue to feed dev with less and less feedback, driven only by hope and believes in almighty Creator.
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people say things, then change there mind, its a thing we all do.
As for wanting more money, we all WANT more money, that is just normal and certainly is no reason to complain about.
no matter what y'all say, it's up to L & P and not you. That really should be obvious and the end of it, but there will probably be another 50 pages of the same complaint in this thread.
if you don't like it, then stop watching this thread and stop playing AWAM then.
all I ever see in here are people complaining over nothing, but yet you see the same people constantly posting and complaining in here about a VN they apparently don't like, it's weird.
I stopped liking summertime saga and posted about it, even got banned (rightfully) for a week from the SS thread as a result of the heated discussion I got in. Guess what I did after the week ban? nothing, I stopped watching the thread and never commented since because I got better things to do and there a bunch of other VN's for me to play.
As for wanting more money, we all WANT more money, that is just normal and certainly is no reason to complain about.
no matter what y'all say, it's up to L & P and not you. That really should be obvious and the end of it, but there will probably be another 50 pages of the same complaint in this thread.
if you don't like it, then stop watching this thread and stop playing AWAM then.
all I ever see in here are people complaining over nothing, but yet you see the same people constantly posting and complaining in here about a VN they apparently don't like, it's weird.
I stopped liking summertime saga and posted about it, even got banned (rightfully) for a week from the SS thread as a result of the heated discussion I got in. Guess what I did after the week ban? nothing, I stopped watching the thread and never commented since because I got better things to do and there a bunch of other VN's for me to play.
Who hurt you?