No, we can't do that. People asking for that are idiots. We should just lick the dev's ballsack for working himself off to a point where he doesn't even have time to have a dog instead of suggesting stuff that might help him 1) develop quicker maintaining quality 2) increasing what the game as to offer therefore increasing his pay out $$$ 3) not burning out for lack of personal time.
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Even I am a patron.
I've said time and time again that I have no issue supporting a project that the dev is fully invested in.
You confuse criticism with hate.
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Yeah it was probably Alyssa. Last time i was playing i remember Patricia was saying that she would be leaving for some time.
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I didn't see that one coming.Even I am a patron.
I've said time and time again that I have no issue supporting a project that the dev is fully invested in.
You confuse criticism with hate.
I support 12 projects right now. If the dev is commited to it I'm there to support, it costs me nothing. If I see the dev go the extra mile, I'll sub on the top tier. I'm in a lucky spot, money doesn't really matter.
What I won't do is supporting lazy devs which tbh I thought it was L&Ps case some months ago but I'm starting to see that it's just someone with high attention to detail and that eventually gets lost in its own art @ development stage. I get it, everything looks good and he wants to capture everything, but he needs to learn when enough is enough and move on.
If we transpose this to music, right now L&P is that indie band making a handful of awesome songs playing little gigs that you're like "how tf no one knows these dudes?" and then you have shitty bands pulling 2 albums in the same amount of time of generic average music pulling huge arena gigs making millions just because they're smarter about it and market well. Too much potential going to waste.
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Dare to dream a little, do you really understand how slow 4 months of development is? If we get 3 updates a year, that's only one in-game day. It will literally take a decade and a half to finish the game at that rate.
For us to have any hope of this game reaching completion, updates have to average something like 90 days. That means we need some that can be done in 75 days, and some longer ones that need 120 days. At minimum, there should be four updates in a 12 month span. That isn't asking a lot, I swear it isn't. Compromises will need to be made, but I'm sure we can maintain quality renders even if there are just fewer of them. Let's assume we average 90 day development cycles; accounting for testing and other preparations, maybe that leaves 75 days of rendering. If L&P can hold tight to 400 renders per update, that would mean that he would have to produce a little over 5 renders a day to meet the 400 renders in 75 days threshold. This seems like a very doable benchmark. This threshold would be about 1,200 renders for an entire in-game day.
More than likely though, I think L&P is going to need to reconsider the 30 playable days idea. It's just going to take too long, even if L&P gets the average development cycle down to 90 days. He may want to consider not only time skips, but montages to help advance the story.
There's about 3 or 4 devs making as good looking renders but the style would have to be the same and there has to be sharing of character assets, so I understand L&Ps point here of being too difficult to find someone, teach them the same style and then fully trust them that they wont just go and fork the story for monetary gain by developing a fuckfest on the side.
So that leaves him with the option of getting people to work on sketches of the scenes, props, items, environments, clothing of the next version so when the time to develop comes he already knows what he's going to use.
It's simple and eases up a lot of the burden if you're developing/rendering and thinking of what to use on the fly or what might look good on the scene you're creating atm, basically it eliminates the "what If I try this in this scene?".
A quick and easy way of easing up his workload would be to share with 2nd guy what the next version's history going to be and your vision of the scenes, that's a 4h call.
2nd guy takes notes and goes to the board, renders it and keeps sending next version's screenshots (not of full scene renders with characters, but environment renders and assets such as clothing/shaping/surfaces/meshes examples), and all L&P needs to do is say what he thinks about it. Then do a weekly call to touch base about the next version and whats the status of the proposed assets .
Once he wraps up the actual version he already has the next version all thought and organized in terms of environment assets and clothing/shaping/surfaces/meshes.
4hr call again to discuss next version with 2nd guy and another cycle begins.
Basically he doesn't even need a pro in Daz because it would be L&P making the scenes, he would just have all the work lined up for him according to his directons but done by someone else.
After a few versions 2nd guy is already in line with what L&P is looking for and the process will just get better. It can even reach a point where the environment comes like 90% done and then its just characters/posing/cameras/lights left which will bring the render average from 5 to at least double, as I'm guessing giving life to a base environment set is what takes most of the time in the dev cycle L&P has per scene.
His photoshop editing, the same. Plenty of people out there that could be editing the renders in batches as they come.
For dialogue I'll reserve any kind of suggestions as I dont know if L&P is making the full dialogue, before he goes rendering or after.
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ouch hes gonna need ice for that
funny to think this games been around since 2017 and still has less content some games that where made this year
It depends on how you classify content. The game actually has plenty of content (play all branches without skipping), it's just that it could have more, without burning the dev down, with the right issues fixed.
For instance L&P has stated, if I recall correctly, that theres a 5% decrease in time by rendering 1080p with his new setup vs his old setup rendering 720p and a 20% decrease if he renders 720p now with this new setup vs the old one.
Looking at, best case scenario, 8 years of development, just do 720p and let someone upscale it using tools, why throw away a net 15% of development time?
L&P has stated that it takes his new setup 20 to 30 minutes rendering a 1080p image. For simplicity, lets put it at 25 minutes for an average of 600 renders. That's 15000 minutes solely rendering, per update, in 1080p.
Could be 12000 minutes if it was in 720p.
That's a 50 hour difference per each update and will probably grow has he keeps growing the nr of renders per version.
Looking at his version numbers, he still has 58 updates to do * 50 hours, that's 3 months of time lost just on rendering 1080p. A full update time.
If there are great tools right now in 2021 to upscale these renders, in a few years they'll be even better. Use those.
Anyways these lost posts won't do much. If he's really planning on releasing this game until its end in 2028-2030, he needs a plan asap and it's in these tiny things that you take a few days here, a chunk of days there and when you notice you're throwing the same amount of content at a faster pace because you optimized all your work.
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I would still like to receive at least 4 updates per year.
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In this regard, nothing depends on me. This is just my wish. By the way, I notice and I am sure that L&P is also willing and making attempts to find an assistant, but this is not easy.
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It's a nice teaser. Not because of the image itself but because of a certain purple detail. The aiden task migh be something way bigger than what people were expecting.
Still betting on the selfie, despite the renders.
2 fantastic renders btw, its just on another level.
Still betting on the selfie, despite the renders.
2 fantastic renders btw, its just on another level.
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Very interesting, what is in this package? Clothes or toys?
Even so, L&P is able to surprise.
Probably the 3rd task is just a ride, And the feolite detail is related to the fourth task.
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I'm betting clothes for her to try on and send him a selfie from the wedding/clothes shop. But that's my mundane brain figuring it out.
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