VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Bahraini]

It was a mistake to upscale to 1080p. The graphics were already good a couple updates ago, we didn't need all the bells and whistles that he's added. I've said before that L&P is an artist first and foremost, he isn't a game designer. He's so hung up on the art that he has lost track of the larger game that the images are supposed to serve. I can see L&P becoming a creator that just makes single images and sells them on Patreon. He's most comfortable when he's spending hours on a single image tweaking the lighting or the placement of pigeons. Everything else, including the story, is secondary.

pigeons are sexy

 

[Hlextor]

I have wondered when/if the tree house,telescope may play a part.

Maybe it has something to do with the concert event? You have to consider that the concert is not the actual event, but what takes place afterwards. Sophia, Ellie and Patricia will go there together by car to watch his performance. I don't think Sophia will stay there alone after the concert, do you? For what reason? And what would Ellie and Patricia think? Maybe the telescope comes into play then? She goes to the balcony, she knows he's watching her and slowly undresses for him and they both masturbate to climax? Other idea?

 

[Old Dog]

can i have the bikini show save? thanks all caps!

Is that with or without Sam

 

[xxxorro]

Maybe it has something to do with the concert event? You have to consider that the concert is not the actual event, but what takes place afterwards. Sophia, Ellie and Patricia will go there together by car to watch his performance. I don't think Sophia will stay there alone after the concert, do you? For what reason? And what would Ellie and Patricia think? Maybe the telescope comes into play then? She goes to the balcony, she knows he's watching her and slowly undresses for him and they both masturbate to climax? Other idea?

I don't think we are quite there story-wise for what you describe.
It is a plausible scenario though, similar to the teasing during the basketball break, this time a little bit more explicit maybe, but still at the level of teasing for Sophia IMO.
(and as it has been pointed out, the telescope is not really useful to watch a neighbour 20-30 meters far away )

I think that what happens at the concert depends also on how the events of the day unfold.
So far we have seen Sophia naked at different levels in all events of PD 12, which is quite a start of the day!
With everything else that is coming in the next release we have to realistically think that not all events will be so explicit.

It would be interesting to have a graph similar to the one already done for each character by Jude6 in which we keep track of the nudity content/level of each PD.

 

[Alley_Cat]

So it will take 7-8 years from the beginning of the game to reach its first sex scene on corruption route

The demo was released around Oct 2017. So it's more like a decade from demo release to first sex scene (approximately).

I was going to say, four months sounds optimistic right now. Unless L&P gets major pushback from his Patrons, I think he will continue to stretch the development cycles. I still hesitate to use the word "milker" because I don't think he's milking people, but until he gets pushback his only incentive is to keep doing what he wants to do. If that means spending a whole week on a single image he'll do it unless his Patrons get pissed. From where I sit right now, I think we'll only get two updates this year. If that happens, and nothing changes from L&P, 2022 could see similar output.

I think 2021 is shaping up to be a critical year for this game. Not only do we see the game itself taking a radical turn in how it presents Sophia, but we're also seeing an evolution in its development. I think we're at an inflection point in which the game can either hit its stride with regular releases, or it can begin to grind to a halt. A month ago I didn't think this game was in danger of being abandoned, but I would be a liar if I said there aren't warning signs now.

When I coded the spreadsheet, the main thing you can change is the time between updates, since that's the thing we're really just guessing at. I originally kept it at 90 days, since that was between the 2 months L&P was aiming for, and the 4 months people were saying at the time.

I think we'll need to see how long v.150 takes to make. If it also takes around 5.5 months, then the 2-month aim really was a joke.

I don't think we are quite there story-wise for what you describe.
It is a plausible scenario though, similar to the teasing during the basketball break, this time a little bit more explicit maybe, but still at the level of teasing for Sophia IMO.
(and as it has been pointed out, the telescope is not really useful to watch a neighbour 20-30 meters far away )

I think that what happens at the concert depends also on how the events of the day unfold.
So far we have seen Sophia naked at different levels in all events of PD 12, which is quite a start of the day!
With everything else that is coming in the next release we have to realistically think that not all events will be so explicit.

It would be interesting to have a graph similar to the one already done for each character by Jude6 in which we keep track of the nudity content/level of each PD.

In my spreadsheet I already keep track of which characters are in which events, so I may be able to knock something up. That's why I find the pace of the Dylan route so glacial - I can easily and quickly determine it took 29 events that Patricia achieved in her second (Seeing Sophia naked). Even Ellie did it in 14.

 

[truerty]

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I hope lightning strikes on Emma and Cathy's heads, so that the whole event will be around the rest of those 3.

 

[xxxorro]

In my spreadsheet I already keep track of which characters are in which events, so I may be able to knock something up. That's why I find the pace of the Dylan route so glacial - I can easily and quickly determine it took 29 events that Patricia achieved in her second (Seeing Sophia naked). Even Ellie did it in 14.

That would be great!
Now that I remember, someone did this table a while ago, it could also be a good starting point.
We can see that in PD 12 (day 19) we see more Sophia in a one morning than the whole day before...

Every scenes of Sophia with nudity till update v0-115 are

Day	Event	Type
3	Sophia at gym shower	Full rear
11	Masturbation in shower	Full frontal, Bush
11	Sex with Liam	Sex scene, Bush
14	Sophia & Ellie showering	Full rear
14	Sophia & Vicky in massage room	Partial frontal, Side boob
15	Sophia notices a water shortage	Full rear
16	Sophia shows her areola to Sam	Partial frontal, Areola
16	Sophia shows her pubes to Dylan to masturbate	Partial frontal, Bush
16	Liam & Sophia sex in shower	Sex scene, Full rear, Full frontal
17	Sophia & Ellie showering	Full rear, Breasts, Bush
17	Sophia & Dylan inside tub	Full rear
17	Sophia shows her breasts to Dylan	Breasts
17	Bikini fashion show	Partial frontal, Partial rear
18	Sophia & Ellie showering	Full frontal, Full rear, Bare back
18	Sophia, Julia & Ellie sexual exploration	Breasts
18	Sophia and other ladies in gym shower	Full frontal, Full rear, Bare back
18	Sophia trying out Alyssa's toy boyfriend	Breasts
18	Liam & Sophia sex in Jacuzzi and in the room	Breasts, Sex scene, Full rear, Full frontal, Bush
19	Sophia & Ellie showering	Full frontal, Full rear, Partial pussy
19	Sophia pulls her towel down at sauna	Breasts
19	Liam & Sophia sex inside his office	Sex scene
19	Sophia exposes her tits to Larry	Breasts

Do note these events may be mutually exclusive.

 

[Prog1r]

At the speed at which it is taking time to get updates, at that speed my age is increasing soon. Because of this I feel that I may need Captain America's super serum.

 

[Alley_Cat]

That would be great!
Now that I remember, someone did this table a while ago, it could also be a good starting point.
We can see that in PD 12 (day 19) we see more Sophia in a one morning than the whole day before...

Well, Ellie sees Sophia fully naked twice on playable day 10, which is as far as I've seen, the first time we as a player see Sophia's bush. It's at least good enough for me to tell which of the 4 odd DAZ assets for genitalia she uses.

I'll see what I can mock up, but yeah, that table is a good starting point, especially since for me on the lesbian route, there isn't any partial nudity. The first time Ellie sees Sophia's breast, she sees her bush as well. None of this "partial breasts" and whatnot

 

[trupervent10001]

Who knows if the developer is male or female or something else?

 

[Alley_Cat]

Who knows if the developer is male or female or something else?

Male, from Germany. Apparently named Jose Hernandez or similar.

 

[Chucked_Sandwich]

Confident that the developer is a sloth.

 

[Jude6]

Maybe it has something to do with the concert event? You have to consider that the concert is not the actual event, but what takes place afterwards. Sophia, Ellie and Patricia will go there together by car to watch his performance. I don't think Sophia will stay there alone after the concert, do you? For what reason? And what would Ellie and Patricia think? Maybe the telescope comes into play then? She goes to the balcony, she knows he's watching her and slowly undresses for him and they both masturbate to climax? Other idea?

I don't know, the Concert is going to be a bit of the event. Has L&P said it isn't the event?

Obviously not the whole thing, Sam & Sophia can't talk to each other when he's on stage playing - but if you think L&P isn't going to take the opportunity to have Sam on-stage singing (is he the vocalist?) some song about falling in love the beauty next door, Sophia thinks he's talking about Ellie, but then she notices he's been staring right at her the whole song...
Would be fucking sweeeet.

I just can't see L&P going to the trouble of taking 4 central characters out to a new location, then not doing anything with them while they're there.
The inclusion of Ellie and Patricia is a nice touch - Sam invited Sophia, then Sophia crushes him by turning it into a group thing. She invites Ellie because of course Sam is totally into her, and Patricia can be there for Sophia to disappear with, leaving Ellie and Sam alone after the performance - when in reality it will be Sam and Sophia pairing off while Patricia and Ellie distract each other from whatever Sophia gets up to.

It's too early for predictions of that scene, but at the very least Sam is going to be driving Sophia home in his cool new ride, meaning at least some of the event will take place in Sam's car. Maybe they park out front of the house, maybe somewhere else for Sophia to get some air after drinking a little too much.

But there is clear logic behind the notion of Sophia and Sam using that window view for some mutual masturbation. Probably not on day 12 (Liam will be home after all), but maybe sometime. The last Sam+Sophia scene literally ends with the narrator going:
"Sophia still wasn't clear on whether Sam had seen her touching herself or not... It was strange, but somehow deep inside Sophia kind of wished that he had been watching her. No, she hoped it."

Honestly, October can't come soon enough.

 

[Punctured Lemon]

You know what's gonna happen to sofia if she married Carl instead of Liam. She is going be the Sofie Turner

 

[Alley_Cat]

I don't know, the Concert is going to be a bit of the event. Has L&P said it isn't the event?

Obviously not the whole thing, Sam & Sophia can't talk to each other when he's on stage playing - but if you think L&P isn't going to take the opportunity to have Sam on-stage singing (is he the vocalist?) some song about falling in love the beauty next door, Sophia thinks he's talking about Ellie, but then she notices he's been staring right at her the whole song...
Would be fucking sweeeet.

I just can't see L&P going to the trouble of taking 4 central characters out to a new location, then not doing anything with them while they're there.
The inclusion of Ellie and Patricia is a nice touch - Sam invited Sophia, then Sophia crushes him by turning it into a group thing. She invites Ellie because of course Sam is totally into her, and Patricia can be there for Sophia to disappear with, leaving Ellie and Sam alone after the performance - when in reality it will be Sam and Sophia pairing off while Patricia and Ellie distract each other from whatever Sophia gets up to.

It's too early for predictions of that scene, but at the very least Sam is going to be driving Sophia home in his cool new ride, meaning at least some of the event will take place in Sam's car. Maybe they park out front of the house, maybe somewhere else for Sophia to get some air after drinking a little too much.

But there is clear logic behind the notion of Sophia and Sam using that window view for some mutual masturbation. Probably not on day 12 (Liam will be home after all), but maybe sometime. The last Sam+Sophia scene literally ends with the narrator going:
"Sophia still wasn't clear on whether Sam had seen her touching herself or not... It was strange, but somehow deep inside Sophia kind of wished that he had been watching her. No, she hoped it."

Honestly, October can't come soon enough.

The thing I find curious about the concert, that even on the Ellie route, you don't get the choice for Ellie to attend or not. If you have enough Sam points, she comes along.

And that still, Dylan seems to be snubbed.

 

[Scarlet56]

I don't know, the Concert is going to be a bit of the event. Has L&P said it isn't the event?

Obviously not the whole thing, Sam & Sophia can't talk to each other when he's on stage playing - but if you think L&P isn't going to take the opportunity to have Sam on-stage singing (is he the vocalist?) some song about falling in love the beauty next door, Sophia thinks he's talking about Ellie, but then she notices he's been staring right at her the whole song...
Would be fucking sweeeet.

I just can't see L&P going to the trouble of taking 4 central characters out to a new location, then not doing anything with them while they're there.
The inclusion of Ellie and Patricia is a nice touch - Sam invited Sophia, then Sophia crushes him by turning it into a group thing. She invites Ellie because of course Sam is totally into her, and Patricia can be there for Sophia to disappear with, leaving Ellie and Sam alone after the performance - when in reality it will be Sam and Sophia pairing off while Patricia and Ellie distract each other from whatever Sophia gets up to.

It's too early for predictions of that scene, but at the very least Sam is going to be driving Sophia home in his cool new ride, meaning at least some of the event will take place in Sam's car. Maybe they park out front of the house, maybe somewhere else for Sophia to get some air after drinking a little too much.

But there is clear logic behind the notion of Sophia and Sam using that window view for some mutual masturbation. Probably not on day 12 (Liam will be home after all), but maybe sometime. The last Sam+Sophia scene literally ends with the narrator going:
"Sophia still wasn't clear on whether Sam had seen her touching herself or not... It was strange, but somehow deep inside Sophia kind of wished that he had been watching her. No, she hoped it."

Honestly, October can't come soon enough.

Or maybe the first kiss stolen between Sam and Sophia in the car. (with the help of alcohol or Sam's song or both).
A relaxed atmosphere in the car, one more confidence from Sam towards Sophia ...
All that could help with the first kiss why not.

 

[nexer]

Sophia always was the prude one. Patricia was 12 years old and already riding stallions. Sophia 17 yo.


So I don't necessarily see Liam's fault in her late sexual awakening.

 

[Scarlet56]

The thing I find curious about the concert, that even on the Ellie route, you don't get the choice for Ellie to attend or not. If you have enough Sam points, she comes along.

And that still, Dylan seems to be snubbed.

Ellie is already with Julia and Logan, is that right?
So the concert would be an attempt to establish a Sam / Ellie relationship? It would be weird.

If Patricia and Ellie are going to the concert, it may be to "push" Sophia to go to Sam.

When you think back to the club night, Patricia wasn't really mad at Sophia for letting go of Tyler.
When they talk about it back home.
And Ellie can understand Sophia, seeing as she now knows the issues with Liam.
They may therefore be there to prevent Sophia from thinking too much and then after all, it is only a kiss.
What do you think ?

And then if I remember correctly, Sam was disappointed to hear that Sophia would invite people.

 

[Hlextor]

Or maybe the first kiss stolen between Sam and Sophia in the car. (with the help of alcohol or Sam's song or both).
A relaxed atmosphere in the car, one more confidence from Sam towards Sophia ...
All that could help with the first kiss why not.

Yes, could be. But for what reason should Sophia tell Ellie and Patricia that she is staying with Sam and driving home with him? Even Patricia would be amazed, wouldn't she?

 

[nexer]

When you think back to the club night, Patricia wasn't really mad at Sophia for letting go of Tyler.
When they talk about it back home.

My impression is that Patricia showed up on purpose and wanted to stop Sophia.
I don't think after the kiss between the two of them, Patricia would want to "share" her with Tyler.