VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Poser_Voyeur]

In 4 events, same as Alyssa. Nat's taken 5 events so far. L&P can pace events to have a reasonable time-frame but not be the glacial burn of the Dylan route.

Liam did seem nonplussed that Sophia and Ellie were sharing a shower, and rather excited that Sophia might be sleeping with Nathalie and offering a threesome.

I have now played quite a few family corruption games, with both male and female MC's and playing routes with both lesbian and hetero LI's.

To me it make sense that Alyssa, Nat and Jules are able to progress more quickly than Patricia and Ellie, and that Patricia is able to progress quicker than Ellie. Alyyssa, Nat and Jules are all attractive, unmarried, and all are neither a pupil or family member of Sophia. IMO, it is more of a societal taboo to have sex with your adult sister than your teenage daughter,

It also makes sense that Sam is able to progress thing quicker than Zac, who in turn is able to progress things quicker than Dylan. Sam is just a neighbour, Zac is a pupil, Dylan is her son.

And it makes sense that the girls have made more progress than the boys, as penetrative sex is more of a big deal.

So given that (eventually) I would like to see several people have sex with Sophia (across all the various routes), I have no problem that Dylan is making slower progress than Ellie.....etc

I don't want to use the "realism" word but it is certainly more believable than those VN/games where by Chapter Two the son is fucking the mother!! If that means hthat it is labelled "glacial burn" then fair enough.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

is there an chance to get update this weekend '?'

that would be so fucking nice¨¨¨!!

Yes - when hell freezes over!!

 

[Deleted member 3516371]

And, I believe both husbands have day jobs and kids have school, so why not just hit the back yard, the pool, the living room, Sam's treehouse?

Yeah really but i like to see Ellie have sex with Patricia and Ellie have sex with Dylan

 

[ashitanojoe]

In regards to the claims that he works 11 hours on the game per day.

I don't believe it either, but I'll point out that working on the game doesn't necessarily mean progress is being made. I figure that he is the type that'd create several images, only to delete them and start over again. So, while he may only produce 5 renders per day that'll actually be in the game, he really makes double if not triple that. He just deletes them when they're not perfectly what he wanted. That is the only thing that makes sense, according to some posters here his PC can render in minutes. He should be able get 5 renders out in 1 hour, let alone 11 hours.

This game is just very inefficient from a development perspective at pretty much every turn.

To be fair, L&P isn't even the slower dev doing renders here. I have seen several devs who try to deliver great quality being even slower than him. I saw you in False Hero thread, for example, and that dev is slower than L&P, he makes great renders too, even with better lighting, although he doesn't work the characters' poses and expressions that much and he doesn't creat NPC, animations, nor outside scenes and he doesn't put sounds neither.

Stoper, the dev of Jessica O'neil, is also slower than L&P, he delivers less renders per update, like the half. The one from Bad Memories is that slow too, even when those renders are inferior in quality and he doesn't create many NPC (although he says he doesn't have the fastest machines). The dev from Become a Rockstar ins't too fast neither, although he delivers a lot more animations. The dev from Anna takes his time too, despite his renders are not as delailed as these ones.

I would say that the big exceptions of devs who deliver renders of pretty good quality in a decent time are DrPinkcake, DecentMonkey and the one from Treasure of Nadia.

As you can see, he is basically as slow as the most of the devs doing renders of similar quality, the principal difference is that he creates a lot more renders per event, in my opinion unnecessarily. The other devs can deliver a full day in 500 renders, instead, he created 1000 for the third part of the day (And many unnecessary dialogs too). That's why the other stories progress and this one doesn't. I'm planning writing a post showing some of the unnecessary renders that he creates in some simple scenes, that at the end means a lot of wasting time.

 

[Drinkolvi]

Have the previous updates been published in the same day of the week? I'm just wondering if we could expect the update to come out on a certain day or does the dev simply publish updates whenever they are ready?

 

[Alley_Cat]

Have the previous updates been published in the same day of the week? I'm just wondering if we could expect the update to come out on a certain day or does the dev simply publish updates whenever they are ready?

Whenever it's ready

 

[Tyger Tyger]

I also had on topic posts deleted for being off topic.
I am starting to suspect that Dylan has something to do with it.

Check your politics at the door. This is an oligarchy, not a democracy.

 

[XaGnard]

To be fair, L&P isn't even the slower dev doing renders here. I have seen several devs who try to deliver great quality being even slower than him. I saw you in False Hero thread, for example, and that dev is slower than L&P, he makes great renders too, even with better lighting, although he doesn't work the characters' poses and expressions that much and he doesn't creat NPC, animations, nor outside scenes and he doesn't put sounds neither.

Stoper, the dev of Jessica O'neil, is also slower than L&P, he delivers less renders per update, like the half. The one from Bad Memories is that slow too, even when those renders are inferior in quality and he doesn't create many NPC (although he says he doesn't have the fastest machines). The dev from Become a Rockstar ins't too fast neither, although he delivers a lot more animations. The dev from Anna takes his time too, despite his renders are not as delailed as these ones.

I would say that the big exceptions of devs who deliver renders of pretty good quality in a decent time are DrPinkcake, DecentMonkey and the one from Treasure of Nadia.

As you can see, he is basically as slow as the most of the devs doing renders of similar quality, the principal difference is that he creates a lot more renders per event, in my opinion unnecessarily. The other devs can deliver a full day in 500 renders, instead, he created 1000 for the third part of the day (And many unnecessary dialogs too). That's why the other stories progress and this one doesn't. I'm planning writing a post showing some of the unnecessary renders that he creates in some simple scenes, that at the end means a lot of wasting time.

The issue is not the number of images that are created in a given period of time, but the progress in the story. L&P gets lost in side stories. At the current pace, with about 1/3 game day in half a year, it would take him another 20-30 years to complete the envisioned 30 game days.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

To be fair, L&P isn't even the slower dev doing renders here. I have seen several devs who try to deliver great quality being even slower than him. I saw you in False Hero thread, for example, and that dev is slower than L&P, he makes great renders too, even with better lighting, although he doesn't work the characters' poses and expressions that much and he doesn't creat NPC, animations, nor outside scenes and he doesn't put sounds neither.

Stoper, the dev of Jessica O'neil, is also slower than L&P, he delivers less renders per update, like the half. The one from Bad Memories is that slow too, even when those renders are inferior in quality and he doesn't create many NPC (although he says he doesn't have the fastest machines). The dev from Become a Rockstar ins't too fast neither, although he delivers a lot more animations. The dev from Anna takes his time too, despite his renders are not as delailed as these ones.

I would say that the big exceptions of devs who deliver renders of pretty good quality in a decent time are DrPinkcake, DecentMonkey and the one from Treasure of Nadia.

As you can see, he is basically as slow as the most of the devs doing renders of similar quality, the principal difference is that he creates a lot more renders per event, in my opinion unnecessarily. The other devs can deliver a full day in 500 renders, instead, he created 1000 for the third part of the day (And many unnecessary dialogs too). That's why the other stories progress and this one doesn't. I'm planning writing a post showing some of the unnecessary renders that he creates in some simple scenes, that at the end means a lot of wasting time.

It's good to get some rational comparison between various games and various developers, without people get all emotional about devs they either like or hate. We also have to factor in that some Devs are a team, some work solo. Some have a dedicated office, some work on the sofa. Some render full time, some render part time in between job/studies etc.

Then you add in the (oft-disputed) quality of various renders, the benefits or not of animations, the benefits or not of sounds and / or voice acting, the benefits or not of Ren'Py and RPGM.....

In general a lot of what you said makes sense. I have said before that I enjoy L&P's renders but am growing increasingly concerned about his (apparent lack of) Project Management Skills, ability to plan and seeming ever diminishing returns on his time in his never ending quest for perfection.

We have discussed many times any possibility or areas where L&P could and/or should look for external assistance, but that he seems unwilling and/or unable to find suitable options. We have also discussed streamlining the storyline, either by eliminating extraneous characters and/or scenes, or tightening up the dialogue and reducing what we feel are unnecessary renders.

The issue is that you may come up with long lists or examples of what you / we regard as unnecessary renders. The issue is that L&P is an artist, with his own style. My concern is what will you accomplish by this post showing some of the unnecessary renders, other than potentially pissing L&P off. Is it going to get him to change his art style? Is L&P going to read your post and have a personal epiphany?? I suspect not!!

All can hope at the moment is that V130 does push the story forward in a meaningful way. And that the Patreons are able to put pressure on L&P to improve his planning and scheduling of both overall scenes and individual renders. We need to get back to updates closer to every three months.

 

[Deleted member 1023239]

i hope aiden blackmail didn't cause sophia to be another saki from emergence : Metamorphosis 177013

 

[Sonny86]

It's good to get some rational comparison between various games and various developers, without people get all emotional about devs they either like or hate. We also have to factor in that some Devs are a team, some work solo. Some have a dedicated office, some work on the sofa. Some render full time, some render part time in between job/studies etc.

Then you add in the (oft-disputed) quality of various renders, the benefits or not of animations, the benefits or not of sounds and / or voice acting, the benefits or not of Ren'Py and RPGM.....

In general a lot of what you said makes sense. I have said before that I enjoy L&P's renders but am growing increasingly concerned about his (apparent lack of) Project Management Skills, ability to plan and seeming ever diminishing returns on his time in his never ending quest for perfection.

We have discussed many times any possibility or areas where L&P could and/or should look for external assistance, but that he seems unwilling and/or unable to find suitable options. We have also discussed streamlining the storyline, either by eliminating extraneous characters and/or scenes, or tightening up the dialogue and reducing what we feel are unnecessary renders.

The issue is that you may come up with long lists or examples of what you / we regard as unnecessary renders. The issue is that L&P is an artist, with his own style. My concern is what will you accomplish by this post showing some of the unnecessary renders, other than potentially pissing L&P off. Is it going to get him to change his art style? Is L&P going to read your post and have a personal epiphany?? I suspect not!!

All can hope at the moment is that V130 does push the story forward in a meaningful way. And that the Patreons are able to put pressure on L&P to improve his planning and scheduling of both overall scenes and individual renders. We need to get back to updates closer to every three months.

I would like to see at least 3 a year!! More than 1/2 a day each!!!

 

[Bane71]

To be fair, L&P isn't even the slower dev doing renders here. I have seen several devs who try to deliver great quality being even slower than him. I saw you in False Hero thread, for example, and that dev is slower than L&P, he makes great renders too, even with better lighting, although he doesn't work the characters' poses and expressions that much and he doesn't creat NPC, animations, nor outside scenes and he doesn't put sounds neither.

Stoper, the dev of Jessica O'neil, is also slower than L&P, he delivers less renders per update, like the half. The one from Bad Memories is that slow too, even when those renders are inferior in quality and he doesn't create many NPC (although he says he doesn't have the fastest machines). The dev from Become a Rockstar ins't too fast neither, although he delivers a lot more animations. The dev from Anna takes his time too, despite his renders are not as delailed as these ones.

I would say that the big exceptions of devs who deliver renders of pretty good quality in a decent time are DrPinkcake, DecentMonkey and the one from Treasure of Nadia.

As you can see, he is basically as slow as the most of the devs doing renders of similar quality, the principal difference is that he creates a lot more renders per event, in my opinion unnecessarily. The other devs can deliver a full day in 500 renders, instead, he created 1000 for the third part of the day (And many unnecessary dialogs too). That's why the other stories progress and this one doesn't. I'm planning writing a post showing some of the unnecessary renders that he creates in some simple scenes, that at the end means a lot of wasting time.

A huge number of people noted that AWAM is a unique, special game. If L&P relieves AWAM of "unnecessary" renders and dialogues, AWAM will turn into an ordinary porn game, of which there are many on the Internet, which will kill a lot of interest in it.

 

[Old Dog]

is there an chance to get update this weekend '?'

that would be so fucking nice¨¨¨!!

Nope

 

[Deleted member 3516371]

Nope

NO How would you know

 

[maybes4]

NO How would you know

Because he has been a fan since 2017

 

[lockerxx]

is there an chance to get update this weekend '?'

that would be so fucking nice¨¨¨!!

maybe worst case tuesday!!!

 

[love me787878]

Can anyone post all the teasers of this next update, thanks!

 

[Old Dog]

maybe worst case tuesday!!!

Yea Monday could be good

 

[capt ackerman]

Can anyone post all the teasers of this next update, thanks!

NURSING HOME:


A little preliminary talk before it starts:


A "tutoring date" made by Sophia Parker:


Let's choose a wedding dress for the bride-to-be:



Trying on the bridal gown (lil bonus teaser):


Want a ride, baby? (Aiden event):



Sophia ready for the ride:


The drive into the unknown:


IF YOUR EYES CAN UNDERSTAND:

 

[Talcum Powder]

A huge number of people noted that AWAM is a unique, special game. If L&P relieves AWAM of "unnecessary" renders and dialogues, AWAM will turn into an ordinary porn game, of which there are many on the Internet, which will kill a lot of interest in it.

I'd argue that a more sure path to irrelevance is having everyone wait another nine years before we get down to the serious business.