Jude6

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... by contracting a coder, translator, and a team member to just do the rendering. L&P could control the story, all the scene creation and Photoshop. The crux would be if he sat down and actually wrote the whole story (update) before working it...
100% agree that he could save time in future by taking time now to just sit down and write out the whole story start to finish, at least a rough draft.
The problem with hiring help though - coder & translator aside - he'll never hire someone to do rendering because the rendering is the part he likes the most, moreso than actually telling the story.
Why else would he thumb through 500 complaints (here and on Patreon) about 'Update taking too long' and respond with 'Good news guys, I've finally fixed the problem of how to make the renders look even better'.
Unfortunately for us, he's managed to carve out a paying fanbase on Patreon who applaud his pursuit for higher visual fidelity at the expense of time.
 

Bane71

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Jack provides me a better understanding of all the designing here for someone who is so not an artist. What this all gets down to with L&P though is production rate, or lack thereof, considering his promises in the past.

I believe that the control issue, we all are fairly certain is at the core of L&P's issues, is solved by contracting a coder, translator, and a team member to just do the rendering. L&P could control the story, all the scene creation and Photoshop. The crux would be if he sat down and actually wrote the whole story (update) before working it. The coding and translation moves to parallel with scene creation and the rendering adds only a small lag as it is also in parallel. Will he do this? Who wants to hold their breath?:giggle:
We can talk and argue about this forever, but this does not change the fact that the creation of AWAM is primarily a creative work! This means that for the creator, for L&P, at least at this stage, the result is more important than the amount of time spent for this. That's why we call him a perfectionist.
Again, we can afford to give different assessments of the work and human qualities of L&P, but I have never heard in my life that someone leaving the cinema was outraged that several years were spent on creating a film, and the viewing lasted only 1 hour!
In the case of L&P, this happens all the time.

Every time I explain that the critics are not always right, they accuse me and call me an agent of L&P, but I'm just trying to point out that we criticize L&P are absolutely limitless in the criteria of criticism, but we consider it permissible and require L&P to correspond to a very narrow framework of our preferences. Accordingly, each of us has our own evaluation criteria.

That is why I urge us not to be so categorical in our criticism, but unfortunately, these simple judgments of mine are not clear to some people.
 

Jack Adams

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Could be some skinny dipping in the Parkers pool possibly?!!
Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the two scenarios were combined? I have long felt that a good follow-up to the swimming lesson scene would be a skinny dip shared by Sophia and Sam. It would be moonlit and romantic using the same palate as we saw in the dream sequence Sam relayed to Sophia, and would include the foreshadowing of Sophia defrocking for Sam with him alone as the audience. So...what if Sam and Sophia do have the skinny dipping scene, and it is made clear that the Robinsons are home next door? Taking this a step farther and Liam comes home to take Sophia to Andy and Cathy's. There is no place to go to change quickly into the swimsuits except for the treehouse. While in the treehouse Sam and Sophia share a boob fondling kiss before re-frocking only to emerge innocently clad in swimwear from the backyard to meet Liam in the kitchen.
I'd buy that for a dollar!
 
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Bishop Robert

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Haven't been active here in past few weeks, any news or teasers?

Or if you have the page number for anything new that would also be appreciated.
 

t3alqdansam

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We can talk and argue about this forever, but this does not change the fact that the creation of AWAM is primarily a creative work! This means that for the creator, for L&P, at least at this stage, the result is more important than the amount of time spent for this. That's why we call him a perfectionist.
Again, we can afford to give different assessments of the work and human qualities of L&P, but I have never heard in my life that someone leaving the cinema was outraged that several years were spent on creating a film, and the viewing lasted only 1 hour!
In the case of L&P, this happens all the time.

Every time I explain that the critics are not always right, they accuse me and call me an agent of L&P, but I'm just trying to point out that we criticize L&P are absolutely limitless in the criteria of criticism, but we consider it permissible and require L&P to correspond to a very narrow framework of our preferences. Accordingly, each of us has our own evaluation criteria.

That is why I urge us not to be so categorical in our criticism, but unfortunately, these simple judgments of mine are not clear to some people.
Sorry Bane71 but, this does not float. I have walked out of movies that were crap and had big name actors. I have simply selected the news channel or OFF instead of watch some crap on the tube. Millions spent on the production. How many remember the movie Jabberwocky? The concern here is not his artistic ability or desire. The concern is he is unaware (being nice here) of the time frame he is in for completing this work. This is not the Sistine Chapel and he sure ain't Michelangelo. But if we are to see an actual story fulfilled (other than some more fap items) he will have to increase production rate. As an individual it will be difficult but, he can increase some with a bit of project management. (Complete the written element would be a start.) If he gets a team it may, repeat, may be achievable. Any other result starts to justify Viper-whatever rants that I guess are the same as in April.:)
 

PaxHadrian17

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I feel pretty much everything wrong with what you said.

Sophia does not see Dylan as a man because he is her SON. No mother sees her son as man just because he is good at sports, or got 3 goals or sneaked in a kiss. That kiss didn't even last a second, what passion would be in it.

All of this happened at a very initial phase of the Dylan route, where Sophia only saw him as her son. It is After the bikini event Sophia started seeing that her son can also be mature and not just a whining boy.

People who believe Dylan's personality changed all of a sudden and it was unrealistic. How much do we know Dylan's character. Do people really believe they can decide for sure who is what based on a mere character introduction and few short scenes. We all thought Ellie to be the kind who is sexually active and has probably had sex with many guys seeing how she was all making out Infront of her mother with a guy she just met. Then comes the revelation that she is a virgin. So just assuming what Dylan is based on the initial days of the game and calling anything new about the character as poorly written or incorrect is not right.

When he stood up for her against the hobos it finally tipped the scale towards Dylan being recognised as a man by her.
It would be the case for any mother, the difference would be a normal mother won't think sexually about this but Sophia's thought are a bit leaning towards that.

There has been gradual progression and no out of nowhere huge event for Dylan. Slowly and steadily things have moved and I just don't understand why most people consider even the smallest if things as a sign of something huge.

They stop thinking like an actual human but more like the characters of the porn game, making a mountain out if molehill, with only how every word could mean that the dev is insinuating sex between two characters.
I am fine with a healthy debate and agree or disagree - it's all good.

This is an erotic novel where incest is part of the story - we just don't know all the specifics yet since this is L&Ps story to tell. Potential storylines include:
between two sisters (Sophia and Patricia)
between mother and daughter (Sophia and Ellie)
between mother and son (Sophia and Dylan)

Saying that no mother looks at her son as a man in real life is not true but it is far less common now - and certainly not acceptable in present day mainstream Western society (at least the thought process that sees the son as not just a man but as a potential sex partner). There were times when it was more common and acceptable (powerful families and dynasties kept things in the family through intermarriage to preserve power and wealth, for example).

Let's set that aside though.

You don't make any argument that incest is not going to happen, but you are trying to use real life societal norms to explain Sophia's thoughts and feelings when she is clearly on a path to some number of incestuous relationships.

Did Sophia get jealous of Amber's attention and affection for Dylan at the end of the chicken fight? YES! (and this is where the Sophia/Dylan path had ended so it makes much more sense for her to Not have those feelings here - since she effectively rejected any incestuous relationship with Dylan by going the boarding school route).

So why not have something similar or showing even more jealousy for the Sophia/Dylan path?

Where are the other bread crumbs that lead up to Hobo fight?

L&P has created a branching story including two Dylan paths and he could have added in, with almost no effort, Sophia's introspection where she starts to see Dylan as a man, ahead of the boarding school decision that continues or ends the Sophia/Dylan path. Sophia's story is Not mainstream real life - so saying that she would not have those thoughts is imposing a mainstream world view on a family well outside the mainstream view of what family means - it is a non sequitur, it does not follow. I recognize it is not what you want given how you view the story but that does not invalidate my stated perspective just because I see it differently.

Sophia could have rejected any thoughts of how hot Dylan's soccer moves were ahead of the boarding school decision, seeing only how he is growing into a man.

Once she decided to keep him in school (rejecting boarding school and continuing with the Sophia/Dylan path), other chances to view Dylan as a man and to see some of what he is doing as 'hot' would not be always be rejected because her thought process would be evolving.

I believe that minimal additional story-telling work by L&P could have laid a better trail of bread crumbs (showing her changing perspective) to the Hobo defense event than it did.

He could have simply used existing renders with added introspection to capture the change in her perspective.

(This is yet another place where L&P could have used the opinion of a trusted advisor, in this case to help refine AWAM's story and improve the Sophia/Dylan story arc.)

I stand by my view that the Hobo defense was too much like a magic switch versus the character evolution we are seeing with other Sophia relationships.
 

Hlextor

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I am fine with a healthy debate and agree or disagree - it's all good.

This is an erotic novel where incest is part of the story - we just don't know all the specifics yet since this is L&Ps story to tell. Potential storylines include:
between two sisters (Sophia and Patricia)
between mother and daughter (Sophia and Ellie)
between mother and son (Sophia and Dylan)

Saying that no mother looks at her son as a man in real life is not true but it is far less common now - and certainly not acceptable in present day mainstream Western society (at least the thought process that sees the son as not just a man but as a potential sex partner). There were times when it was more common and acceptable (powerful families and dynasties kept things in the family through intermarriage to preserve power and wealth, for example).

Let's set that aside though.

You don't make any argument that incest is not going to happen, but you are trying to use real life societal norms to explain Sophia's thoughts and feelings when she is clearly on a path to some number of incestuous relationships.

Did Sophia get jealous of Amber's attention and affection for Dylan at the end of the chicken fight? YES! (and this is where the Sophia/Dylan path had ended so it makes much more sense for her to Not have those feelings here - since she effectively rejected any incestuous relationship with Dylan by going the boarding school route).

So why not have something similar or showing even more jealousy for the Sophia/Dylan path?

Where are the other bread crumbs that lead up to Hobo fight?

L&P has created a branching story including two Dylan paths and he could have added in, with almost no effort, Sophia's introspection where she starts to see Dylan as a man, ahead of the boarding school decision that continues or ends the Sophia/Dylan path. Sophia's story is Not mainstream real life - so saying that she would not have those thoughts is imposing a mainstream world view on a family well outside the mainstream view of what family means - it is a non sequitur, it does not follow. I recognize it is not what you want given how you view the story but that does not invalidate my stated perspective just because I see it differently.

Sophia could have rejected any thoughts of how hot Dylan's soccer moves were ahead of the boarding school decision, seeing only how he is growing into a man.

Once she decided to keep him in school (rejecting boarding school and continuing with the Sophia/Dylan path), other chances to view Dylan as a man and to see some of what he is doing as 'hot' would not be always be rejected because her thought process would be evolving.

I believe that minimal additional story-telling work by L&P could have laid a better trail of bread crumbs (showing her changing perspective) to the Hobo defense event than it did.

He could have simply used existing renders with added introspection to capture the change in her perspective.

(This is yet another place where L&P could have used the opinion of a trusted advisor, in this case to help refine AWAM's story and improve the Sophia/Dylan story arc.)

I stand by my view that the Hobo defense was too much like a magic switch versus the character evolution we are seeing with other Sophia relationships.
He could also use Alyssa and Zac to break down Sophia's resistance to an incestuous relationship with Dylan. I suspect that Alyssa and Zac also have an incestuous relationship. But he is unlikely to implement this proposal/idea, unfortunately.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

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He could also use Alyssa and Zac to break down Sophia's resistance to an incestuous relationship with Dylan. I suspect that Alyssa and Zac also have an incestuous relationship. But he is unlikely to implement this proposal/idea, unfortunately.
He could have used the Yoga event as well. The way Patricia was looking at him and her actions. Plus, she made comments about Dylan looking at Sophia and her. He could have build off of that as well. But as you said, Alyssa and Zac would be better suited for this theme.
 

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I am fine with a healthy debate and agree or disagree - it's all good.



This is an erotic novel where incest is part of the story - we just don't know all the specifics yet since this is L&Ps story to tell. Potential storylines include:

between two sisters (Sophia and Patricia)

between mother and daughter (Sophia and Ellie)

between mother and son (Sophia and Dylan)



Saying that no mother looks at her son as a man in real life is not true but it is far less common now - and certainly not acceptable in present day mainstream Western society (at least the thought process that sees the son as not just a man but as a potential sex partner). There were times when it was more common and acceptable (powerful families and dynasties kept things in the family through intermarriage to preserve power and wealth, for example).



Let's set that aside though.



You don't make any argument that incest is not going to happen, but you are trying to use real life societal norms to explain Sophia's thoughts and feelings when she is clearly on a path to some number of incestuous relationships.



Did Sophia get jealous of Amber's attention and affection for Dylan at the end of the chicken fight? YES! (and this is where the Sophia/Dylan path had ended so it makes much more sense for her to Not have those feelings here - since she effectively rejected any incestuous relationship with Dylan by going the boarding school route).



So why not have something similar or showing even more jealousy for the Sophia/Dylan path?



Where are the other bread crumbs that lead up to Hobo fight?



L&P has created a branching story including two Dylan paths and he could have added in, with almost no effort, Sophia's introspection where she starts to see Dylan as a man, ahead of the boarding school decision that continues or ends the Sophia/Dylan path. Sophia's story is Not mainstream real life - so saying that she would not have those thoughts is imposing a mainstream world view on a family well outside the mainstream view of what family means - it is a non sequitur, it does not follow. I recognize it is not what you want given how you view the story but that does not invalidate my stated perspective just because I see it differently.



Sophia could have rejected any thoughts of how hot Dylan's soccer moves were ahead of the boarding school decision, seeing only how he is growing into a man.



Once she decided to keep him in school (rejecting boarding school and continuing with the Sophia/Dylan path), other chances to view Dylan as a man and to see some of what he is doing as 'hot' would not be always be rejected because her thought process would be evolving.



I believe that minimal additional story-telling work by L&P could have laid a better trail of bread crumbs (showing her changing perspective) to the Hobo defense event than it did.



He could have simply used existing renders with added introspection to capture the change in her perspective.



(This is yet another place where L&P could have used the opinion of a trusted advisor, in this case to help refine AWAM's story and improve the Sophia/Dylan story arc.)



I stand by my view that the Hobo defense was too much like a magic switch versus the character evolution we are seeing with other Sophia relationships.
I did say in my lines that a mother can look at her son as a man but almost always it is in a non sexual way. The societal norms do play a part as well in the story, since this is no logic less porno, the effort is to project Sophia as a real human. If societal norms were to be completely ignored them this game wouldn't have been the slowburn it is. The mother son sex scene would have happened a lot earlier in the game just like it happens in others.

She is on the path of being in numerous incest relationships but back then the corruption was not enough for her to have acknowledged Dylan as a man just because he is good at sports etc. That's my point, the beach changing room event, the trial room event, the bikini event, and then the changing with Dylan in the house, clearly shows progression of how Sophia is acknowledging more and more though for the sex ed theme. On day 19 after the fight all those feelings that are building towards Dylan tipped for a second towards her seeing Dylan as a potential partner. But that was only for a brief second, no flip switch. Sophia thought about it a gang bang as well but doesn't mean if she is presented with guys then she would actually do it. A lot of things as person you think about but with absolutely no intention of actually making it a reality in that moment. Dylan's thought in her mind didn't even last a second. So no big issue is there to be made to begin with.

The amber scene, Well you see it as being jealous, but that's not the case. Sophia's dialogue if you read is along the lines of "Is amber trying to flirt with my son". No mother will actually be very happy with that scenario, but the line is no way projects jealousy, it only projects a curiosity as to what is amber trying to do. Ofcourse if Sophia were to make a move on Sam Infront of amber she would also be curious and a bit worried about what is Sophia trying to do. So there's no mistake on the path there
 

Jack Adams

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I am fine with a healthy debate and agree or disagree - it's all good.

This is an erotic novel where incest is part of the story - we just don't know all the specifics yet since this is L&Ps story to tell. Potential storylines include:
between two sisters (Sophia and Patricia)
between mother and daughter (Sophia and Ellie)
between mother and son (Sophia and Dylan)

Saying that no mother looks at her son as a man in real life is not true but it is far less common now - and certainly not acceptable in present day mainstream Western society (at least the thought process that sees the son as not just a man but as a potential sex partner). There were times when it was more common and acceptable (powerful families and dynasties kept things in the family through intermarriage to preserve power and wealth, for example).

Let's set that aside though.

You don't make any argument that incest is not going to happen, but you are trying to use real life societal norms to explain Sophia's thoughts and feelings when she is clearly on a path to some number of incestuous relationships.

Did Sophia get jealous of Amber's attention and affection for Dylan at the end of the chicken fight? YES! (and this is where the Sophia/Dylan path had ended so it makes much more sense for her to Not have those feelings here - since she effectively rejected any incestuous relationship with Dylan by going the boarding school route).

So why not have something similar or showing even more jealousy for the Sophia/Dylan path?

Where are the other bread crumbs that lead up to Hobo fight?

L&P has created a branching story including two Dylan paths and he could have added in, with almost no effort, Sophia's introspection where she starts to see Dylan as a man, ahead of the boarding school decision that continues or ends the Sophia/Dylan path. Sophia's story is Not mainstream real life - so saying that she would not have those thoughts is imposing a mainstream world view on a family well outside the mainstream view of what family means - it is a non sequitur, it does not follow. I recognize it is not what you want given how you view the story but that does not invalidate my stated perspective just because I see it differently.

Sophia could have rejected any thoughts of how hot Dylan's soccer moves were ahead of the boarding school decision, seeing only how he is growing into a man.

Once she decided to keep him in school (rejecting boarding school and continuing with the Sophia/Dylan path), other chances to view Dylan as a man and to see some of what he is doing as 'hot' would not be always be rejected because her thought process would be evolving.

I believe that minimal additional story-telling work by L&P could have laid a better trail of bread crumbs (showing her changing perspective) to the Hobo defense event than it did.

He could have simply used existing renders with added introspection to capture the change in her perspective.

(This is yet another place where L&P could have used the opinion of a trusted advisor, in this case to help refine AWAM's story and improve the Sophia/Dylan story arc.)

I stand by my view that the Hobo defense was too much like a magic switch versus the character evolution we are seeing with other Sophia relationships.
This is a well thought out reply. The Sophia and Dylan jogging scene replete with an impossible Dylan affection threshold, a sudden increase in Dylan confidence and the hobo smackdown feels like a repeatable scene we have seen in other games. The kind of scene that is introduced knowing that the first time you see it you can't yet have it and you grind for affection points in order to obtain the repeatable event. By the time the player does have the affection points the confidence, Sophia's reactions and smackdown ability makes sense.
L&P has never put a grind element in his game before and I am not really suggesting that this scene must be one, but it sure feels like one.
 
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Hlextor

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I did say in my lines that a mother can look at her son as a man but almost always it is in a non sexual way. The societal norms do play a part as well in the story, since this is no logic less porno, the effort is to project Sophia as a real human. If societal norms were to be completely ignored them this game wouldn't have been the slowburn it is. The mother son sex scene would have happened a lot earlier in the game just like it happens in others.

She is on the path of being in numerous incest relationships but back then the corruption was not enough for her to have acknowledged Dylan as a man just because he is good at sports etc. That's my point, the beach changing room event, the trial room event, the bikini event, and then the changing with Dylan in the house, clearly shows progression of how Sophia is acknowledging more and more though for the sex ed theme. On day 19 after the fight all those feelings that are building towards Dylan tipped for a second towards her seeing Dylan as a potential partner. But that was only for a brief second, no flip switch. Sophia thought about it a gang bang as well but doesn't mean if she is presented with guys then she would actually do it. A lot of things as person you think about but with absolutely no intention of actually making it a reality in that moment. Dylan's thought in her mind didn't even last a second. So no big issue is there to be made to begin with.

The amber scene, Well you see it as being jealous, but that's not the case. Sophia's dialogue if you read is along the lines of "Is amber trying to flirt with my son". No mother will actually be very happy with that scenario, but the line is no way projects jealousy, it only projects a curiosity as to what is amber trying to do. Ofcourse if Sophia were to make a move on Sam Infront of amber she would also be curious and a bit worried about what is Sophia trying to do. So there's no mistake on the path there
L&P also confirmed that Sophia was not jealous of Amber. The question was asked and answered at the time.
 

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The evening event of the next day, we will have to wait for a very long time, I think by the Winter of 2022, not earlier, but it's so interesting, what can include a hot event of Sophia and Dylan?!

I dare to assume that it will be not only hot, but also quite interesting. And after this event, from time to time, Sophia will visit Dylan's room in this form:
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Drawing by the artist naughtynafz:
https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-fan-art.15218/post-6569364

So friends, what are the assumptions about the event of Sophia and Dylan for the evening of the next day?
Who is ready to share their thoughts on this matter?
 
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