VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[nexer]

Well, I’d obviously prefer Ellie and Sophia, but I’m an open minded consumer and not predisposed to complaining.

I’m only commenting on the tone and how lacking in detail the communication is - working for a better tomorrow and all that, but it’s always tomorrow and never today. Reads like corporate propaganda.

If Bane71 hasn't complained about L&P's messaging it means his propaganda is weak. I say that because Bane is Russian and Russians know how and what good propaganda means. If the Russians don't know either ...

 

[bayrischman]

I read it like this: He wants to publish the next update towards the end of January 2022. I didn't expect an earlier appointment anyway. If he announces this date then he will deliver around this time - unless aliens land on earth then it will be delayed by a week. He decided too quickly to announce a new feature for the game and is now not sure whether he can integrate it into this update. He asks for patience. It says nothing more - not even about the aliens.

let us surprise ourselves

 

[BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM]

Please, a little patience. Maybe L&P will create 1000 renderings of Dylan and Sophia as input for GPT-3 and ask it to generate the following scenes

We would probably get better dialogues out of it.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

let us surprise ourselves

L&P himself is saying late January, why would you hope for anything earlier?

 

[t3alqdansam]

In this case, I don't understand this logic of critics!

I'll note that I'm not telling anyone to leave, but I absolutely don't understand why come back here if you don't like and persistently demand that L&P follow your instructions on how to conduct its business? After all, there are others who are supposedly better!

Look at KillJoys, he didn't like it and he stopped being a patron, he expresses criticism, but I didn't see him accusing or insulting L&P. Here, in my opinion, is an example to follow.

In any case, my friend, I don't want this discussion to continue. Have a nice day.

Please note I do not DEMAND! I recommend. We on this pirate site have no ability to DEMAND. Hell, even Patrons have no DEMAND they can beg and/or leave. I think you need to understand this first. What we do here is openly worry that under his current processes this is doomed to fail, be abandoned. Maybe we like the VN enough that we want to see it finished. Do you think that taking 30 years will see it finished? That is what his current production rate is projecting. So no DEMANDS just concern that he will fail. By the way, most restaurants fail in the first two years. And now we have both had our last two cents.

 

[nexer]

I hope L&P surprises us with something like this: Sophia rejects Aiden's 4th task, talks to Morello and ... comes back to have a "little chat" with Aiden

 

[t3alqdansam]

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All the unimportant details aside, can anyone make any sense out of this hot mess?

In his first statement, L&P said that we'll be seeing results IN the next update and he'll keep us informed, providing answers once he reaches a certain point in the update's development (whatever that's supposed to mean). This also apparently involves multiple other developers as it appears to be a task made for "them", yet this statement makes it sound like he himself is working on "something special".

In his second statement, everything previously mentioned is pretty much over board and we're basically left with a simple "more information AFTER the next update", which already is contradicting with his first statement, and it looks like we're not even getting a taste for this "special" something in the upcoming release, unlike what he had previously said.

In his third statement, things become even more confusing. It apparently impacts the upcoming release, but we'll only be getting information about it AFTER the update??? So from my point of view, all we currently have is L&P's word that it's gonna be well worth it, and a bunch of contradictions that make absolutely no sense if you ask me.

I have stopped trying to make sense of it and just subscribe to GingerSweetGirl s presentation that it never should have been done. I find that easier for my pea brain.

 

[t3alqdansam]

İs there any play video link of last update? İ

check on pornhub et al. Maybe someone made a vid.

 

[t3alqdansam]

All the hypothesis you make seem plausible to me, I'd add that maybe he might have found a writer with animation/modelling skills too that will help on that too (to explain the PC).
The other part that also need some work is the update system, it can require some programming work to deal with connections, checksum and so on to have a smooth updating system (provided that there are not already off-the-shelf solutions). Not something so exciting to justify the waiting but it is nevertheless a part that needs to be done. But for sure nobody needs a rig like that to do this task.

In the case he hired someone (whatever the job is), buying a new PC is another "strange" choice: is she/he working physically together with him? That would mean he found someone in his city or not so far from his place that can easily commute, I don't think that someone will move from another region/country/continent for this kind of project. Minor detail, but let's not to forget this little covid problem with possible new lockdown/restrictions ahead that may prevent displacements.
Or maybe he is assembling the pc to be an exact replica of his and then ship it to her/him?

We know that he is obsessively secretive about his assets, the story and the way he works. Having someone physically working with him might reassure him, even if that does not prevent possible leaks etc.
The other (crazy) possibility is that he will force the new hire to work remotely on his new machine, so that everything stays under his control in terms of security. Needless to say, it won't be the case, because files can be "extracted" anyway and he will be more distracted controlling what's happening than working on his part of the project. And, no matter how good the internet connection is, it would be a nightmare for the other dev working like that.

He can use the second rig for the other dev to render his work remotely, because e.g. the other dev has no enough computing power in his hands. It can be the case, as the fan art thread shows, many good artists with great skills but limited by their available resources. That requires him to trust her/him with the assets, though.

Finally, I don't think that having two PCs for himself will improve anything in his workflow, this has been discussed ad nauseam in this forum.

I agree and earlier stated that I think/hope this may be for an associate that will then work with him. The second PC would enable him to maintain absolute control of his assets.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Now that's an interesting idea, maybe it's the DLC or a sidestory. I'm not sure if a second computer would be necessary for that, but i would definitely be a huge announcement.

I'm just not sure how that would work practically. If it's DLC, that would just complicate things since the game is still under development. It wouldn't so much be DLC as it would just additional material. It could also be confusion since continuity could get weird. I don't know, I'd have to hear more.

A side story would be catastrophic for the future of AWAM. We don't need any more distractions from the main game. Side stories would completely undermine the switch to event-based releases. There would be competing content. If anything I would see this as L&P testing the waters for moving on to a new project if/when he loses interest in AWAM.

I still think it's something directly related to development.

I'm very certain it's not a DLC. He it is something special and something we will see for ourselves from next update onwards. DLC does not add up here. Plus the first storyline that actually is going to be DLC would have started later in on in the day ( coach Sophia ).

Animations too seem to a bit doubtful since if he has an artist who can make animations at the same quality as L&P's renders, why not ask him to make renders itself. If he is that talented he could easily start working on the next update events.
He should establish a good pace first and then think about animations.

The only explanation could be that the agreement is only to make animations but then there wouldn't be a need to spend so much in a second gear if all the other person would do is make a few animations for the events. He has to be doing a lot more.

His message raises more questions than answers. There is a level of excitement that I sense in his message so I don't think he is lying about it. Also if it was just an excuse to take a break this would be the worst excuse he could use.
Using the most sensitive issue regarding his game as a reason to slow down the development just to get some relaxation would be foolish. There are 100's of reasons one could use for a slow pace, saying something like this as an excuse with nothing happening in the background is digging one's own grave.

EDIT - Along the debate of the contradictions in the message it could be either translation issues. Or the most likely explanation that he is trying to say that the effects of whatever he is doing will be reflected in some part of this update and then after the update he will explain the proper behind the scenes and what kind of arrangement it is and how it will continue for the future and other relevant details.

 

[t3alqdansam]

It's like he's been watching youtube clips on effective corporate spin - how to promise the future and never deliver.

He is taking notes from Jen Psaki! He will circle back to it.

 

[nexer]

Animations too seem to a bit doubtful since if he has an artist who can make animations at the same quality as L&P's renders, why not ask him to make renders itself. If he is that talented he could easily start working on the next update events.
He should establish a good pace first and then think about animations.

The animation takes place in an environment, it starts and ends, but the pre-animation render and the post-animation render are created by L&P.
What I mean by that: that all the settings are created by L&P and someone else creates the movement in the environment already created by L&P.

 

[Sabertooth__]

The animation takes place in an environment, it starts and ends, but the pre-animation render and the post-animation render are created by L&P.
What I mean by that: that all the settings are created by L&P and someone else creates the movement in the environment already created by L&P.

But then offering an entire high end setup to such person makes no sense. If this guy is a specialist he must have had his own gear. There is no story to tell in animations. He could have just sent instructions along with what you mentioned and he would do the animations and send them to L&P. Plus I don't understand why he would even create so much hype around animations. I mean it's there in almost every game. It must be something else.

Personally I'm no fan of animations so I couldn't care less for them.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

The animation takes place in an environment, it starts and ends, but the pre-animation render and the post-animation render are created by L&P.
What I mean by that: that all the settings are created by L&P and someone else creates the movement in the environment already created by L&P.

creating the movement is very easy, there are ready-made animation sets, just set them up and start the render
it could also take a couple of days to render 15-20 frames to repeat in a loop.
so another pc might be of help.
but at this point in development, and with all the problems it has, were animations necessary?
Was 4 days for the cover necessary?

 

[nexer]

But then offering an entire high end setup to such person makes no sense. If this guy is a specialist he must have had his own gear. There is no story to tell in animations. He could have just sent instructions along with what you mentioned and he would do the animations and send them to L&P. Plus I don't understand why he would even create so much hype around animations. I mean it's there in almost every game. It must be something else.

Personally I'm no fan of animations so I couldn't care less for them.

Agreed, but L&P didn't talk about animation. And until he introduces sex scenes, there's not much need.

 

[VanDarkBalls]

A separate game about Dylan's adventures

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

Agreed, but L&P didn't talk about animation. And until he introduces sex scenes, there's not much need.

he could ask the animator to revise all the game produced so far and add animations to the past story?
could you ask the animator to create the dlc?
Could this be bullshit?
i am too curious so i will pay 1 $ to see the comments on patreon

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

 

[TomUK]

A separate game about Dylan's adventures

That would be boring as hell.

 

[nexer]

That would be boring as hell.

If he's gonna fuck Sam's mom, no.