VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Sabertooth__]

In writing a scene even without translations you generaly don't have the "Full Dialogue" written to completion when the time comes to put into the game.

You are more often going to have it in "Red Text" prior with a loose idea of what you want in there.

Instead you will have a "General Purpose / Red Text" of the scene.

So you may have something like this instead of completed dialogue:

"Sophia wakes up. She thinks about some event from the night before. She goes and takes a quick shower, maybe a quick thought about showering with the daughter while in there and then she thinks about the task from Aiden maybe gets a little annoyed and angry. Time to get dressed to aidens specifications continuing with annoyed thoughts. Calmed a little Now at the school... Aiden is going to say something like a smartass and sophia will get a little angry again... Onto the next task..."

So it's like you kinda know what is supposed to go in there, but you don't have EXACTLY what is supposed to go in there.

Dialogue tends to come out better if it done this way after you have the renders than if you have it before. You can adapt a dialogue to be a little bit better of a fit onto the render being shown than in the reverse process.

If you have dialogue before renders you are more likely to get a mismatch.

Suppose two months ago Sophia was wearing "Pink Panties" in the dialogue, but in the rendering process a nice pair of "Blue Panties" was chosen over those because they looked better at the time for some reason. If you are using the older dialogues that came pre render you may have instance of it mentioning "Pink Panties" when they are clearly "Blue Panties"

You put your dialogue on after your renders the same way you put your shoes on after your socks.

Something I have been saying for so long over here. But all intelligent folks here think he writes entire scenes on spot before the update based on a very rough outline or few bullet points every single update

 

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Need time to upload 3 versions of it. Win, Mac, and Android. That could add a whole day.

1. Not anymore, because this is now "chapter 2" so the filesize will be way less
2. Germany has good internet and good upload speeds
3. Just because you're uploading something it doesn't mean you can't keep working

 

[yihman1]

1. Not anymore, because this is now "chapter 2" so the filesize will be way less
2. Germany has good internet and good upload speeds
3. Just because you're uploading something it doesn't mean you can't keep working

You only want to upload what is completed or you will upload it an extra time. You can't just have 1/2 of it written and upload that half and wait until the other half is done and upload the 2nd half. Need to upload the whole thing and by the time you are uploading everything else is done.

 

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You only want to upload what is completed or you will upload it an extra time. You can't just have 1/2 of it written and upload that half and wait until the other half is done and upload the 2nd half. Need to upload the whole thing and by the time you are uploading everything else is done.

I think everyone agrees with what you have written above. There's no point in uploading half-versions.
But it doesn't deny anything I've said.

You said this:

Then you gotta remember they are putting together 2 versions of the game not just 1. One is the Patreon safe one, and the other is the one with incest. So they are working on 2 games at the same time one game being a nerfed version of the other.

Which is false. They are putting together one version of the game and then cutting it so it's patreon friendly, and they do it so fast/carelessly that sometimes the version is just broken. It's a few hours work at best.

Then you said
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Need time to upload 3 versions of it. Win, Mac, and Android. That could add a whole day.

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Which for aprox 18gb across all 3 platforms is quite big, but easily doable in a few hours. It's Germany's internet, not Iraq's.
And now, specially now, with the new Part/Chapter 2, the filesize must come down from 6gb to 1.3-1.5, it should be even faster.

My 3. point is just a fact. Uploading something doesn't make your computer useless, you can keep working, if you have work to do.


edit: Germany's avg internet speed (which L&Ps should be way higher) is 29mbps, 18gbs would be uploaded in 1h30m at 3.46Mb/sec

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Something I have been saying for so long over here. But all intelligent folks here think he writes entire scenes on spot before the update based on a very rough outline or few bullet points every single update

But the problem here is this comment, which has been discussed numerous times.



When you write a statement with (and also already written!!!) and use Bold Font, you emphasize that everything is done (Dialogues, Narrations, Thoughts, etc.). Had he left out the already written and used the words planned out only, then this conversation would have been moot. It was only several months ago that he finally said he had a draft or outline only, and he was writing the text out in real-time during the P&T part of the update with the translator/proofreader. So, again, This is a communication issue. Also, this text, "already written!!!" has been like this since 2017.

 

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But the problem here is this comment, which has been discussed numerous times.

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When you write a statement with (and also already written!!!) and use Bold Font, you emphasize that everything is done (Dialogs, Narrations, Thoughts, etc.). Had he left out the already written and used the words planned out only, then this conversation would have been moot. It was only several months ago that he finally said he had a draft or outline only, and he was writing the text out in real-time during the P&T part of the update with the translator/proofreader. So, again, This is a communication issue. Also, this text, "already written!!!" has been like this since 2017.

Don't you hate all those politicians that are perceived as liars but they actually just have communication issues? Terrible.

 

[yihman1]

My 3. point is just a fact. Uploading something doesn't make your computer useless, you can keep working, if you have work to do.

True... but work on what when upload time comes? Get a few hours work in on the next update in?

No effect would be seen from this for SEVERAL months.

When you are developer right after an update you tend to stop working for a day or 2... See if any bugs are reported. See what the feedback is like. Talk to the people. Then get back to work.

 

[darji]

1. Germany has good internet and good upload speeds

No we do not. We have the worst infrastructure in Europa Net wise. A a little russian Town in the Moutains has better internet than we in Germany. We have not even complete Mobile net. Everytime I visit my parents I travel over an hour without mobile net by train.

Depending where he lives he could have 16000 Kb/s Uploadspeed ist mostly 8Mbits with a good conection.

 

[darji]

My Internet speed is 30Mb /s, 360 RMB which translates to 50 euros a year.

Yeah you can have good speed depending where you live. My Company I work for is set like 5 Minutes from a big Central Station in the West. We only have 50.000Kbs available. A street earlier they have 1000Mbits

But to say Germany in Gernal is jsut flatout Wrong since we have indeed the worsst infrastraucture in the EU.

 

[Sabertooth__]

But the problem here is this comment, which has been discussed numerous times.

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When you write a statement with (and also already written!!!) and use Bold Font, you emphasize that everything is done (Dialogs, Narrations, Thoughts, etc.). Had he left out the already written and used the words planned out only, then this conversation would have been moot. It was only several months ago that he finally said he had a draft or outline only, and he was writing the text out in real-time during the P&T part of the update with the translator/proofreader. So, again, This is a communication issue. Also, this text, "already written!!!" has been like this since 2017.

I am sure you know writing a story does not mean "Dialogues written" . A story is a complete story even when written without the dialogues.

Have you come across the concept in movie making. Where the "STORY" is first written out and prepared while the "SCRIPT" which is prepared after that contains the dialogues.

Just wanted to mention this. Beyond this you can have any assumptions you want it doesn't change the fact of the matter that those are different things.

And just to show I am not saying things off of my assumptions but the reality

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And there is more than enough Matter on the internet to clearly distinguish between a Story and a Script. The actors in most cases are told the STORY before signing the movie not directly given the script.

 

[darji]

Labor costs in developed countries in Europe and the United States are relatively high. If infrastructure construction needs to be improved, it will be a lot of money.

I agree but being a TOP Industrial Export Country you should expect something different. In terms of Digitalisation we are basically a 3rd world country. It is is ridiculous how bad the IT in Germany is.^^

So no having a good internet connection to upload is not really a given here.

 

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True... but work on what when upload time comes? Get a few hours work in on the next update in?

No effect would be seen from this for SEVERAL months.

When you are developer right after an update you tend to stop working for a day or 2... See if any bugs are reported. See what the feedback is like. Talk to the people. Then get back to work.

My point wasnt if he should work, it's if he can work if he has work to do other than uploading, which he can. As for feedback and bugfixing, that's something L&P doesn't do. Dylan's points bug stayed until the next version.
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Yeah you can have good speed depending where you live. My Company I work for is set like 5 Minutes from a big Central Station in the West. We only have 50.000Kbs available. A street earlier they have 1000Mbits

But to say Germany in Gernal is jsut flatout Wrong since we have indeed the worsst infrastraucture in the EU.

I've lived in Germany for extended periods of time. Never had an issue with internet, except mobile internet. It depends a lot on the area, thats why I used an average speed which is already low by comparing it to normal speeds in other countries.

To take a day to upload the 18gb he would need to have a 1.8mbps internet, uploading at 220kb/sec.
I guess he would have already complained about internet speed before (since he has to download all assets etc), but nothing so far I believe.

Anyways, the new update should bring a 1 - 1.5gb file max, so 4.5gb total which even in the worst internet case scenario, would take him 6 hours to upload, not 24h.
Average internet scenario, takes him 20 minutes.

 

[nexer]

Sorry guys, I have 300Mb right now, not need for more, but anytime 600Mb or 1Gb is available(same up and down).
No big deal with download, except Windows Update , but I can see 2-3 livestreams at the same time.

 

[armion82]

So first part of PD 12 was 20% from the whole day and took 110 days after the release of last part of PD 11.
Do we expect another 450+ renders update?
Wasn't the idea to split the day on 10 parts in order for faster and smaller updates?
I doubt first part of PD 13 will be 20% from the day.
End of February will be exactly 100 days after the release of previous update.

 

[sinnerman13]

Sorry but where can I find the Android version? I already tried OP, the link doesn't exist anymore

 

[nexer]

No we do not. We have the worst infrastructure in Europa Net wise. A a little russian Town in the Moutains has better internet than we in Germany. We have not even complete Mobile net. Everytime I visit my parents I travel over an hour without mobile net by train.

Depending where he lives he could have 16000 Kb/s Uploadspeed ist mostly 8Mbits with a good conection.

That's why I kept wondering why Germany has advanced more than other countries.
The only answer is that there is less corruption, but I would say not by much more than a few percent.

 

[jonnybravo11]

So first part of PD 12 was 20% from the whole day and took 110 days after the release of last part of PD 11.
Do we expect another 450+ renders update?
Wasn't the idea to split the day on 10 parts in order for faster and smaller updates?
I doubt first part of PD 13 will be 20% from the day.
End of February will be exactly 100 days after the release of previous update.

Maybe he will give final renders update on completing rendering for this time.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Sorry but where can I find the Android version? I already tried OP, the link doesn't exist anymore

Here
https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-150-lust-passion.5944/post-6984037

Read everything that is written there carefully or the game won't work

 

[Try My Patience or Not]

Labor costs in developed countries in Europe and the United States are relatively high. If infrastructure construction needs to be improved, it will be a lot of money.

That's OK! In the U.S. they're printing it like it grows on trees.

 

[blacklistc13]

If you had the finished German text you could pop that into google translate chunk by chunk, and get it translated very quickly using a simple copy and paste strategy. However, it would be noticeably a machine translation. Machines will not translate it as well as a human. Instead I think humans translate it word by word (alongside a machine translation if they didn't understand a word), and then polish it up nicely to appear more fluent in English, and they do a good job at that.

I think more than just "Translation" is happening right now.
They say "Programming" as well on the chart, but again more than programming and translation are happening now.

I think writing is actually happening right now as well. L&P Must be writing something, then his translator(s) must rewrite something... piece by piece. Writing at good quality can take a long time and everything needs to be written twice. Once by L&P and then a 2nd time by a translator.

Idioms change from language to language... So if a character says "It is like comparing apples to oranges." There is no direct saying for that in German. The closest would be "Comparing apples to pears".

That's an easy one... If it said: "To see radishes from below" you would need to understand that this means "Pushing up daises"... Sometimes you will get stuff like "Fat Head" getting translated and you would be like what the fuck does that mean? That just means a "Hangover"... When someone says "Hold your thumb!" they don't mean that... They mean "Cross your fingers!" When someone says "It's a sausage to me." They aren't talking about a sausage... they meant to say "It's all the same to me."

These "Literal Translations" are what needs to get smoothed out to fit English fluency.

Quality control processes take time. Sometimes you need to find just the right words for the job, and try to change the meaning as little as possible.

Could the process be sped up in some ways? Perhaps, but quality may suffer.

Then you gotta remember they are putting together 2 versions of the game not just 1. One is the Patreon safe one, and the other is the one with incest. So they are working on 2 games at the same time one game being a nerfed version of the other.

Then you need to do some bug testing and uploads.

So if they gave literal translation of "Programming & Translation" they would probably call it: "Writing, translating, rewriting, programming, bug testing and uploading" Which is more than just program / translate.

Now now I knew someone would say this, that's why I said we could train a ML model finetune it much more on the sentences they have already converted in last few years and voila it would be even better than a person translating that!!

Further more think of technology as a enabler if not 100 percent this could still save 80 percent of the time rest 20 he can just go over and correct something if he wants...

I have created numerous products which can even listen to customer care calls, convert them to correct language and understand why the sale wasn't made etc.. Believe me when I say that today's NLP models can write better stories and idioms than you or at least a porn game creator,now would I says it's intelligent it definitely isn't, but can it come up with better suited idioms than a English PhD holder, it certainly can...

Then again I would stress that technology is a enabler, we should use it to automate as much as we can, even if it's saving 21 days or 10, saving even 5 for every game release is a big plus because at the end it's 45 man hours that's saved...