VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[PaxHadrian17]

So anyone here on Patreon that can give some insight of what the Patreon people think about the events nowadays?

Not just with the Myers boys.

I was on Patreon but switched to L&P on Subscribestar (PassionFruit) because I think eventually Patreon will kill AWAM since the subterfuge of DOL will only go so far.

Patreon has become much more draconian enforcing their 'morality' rules over the last few years.

An example is Jackerman who makes great animations, but some include Patreon 'unfriendly' content. He never published on Patreon and did all his releases via Discord, using Patreon as a means for people to back him financially. He knew that Patreon might try to shut him down, so he also created a Subscribestar (SS) account (this is my summation of what happened since I became a supporter after Patreon attacked him).

Eventually, Patreon told him that they needed full access to everything on his Discord site - which would obviously give Patreon the ammunition they needed to shut his account down. He sent out a warning to all his supporters to shift from Patreon to SS and explained why. I have no access to numbers but he is very well supported on SS and his Patreon site is now listed as under review.

I wonder what happens to funds collected by Patreon for a creator who they put under review/suspend/terminate. Do those funds default to Patreon or are they returned to that creator's supporters?

If anyone has any insight on this, please share here because if Patreon gets to keep those funds, then they have a financial incentive to play hardball with anyone who is not staying well within the lines of their increasingly conservative rule set.

If there was a way to persuade almost all of L&P's Patreon supporters to move to SS, then he could get rid of all the work he needs to do on DOL to keep up the illusion of following Patreon's rules... resulting in more time for AWAM (which would hopefully lead to faster updates). He'd also be protecting the golden goose - AWAM - from the high potential for a serious funding disruption at a time Not of his choosing.

 

[sept0342]

I was on Patreon but switched to L&P on Subscribestar (PassionFruit) because I think eventually Patreon will kill AWAM since the subterfuge of DOL will only go so far.

Patreon has become much more draconian enforcing their 'morality' rules over the last few years.

An example is Jackerman who makes great animations, but some include Patreon 'unfriendly' content. He never published on Patreon and did all his releases via Discord, using Patreon as a means for people to back him financially. He knew that Patreon might try to shut him down, so he also created a Subscribestar (SS) account (this is my summation of what happened since I became a supporter after Patreon attacked him).

Eventually, Patreon told him that they needed full access to everything on his Discord site - which would obviously give Patreon the ammunition they needed to shut his account down. He sent out a warning to all his supporters to shift from Patreon to SS and explained why. I have no access to numbers but he is very well supported on SS and his Patreon site is now listed as under review.

I wonder what happens to funds collected by Patreon for a creator who they put under review/suspend/terminate. Do those funds default to Patreon or are they returned to that creator's supporters?

If anyone has any insight on this, please share here because if Patreon gets to keep those funds, then they have a financial incentive to play hardball with anyone who is not staying well within the lines of their increasingly conservative rule set.

If there was a way to persuade almost all of L&P's Patreon supporters to move to SS, then he could get rid of all the work he needs to do on DOL to keep up the illusion of following Patreon's rules... resulting in more time for AWAM (which would hopefully lead to faster updates).

The only drawback I see is that SS doesn't accept PayPal, which is I guess the reason why L&P still uses Patreon...

 

[Sabertooth__]

I was on Patreon but switched to L&P on Subscribestar (PassionFruit) because I think eventually Patreon will kill AWAM since the subterfuge of DOL will only go so far.

Patreon has become much more draconian enforcing their 'morality' rules over the last few years.

An example is Jackerman who makes great animations, but some include Patreon 'unfriendly' content. He never published on Patreon and did all his releases via Discord, using Patreon as a means for people to back him financially. He knew that Patreon might try to shut him down, so he also created a Subscribestar (SS) account (this is my summation of what happened since I became a supporter after Patreon attacked him).

Eventually, Patreon told him that they needed full access to everything on his Discord site - which would obviously give Patreon the ammunition they needed to shut his account down. He sent out a warning to all his supporters to shift from Patreon to SS and explained why. I have no access to numbers but he is very well supported on SS and his Patreon site is now listed as under review.

I wonder what happens to funds collected by Patreon for a creator who they put under review/suspend/terminate. Do those funds default to Patreon or are they returned to that creator's supporters?

If anyone has any insight on this, please share here because if Patreon gets to keep those funds, then they have a financial incentive to play hardball with anyone who is not staying well within the lines of their increasingly conservative rule set.

If there was a way to persuade almost all of L&P's Patreon supporters to move to SS, then he could get rid of all the work he needs to do on DOL to keep up the illusion of following Patreon's rules... resulting in more time for AWAM (which would hopefully lead to faster updates). He'd also be protecting the golden goose - AWAM - from the high potential for a serious funding disruption at a time Not of his choosing.

As was informed to us by Bibifoc Patreon knows about Awam as well but they don't care. They only evaluated DOL and asked him to make changes to it.
I don't know the specifics about Jackerman but if he was only collecting funds from Patreon and delivering only on Discord that would be a problem. L&P provides DOL on Patreon every update.

Anything involving Liam is a GW event. So the swinging event will be a GW event, not a Filthy route. But, even if you're playing the Filthy route, with 100-odd Filthy points available, it will likely be possible to play the swinging event and still maintain F > GW if the player so chooses.

Like currently for those playing the Nat path, it's still available to those predominately on the GW route, even though the latest Nat event added a Filthy point. Or for those playing the Ellie and Patricia path it's still possible to play the GW scene with Liam on PD11 after the jacuzzi and still maintain F > GW.

I guessing, but it may even be possible to play some of the sex scenes with Liam for those on the Dylan and/or Sam routes. To my knowledge, no one is willing to try it though.

If i remember right you can play all Liam Sophia sex scenes if you are not on Ellie's route. Ofcourse allowing Don Morello will be an active choice at the casino but if you are in Ellie route there is no choice to have sex with Liam.
If you refuse Ellie and take Liam home from the casino i think all Liam Sophia sex scenes are possible.

 

[xxxorro]

L&P went on a bit of a rant and let slip that "Sophia’s first possible sex scene on a special filthy route will happen on playable day 19 of 30!". He deleted the post, but someone else quoted it, so you can still read what he wrote. It's under spoiler #5.

oh I forgot about the "famous" PD 19 post. Figure that it was my very first question in this thread and finally I have an answer! thanks!

It's an interesting reading even if it dates back to 2019.

Ellie’s not a slut YET and it was already highlighted a couple of times that Ellie’s into older guys who are very popular! Logan will become Ellie’s new boyfriend but Sophia will have the chance to change her mind at playable day 16. After this day Ellie’s storyline will take 3-4 different routes with different endings! Ellie has never been and also will never be a pure lesbian. But she can get bi sexual! So that Logan becomes Ellie’s new boyfriend is essential for Sophia’s further storyline with her and the chance to change her mind!
Speaking for myself, it's the first time I heard Ellie's story with the split into different routes **directly from him**. Good to know. It doesn't say anything about Logan and Sophia but I guess it was not the scope and, as usual, he didn't want to give too much away. From that it seems that Sophia will try to convince Ellie to move her interest on other characters, maybe Sam, Julia (but not as a pure lesbian).

So, I’m realistically planning to finish it within the next 3-4 years as one-man company!
This hasn't aged well... [apologies for the cheap shot]

Sophia’s first possible sex scene on a special filthy route will happen on playable day 19 of 30!
Ok, here is the conundrum. Because we now have that list and provided he's not misleading us, I'd interpret it as the first sex scene on that special filthy route, not the first sex scene ever of the game with somebody different than Liam.
Now that we know that it will be a lesbian one (the 4th) it seems plausible that "the special filthy route" will be with either Alyssa or Nathalie with the info we have atm. Vicky if I remember correctly is more for threesome.

Janitor Clark's story will be still unfolded but who can’t wait… Spoiler alarm: he’s an ex gangbanger (OG) and ex-con. In US jails, gang members kill rapists (of women) and child abuser immediately when they get the chance! Furthermore, he had a wife and kids and is working in this freaking school where Sophia’s teaching (one shits not where you eat!)!!!
I didn't know he back story of Janitor Clark, it's interesting. I wonder if the Janitor will have a role in helping Sophia either with Aiden or Bennett, given that he went all the way to specify that thing about rapists and child abusers to say that even him has a set of moral rules.

Finally, I could not help noticing some terms he threw around that have been a topic of discussion (bold is mine for emphasis):
[...]Furthermore, only when the masseur starts rubbing his dick against her daughter’s leg, she’ll get really angry, what is also understandable for a “no whore woman” or not?)![...]
[...]Ellie’s not a slut YET and it was already highlighted a couple of times that Ellie’s into older guys who are very popular! [...]
No big deal, it's just that they keep reminding me of that apocryphal sentence in the OP about the game "So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy wh**e soon?".
I still think (or hope) it's not meant literally and the language barrier has a role here.

I guessing, but it may even be possible to play some of the sex scenes with Liam for those on the Dylan and/or Sam routes. To my knowledge, no one is willing to try it though.

For sure you can play the one on the PD 11 in the evening, which has a slightly variation whether you are on Morello path or not. On Morello path you have a choice to have or deny sex with Liam in the bedroom after meeting Morello, in all the other route they will start in the jacuzzi and finish with the same sex scene in the bedroom (without choice this time).
"Surprising Liam at work" the next PD is available to all routes if you are not on Morello's (so e.g. possible on Dylan, Sam. Sam is one of the most independent routes so far).

 

[Alley_Cat]

oh I forgot about the "famous" PD 19 post. Figure that it was my very first question in this thread and finally I have an answer! thanks!

It's an interesting reading even if it dates back to 2019.

Ellie’s not a slut YET and it was already highlighted a couple of times that Ellie’s into older guys who are very popular! Logan will become Ellie’s new boyfriend but Sophia will have the chance to change her mind at playable day 16. After this day Ellie’s storyline will take 3-4 different routes with different endings! Ellie has never been and also will never be a pure lesbian. But she can get bi sexual! So that Logan becomes Ellie’s new boyfriend is essential for Sophia’s further storyline with her and the chance to change her mind!

Speaking for myself, it's the first time I heard Ellie's story with the split into different routes **directly from him**. Good to know. It doesn't say anything about Logan and Sophia but I guess it was not the scope and, as usual, he didn't want to give to much away. From that he seems that Sophia will try to convince Ellie to move her interest on other characters, maybe Sam, Jules (but not as a pure lesbian).

So, I’m realistically planning to finish it within the next 3-4 years as one-man company!

This hasn't aged well... [apologies for the cheap shot]

Sophia’s first possible sex scene on a special filthy route will happen on playable day 19 of 30!

Ok, here is the conundrum. Because we now have that list and provided he's not misleading us, I'd interpret it as the first sex scene on that special filthy route, not the first sex scene ever of the game with somebody different than Liam.
Now that we know that it will be a lesbian one (the 4th) it seems plausible that "the special filthy route" will be with either Alyssa or Nathalie with the info we have atm. Vicky if I remember correctly is more for threesome.

Janitor Clark's story will be still unfolded but who can’t wait… Spoiler alarm: he’s an ex gangbanger (OG) and ex-con. In US jails, gang members kill rapists (of women) and child abuser immediately when they get the chance! Furthermore, he had a wife and kids and is working in this freaking school where Sophia’s teaching (one shits not where you eat!)!!!

I didn't know he back story of Janitor Clark, it's interesting. I wonder if the Janitor will have a role in helping Sophia either with Aiden or Bennett, given that he went all the way to specify rapist and child abuser to say that even him has a set of moral rules.

Finally, I could not help noticing some terms he threw around that have been a topic of discussion (bold is mine for emphasis):
[...]Furthermore, only when the masseur starts rubbing his dick against her daughter’s leg, she’ll get really angry, what is also understandable for a “no whore woman” or not?)![...]
[...]Ellie’s not a slut YET and it was already highlighted a couple of times that Ellie’s into older guys who are very popular! [...]
No big deal, it's just that they keep remind me of that apocryphal sentence in the OP about the game "So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy wh**e soon?".
I still think it's not meant literally and the language barrier has a role here.



For sure you can play the one on the PD 11 in the evening, which has a slightly variation whether you are on Morello path or not. On Morello path you have a choice to do or deny sex Liam in the bedroom after meeting Morello, in all the other route they will start in the jacuzzi and finish with the same sex scene in the bedroom (without choice this time).
"Surprising Liam at work" the next PD is available to all routes if you are not on Morello's (so e.g. possible on Dylan, Sam. Sam is one of the most independent routes so far).

Janitor Clark isn't needed for dealing with Bennett, Sophia already has the option to speak to the board to get out of that blackmail. The uncomfortable solution for Aiden's tasks on PD18 or whenever it is might be a possibility though, since AFAIK, we have no information who might be involved there. How involving Clark might be more uncomfortable than asking a favour of a Mob boss I find curious.

I also find it curious that if you're not interested in pursuing the Morello option to get out of Aiden's tasks, it opens up the option for one of the GW sex scenes. But if you're not interested in Aiden's tasks, or the Dylan route at all and want to play the Nightclub event, the Casino path becomes (for no particular reason) a requirement.

 

[xxxorro]

I also find it curious that if you're not interested in pursuing the Morello option to get out of Aiden's tasks, it opens up the option for one of the GW sex scenes. But if you're not interested in Aiden's tasks, or the Dylan route at all and want to play the Nightclub event, the Casino path becomes (for no particular reason) a requirement.

There is also this particular combination that is curious: you can send Dylan to boarding school and refuse Bennett (both even at the very first occasion) and you still have the possibility of doing the Morello route, going "full" Larry and Morello will own Sophia a favour that she cannot cash, at least with the info we have so far. Sure, the debt will be extinguished, though.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

The only drawback I see is that SS doesn't accept PayPal, which is I guess the reason why L&P still uses Patreon...

I believe that Subscribestar's customer base (which allows a number of creators who might violate PayPal's TOS) is why it is not available as a payment method.

This is a quote from PayPal's website:

"We don’t permit PayPal account holders to buy or sell:

Sexually oriented digital goods or content delivered through a digital medium. Downloadable pictures or videos and website subscriptions are examples of digital goods.
Sexually oriented goods or services that involve, or appear to involve, minors."

I don't know how much of L&P's patreonage could shift to SS without a payment issue, but I do think that the more supporters who can shift, the better the chance that another Patreon witch hunt will not cripple or kill AWAM.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

As was informed to us by Bibifoc Patreon knows about Awam as well but they don't care. They only evaluated DOL and asked him to make changes to it.
I don't know the specifics about Jackerman but if he was only collecting funds from Patreon and delivering only on Discord that would be a problem. L&P provides DOL on Patreon every update.

I don't trust Patreon to be consistent!

They use their 'community guidelines' as a weapon to go after some creators (but not all) who are operating outside those guidelines.

Patreon may well be looking the other way Right Now... that does not guarantee that this status quo will continue.

There are some sources that say Patreon has been talking about going through an IPO (rumors for an IPO in 2021 did not pan out - perhaps the rumors were false or COVID prompted a delay - I have no inside track so I can't do more than speculate on why or if there was a delay). Any investor who wants to buy Patreon will perform their due diligence and, depending on the investor and the country of origin (the morality guidelines, when compared to the U.S., may be easier or harder to meet), Patreon will either continue to turn a blind eye to AWAM and other creations pushing their guidelines or they will put the offenders on notice.

I just think that mitigating the risk of a major hit to L&P's income stream (which would damage or kill AWAM development for some months to permanently), would be the smart choice.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

"There are so many far-fetched prognoses here about how long it will take for me to finish the game, most I guess just as an desperate attempt to being funny. So to make it clear: I’m currently releasing full day updates at an average rate of every 3 months! Not every day will have the same number of events! Considering this I’d need even now with that pace around 4-5 years to finish the game! And not 7-20 like some people are “nostradamusing” here! Under different circumstances which could occur in the near future, like solving my private stuff, reaching a 6,5k support per month (yeah, how undeserved because my game isn’t a stupid, primitive fuck fest like the most others of these kind!) and due to that canceling my side job, could fasten up the production. So, I’m realistically planning to finish it within the next 3-4 years as one-man company! "

I didn't understand if his goal is 6.5k per month, or what?

 

[jumpex12]

I like this game, but I need to see more of claire. Would love to see her and sophia together.

 

[Alley_Cat]

There is also this particular combination that is curious: you can send Dylan to boarding school and refuse Bennett (both even at the very first occasion) and you still have the possibility of doing the Morello route, going "full" Larry and Morello will own Sophia a favour that she cannot cash, at least with the info we have so far. Sure, the debt will be extinguished, though.

Currently the debt will be called in a little under 2 months after the end of the game, so not really a concern at the moment. Plus Carl could pay it off with his play money, so I don't really see the debt as a risk.

So since I have no use with a favour from Morello in my playthrough, I quit the Prison scene at the earliest opportunity. Like the Dylan and Sam routes, when I see a point in playing their routes, I may change my mind.

I like this game, but I need to see more of claire. Would love to see her and sophia together.

Unfortunately not really on the horizon at the moment, since the only real point to Claire as a character as things currently stand is for Marie to be the LI of Dylan.

 

[CSK92]

"There are so many far-fetched prognoses here about how long it will take for me to finish the game, most I guess just as an desperate attempt to being funny. So to make it clear: I’m currently releasing full day updates at an average rate of every 3 months! Not every day will have the same number of events! Considering this I’d need even now with that pace around 4-5 years to finish the game! And not 7-20 like some people are “nostradamusing” here! Under different circumstances which could occur in the near future, like solving my private stuff, reaching a 6,5k support per month (yeah, how undeserved because my game isn’t a stupid, primitive fuck fest like the most others of these kind!) and due to that canceling my side job, could fasten up the production. So, I’m realistically planning to finish it within the next 3-4 years as one-man company! "

I didn't understand if his goal is 6.5k per month, or what?

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[Sabertooth__]

Janitor Clark's story will be still unfolded but who can’t wait… Spoiler alarm: he’s an ex gangbanger (OG) and ex-con. In US jails, gang members kill rapists (of women) and child abuser immediately when they get the chance! Furthermore, he had a wife and kids and is working in this freaking school where Sophia’s teaching (one shits not where you eat!)!!!

No big deal, it's just that they keep reminding me of that apocryphal sentence in the OP about the game "So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy wh**e soon?".
I still think (or hope) it's not meant literally and the language barrier has a role here.

I guess he meant to write gang member here and instead wrote gangbanger. Or is it an actual profession that I never Heard about
Though with this info i could see the Janitor being the second solution. He might help Sophia for something in return. Last time he said he won't call the police if Sophia just bathed in front of him. Maybe he will ask for something different this time as a one time thing for helping Sophia with Aiden.

Also the lines "So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy wh**e soon?". Are not on his patreon description of his game. They are only here. So maybe these lines are not even from him.

 

[hzjujk]

True, one should be safe than sorry. Subscribestar needs to grow a little more for creators and supporters to actively move to it. But that's the thing, once it gets recognition they do will start enforcing such guidelines aswell like Patreon.

As far as I know, a judge in the USA has just allowed a lawsuit because of the distribution of child pornography that goes against pornhub, but above all also involves VISA. Sooner or later this will become the main problem here, too, that financial service providers don't want to have this problem. Even if it's only games here, the reaction of Patreon shows what they really fear.

 

[xxxorro]

I guess he meant to write gang member here and instead wrote gangbanger. Or is it an actual profession that I never Heard about

eheh I had the same thought and chuckle reading it, so I googled (I'm not a native speaker) and... surprise

It also means participant in a gang bang, but it seems the original meaning is this one

Also the lines "So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy wh**e soon?". Are not on his patreon description of his game. They are only here. So maybe these lines are not even from him.

I know it's not on his patreon, whatever is the story of this line, it always "troubles" me when I read it as it is dissonant with what this story is. At least so far.

 

[Sabertooth__]

eheh I had the same thought and chuckle reading it, so I googled (I'm not a native speaker) and... surprise
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It also means participant in a gang bang, but it seems the original meaning is this one

Guess we learn something new everyday.

I know it's not on his patreon, whatever is the story of this line, it always "troubles" me when I read it as it is dissonant with what this story is. At least so far.

I too don't like the line. I don't know about how L&P thought when he was starting back in 2017. He didn't seem that serious about the game in the beginning. So maybe this was a line from him back then but he later edited his patreon description since he didn't agree with the line anymore. Because the current L&P really values the game, we might all have different viewpoints on what is better for the game but he wants to uphold the game's quality that's still true. And he does seem to cherish his Sophia or atleast the model and it's representation. Atleast that's what I understood from talking to him and seeing his messages here or on mail. Now the truth is only known to L&P so one never knows.

 

[JesseBelmond]

Please tell me when he will fuck her?

 

[Kheram]

Please tell me when he will fuck her?

I think NEVER will be an understatement.

 

[armion82]

Kinda depends on what actually happened with Patreon. If they were getting complaints because of the second side job, then L&P could absolutely make this a small event with nothing interesting happening with the shota boys. They do have another event on PD14, so little in terms of in-game time will have been lost if their content was postponed a day.

I have a question.
Will he also release an update for DoL too?
In that case he should make completely new renders for the apostles.
If Dylan and Sam needed a complete make-over,I doubt the shotas can get a pass from Patreon.

L&P went on a bit of a rant and let slip that "Sophia’s first possible sex scene on a special filthy route will happen on playable day 19 of 30!". He deleted the post, but someone else quoted it, so you can still read what he wrote. It's under spoiler #5.

The problem is that PD19 have not a hetero sex scene planned.And according to his new plan PD16 will have 2.

The only drawback I see is that SS doesn't accept PayPal, which is I guess the reason why L&P still uses Patreon...

PayPal is the main reason why Patron become so strict.If it wasn't for them I bet Patreon won't give a shit.

 

[torgpolariski]

this really sounds a severe slow burn story.....