karleston

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You've said what I was thinking, (plus some tech stuff I wouldn't have had a clue about), the difference being that I'm a pirate. There are those here that seem not to recognise, or choose to ignore, that this is a pirate forum. Yes F95 is a pirate forum & it's crawling with "self-entitled leeches." This has been ongoing for years. So folks, if pirates offend you, or you feel they have no legitimate right to an opinion, you know what to do & there are several options. AWAM fandom is a very "broad church" & there should be room for all. Most fans, of whatever viewpoint, surely want AWAM to succeed, don't they?

I am a Patron but not of L&P. I prefer to support artists & creators who deliver on a tighter schedule. I was on the brink of supporting AWAM when events conspired to derail this plan. Afterwards, it was apparent that delaying tactics had arrived, which at that time could have been temporary but which turned out to be here to stay & were due to grow until the ludicrous current situation became the norm. I am satisfied that I havn't paid a penny towards this but nor do I presume to tell other people how to spend their cash.

There is no whining from me, it's called criticism & is usually meant as constructive criticism, whether it is perceived as such is another matter. There are some (almost) certainties about AWAM & one is that criticism will be ignored by the Dev. I sometimes wish that those certainties represented stability but they don't because to paraphrase a song, 'things can always get slower.'

I have never accused L&P of being a milker but posts in the comments have jogged my memory & I'm reminded of "The Boston Box", as developed in the USA at Harvard Business School, which anyone taking business studies or studying at a business college will probably have come across, or will do in future. [You'll have to make allowances for this reference because I learned about it in 1981/2 & I'm recalling as best as I can]. Divided into four internal squares the box contains in the bottom quarter a "cash cow" representing a successful, in-demand product, let's call it AWAM. Milking this cash cow is neither an inherently bad idea, unethical, or a bad business decision, provided people are prepared to pay for it. It could be the right thing to do. If the business is one person it doesn't require a Board meeting, or shareholders convention to decide what to do. It could even be an idea to experiment with the supply of the product to see what the market will stand, or better still attempt to increase the demand through rarity value. These are choices...choices made by people in the interests of staying afloat. They carry risks but doing nothing is also always an option that can succeed in favourable circumstances.

Now, despite the topic being AWAM & its' future, or lack of same, I'll await the "Removal" message.
OK, for me a milker is someone who makes minimum efforts and is trying to maximize the profits. Now the problem with that is that i'm pretty sure L&P is making huge efforts to get this game going. Right now, we are at approximately 4.5 renders per day. And don't forget about the rest, like the story, the renpy, the animations and so on.

Now if you tell me that you can do all of that in less than 6 hours per day. I will tell you to go make your own game. you will have great success for sure. And that's where these guys are wrong.

The guy is not a milker. He is a bad business owner. He is trying to do it all by himself. So you can dissociate constructive from criticisim with a guy like that. You are only criticizing. And its not helping by any means because he is not listening.

I am not saying you can't criticize him. You should and have the right to do that. What i am saying is that no one is listening.

I learned to take this game as it is. A good game with slow updates. If i want to play and there is no update yet, i will look somewhere else and that's it. No need for drama
 

ancienregimele

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OK, for me a milker is someone who makes minimum efforts and is trying to maximize the profits. Now the problem with that is that i'm pretty sure L&P is making huge efforts to get this game going. Right now, we are at approximately 4.5 renders per day. And don't forget about the rest, like the story, the renpy, the animations and so on.

Now if you tell me that you can do all of that in less than 6 hours per day. I will tell you to go make your own game. you will have great success for sure. And that's where these guys are wrong.

The guy is not a milker. He is a bad business owner. He is trying to do it all by himself. So you can dissociate constructive from criticisim with a guy like that. You are only criticizing. And its not helping by any means because he is not listening.

I am not saying you can't criticize him. You should and have the right to do that. What i am saying is that no one is listening.

I learned to take this game as it is. A good game with slow updates. If i want to play and there is no update yet, i will look somewhere else and that's it. No need for drama
There are many who will support him whatever he does. That's their choice. That he can deliver numerous, timely & quality renders, (as well as write a better story than presently exists), IMO, is shown by what was produced in the past. There are bound to be fluctuations for various reasons. Nobody expects perfection, which can only ever be a target. He's not particularly good at business but it's his choice to abandon his promise to recruit a work group or team. Nevertheless, he makes a good living, while everyone knows he could make far more with better management & with the amazing level of interest in AWAM, I mean FAR more. This thread has been at the forefront of maintaining that interest. Existing levels of free publicity, (ignore whether good or bad), would cost many 1,000s of Euros, Dollars or Pounds. [I know this because I used to write & pay for the recruitment publicity for some large organisations].

There's one main reason why I maintain any interest in AWAM & that's because this game was different. It was a step beyond the run of the mill, decent though some of those games are. I used to play a lot of other stuff but the visual novel format, along with what was, initially, a more adult approach to the genre, were enough to keep me & many others hooked from the start. I used to say that at last 3D erotica had a grown-up producing something for a grown-up audience (& after 20 years of such stuff), I privately thought it was about time. It really seemed that the adult porn game had at last reached adulthood.

As you say there's no need for drama. There is an inescapable fact, however, which is that if this thread consisted only of sycophantic tributes, along with endless questions around when will X fuck Y?, what's in the next update?, when is the next update?, I want to see Dylan, I want to see Sam, are we nearly there yet? etc., this thread would be boring. Many other game subject threads on F95 with less controversy & a lot less contributions are indeed, pretty boring.

It plays into L&P's interest to have fans amuse themselves in fruitless speculation, circular arguments, storyline debates & much more. We, the fans, have at various times, enjoyed these pastimes but in my own case...no more. It may have even helped him in his plan to delay everything...because IMO there's no doubt that he could make the necessary adjustments to not only develop AWAM at a faster pace but to let fans believe there might even be a conclusion to the saga before global warming destroys the planet....if he chose to do so. He chooses to become slower instead. If no-one highlights this then AWAM will end up as a once a year, one event fiasco, after which who knows?

Now, whilst it is true that I can realistically expect to have no influence & that L&P owes me nothing, I believe that change is always possible. It's not only possible but could well become an imperative for AWAM at this rate, before the mid-point of the story is reached. One of the dangers to a cash cow I didn't mention in my post above was that a lack of essential innovation, (& I don't mean needless animations), can lead to competitors taking advantage of product complacency, leading to the demise of that lovely cash cow.
 

devilsnaresid

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progress say's 100% ... Animation progress bar is not there , hopefully animation is completed and release for thanksgiving weeknd
 

ancienregimele

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Westerners do not like pubic hair
That's a broad statement & not true. Currently young people have a tendency to dislike it & that may be a majority but not all feel like that. So it's been a fashion thing for about the last quarter of a century. When I was young, (a long time ago), I appreciated both "looks", sometimes on the same woman within the same day. "Variety is the spice of life" is the real Western view for many people of all genders & ages.
 

armion82

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Well that won't happen. Since he has already confirmed that the Dylan Sophia events in the day will have Animations for sure.
And who knows, if the Christine Dylan Ellie event gets too spicy, an animation or two can be thrown in there too.
Damn.
And let's not forget we also will have Dylan/Marie and Dylan/Emma.Another potential animations lurking around.
 

PaxHadrian17

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Is there any chance to see Aiden with Ellie? maybe task 9/10?:sneaky:
With L&P, he can always throw in unexpected twists. This one, though, is awfully far out there.

Ellie goes to a different school, and she already has an asshole. cheating, egocentric boyfriend - so why add in a few more?

If you mentioned the idea of Ellie and Jennifer having a lesbian encounter - that is closer to her story path/choices.

Sophia has the option to 'save' Jennifer from Aiden and Andre (asking the Don to help both Sophia and Jennifer when she stops the Aiden blackmail at task 4).

Could this lead to Jennifer making the effort to thank Sophia and stopping by her house to do so? I believe it could.

If Sophia was not there but Ellie answered the door, Jennifer could reveal that Sophia saved her from a bad blackmail situation opening the door to building a friendship.

This friendship could lead to some lesbian experimentation at a party where it is just girls - spin the bottle, truth or dare - basic porn tropes to move the encounter into lesbian territory.

I don't recall seeing any hints that Jennifer is bi so again - this is only a potential encounter that would stay true to Ellie's choices (and Sophia's who is Absolutely Not going to reveal to anyone in her family that she is being blackmailed and the price of completing the blackmail is selling out her only daughter to Aiden and Andre to be used like a whore).

Sophia is a Wife and Mother - but she'd let Andre and Aiden pull a train on her before sacrificing Ellie to them. Always good to remember why she accepts Any blackmail at all - she is enduring this blackmail to protect Dylan from physical abuse far less severe than what you are proposing for Ellie.
 
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