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I feel you may have missed my point to some degree. Although I'm not a fan of incest, I see no reason why a good writer couldn't create a realistic story arc to cover this kink. Back when I started playing & the story was more balanced between the various fetishes, keen incest followers were seeking the development of a loving relationship between mother & son, built up over time, encompassed within the now infamous slow burn. As the Parkers are a middle class, wealthy, educated family this would have chimed better with 'realism' than what we have now with the totally ludicrous "race" between Dylan & Sam, where Dylan is just another example of teen porn shota-lite, with his added advantage of everyday access to Sophia. I understand L&P is trying to please his schoolboy fans who, presumably, identify with Dylan & Sam but the story is now cliched & has glaring inconsistencies. Forget realism, ('cos the Dev has), there's barely any basic logic left in the tale of "sex education." Putting it more crudely, it's not enough if there's to be any 'realism' at all, that Dylan is handsome, athletic, has a big knob & became a martial artist after 2 lessons. Sophia's 'frustration' with her sex life has also been badly written. Even if it wasn't, her first ports of call wouldn't include her own son. Putting the two of them together in incestuous situations may suit fans who just want to get on with the fucking, (sometime in the next 30 years, when they'll be middle aged) but their motivation has not been convincing.
We all make mistakes but IMO the Dev no longer has the commitment to the quality writing for which evidence exists from previous years, that shows what he can accomplish when he is on form. He probably wouldn't acknowledge that mistakes had ever been made. I believe that there will be no return to form, because he's chosen to write a generic teen porn game, rather than an erotic adult VN. It's far easier that way but I do believe he should re-write his promotional blurb/mission statement. "His game, his choice," so let him ruin what could have been the best 3D porn game of the 21st century. 'What's it to me?' is easily answered. This story, with the top quality renders, was the best game in town & it's disappointing to watch, (out of curiosity...& why I'm still here with no game to play anymore), its decline into mediocrity. Expectations for something better followed naturally from the Dev's statements, the artwork itself & the previous genuine commitment to quality, that used to be observable in the round & not just for renders.
I totally disagree that porn & realism are mutually exclusive, even in a work of fiction. I recommend the memoirs of the 18th century lover of many women Casanova, or the Victorian era biography, "Walter, My Secret Life." These are both factual but I believe they could well have been exaggerated &/or embellished. As for actual fiction I recommend the work of Anais Nin, as a good starter, showing how to maintain a veneer of realism. As for filmed fiction, I remember a 70's Swedish porno entitled "The Sex Tile," where a tile falls from a roof, hitting a woman & turning her into a nymphomaniac. It was so dire that half the audience, (including me), spent the 2nd half of that movie in the bar. It was unrealistic & boring but it did have lots of sex & didn't take 30 years. I also recall "Naked Tango," an 80's film, where a woman is abducted for sex & at one point shoots one of her molesters. That doesn't sound erotic but the story was engrossing & strangely believable, with well-written characters & plot twists. One film had a good story, the other one didn't. That's why I've said before that L&P should read or watch some classic or even half-way 'decent' porn, if he's out of ideas. It's not hard & it's not like he doesn't have the time. It's nothing like trying to eat boiled ice-cream either.
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how to get these scenes?The hottest scenes in entire this game. I just finished the whole game now. Lust&Passion You have really done this events well. keep going l&p. Congratulations
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Get ready for another insane lack of logic, lol.
He already stated that Sam will be the last to fuck her. Now, he also already contradicted many things said in that old Q&A but it'll probably hold because, by all rights, more should have happened in his bedroom. I already wrote about this but to have a teen boy that is obsessed with a woman and have that boy make out with her, suck her tits, take her panties off, etc and not try to go further is insane logic. It's beyond the realm of believability.
So, I don't doubt that he'll be last. By the logic of this story she'll fuck a random first.
But none of it matters because it's overwhelmingly more likely that none of us will see it. Her fucking anyone won't happen until about 2032 and by then he will have just abandoned it or half the OG fans will be dead.
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I agree with you.
And there is something I would like to add.
According to LP's schedule, sex is prohibited for Sophia with either Dylan or Sam for a minimum of 10 years.
What do you think the game will be filled with without sex in those 10, maybe 20+ years?
Touching buttocks, kissing, wearing swimsuits, again, going on a trip, touching breasts, kissing, wearing lingerie, and, creating and erasing new characters, and again, show tits, show panties, kiss and touch... again, again, again.....
There is a reason I keep talking about sex.
Due to the nature of porn games, the story cannot progress without sex.
Without sex, all Aiden can do is undress Sophia.
Without sex, Sam can do nothing more with Sophia.
Because there is no sex, Sophia's every action is predictable.
Since there is no sex, Don Morello can't do anything about calling Sophia to the club.
Will he put Sofia in a locker room where the regulars are waiting?
Then the regular will want sex.
Will he seduce Sophia?
Then he will want sex.
LP can never use this scenario.
As for this update, what can Sophia do at the club?
Will Sophia dance with other men?
Then what?
she will come back to her house.
The most corrupt behavior Dylan can do is watch Sofia dance with other men, then come to house and masturbate.
Or, as you would expect, Sophia touches Dylan's cock with her hands or butt, then goes home and goes to each room.
For 10 years, maybe 20 years.
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Not only is there not going to be any sex scenes with Dylan for the next week or so in-game, but even on a normal day like PD14, there are still 3 Dylan events. Assuming he'll average that on days he's scheduled to have events, that's about a dozen or so events with little to nothing happening.
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LP can fill the remaining event period with voyeurism events.
This is the biggest corruption event I can imagine right now.
Or drive a nail through the door to Dylan's dorm room so he can't come out.
There are plenty of examples of unrealistic story elements in AWAM, even in the more distant updates. Aiden story is, in my opinion, the prime example of this, as he is completely unbelievable as a gangster, but Sophia nevertheless sees no other option than to go along with his supposed intimidation. Also the story with the teacher colleague (whose name escapes me) was such a case, where it just not believeable that Sophia could fall for something like that. Then take the side jobs that are so clearly unrealistic, and are there solely to have more kinks in the game, that I almost can not believe that someone does not notice. Or the poorly written gangster mugging story, ...
Sorry, but you shouldn't confuse slow burn with realism. It just means that the more unrealistic events are taking longer to happen, but doesn't make it possible to pretend that it's suddenly realistic that Sophia (who was initially described as very conservative, and not even comfortable with nudity) is starting to become sexually active with all the people around her. The goal of a porn game is to exaggerate in one direction. No matter how well you write, this exaggeration will always remain unrealistic.
Now a little bit about Sam and Dylan. I honestly don't have the impression that the two are in a kind of race. Unless it turns out that Dylan was watching Sophia and Sam, Dylan doesn't even know about what is going on. Sam knows even less about Dylan's progress with Sophia. This whole discussion is more of an oddity in this forum. I at least don't participate in that, and think Sam and Dylan should team up to support each other in achieving their goals.
Again, I really think you're confusing slow burn with realism. Ultimately, L&P took the first third of the gamedays to build up the characters and their backstory. The goal here was to make things look normal, because that's what makes corruption exciting in the first place. But already here it was clear that this porn game would ultimately lead to sexual action. One example is perhaps the event in which Sophia went back to the school to take a shower. This was a mini blackmail, but just as unrealistic as the story with Aiden.
So what you see as a change in L&P approach, is nothing more than the game finally start to make some progress. Considering how many years the game has been in development, this is long overdue. No one has anything to gain if the game in 20 years is still working on slowly nothing happens.
I think one thing should be clearly separated. Pornography is defined as explicit sexual content created with the primary purpose of arousing the viewer sexually. This does not mean that the story has to be bad, even though this is unfortunately often the case. However, a inversion is not possible. Not every story with sex (that could sexually arouse a viewer) is automatically porn. "Naked Tango", for example, is not a pornographic film. It is an erotic drama.
If you look at AWAM, I would say it should be clear to everyone that it is porn. Sure, the story and characters are better fleshed out than in many other games here, but the intention is pretty clear. No matter how much L&P writes about a realistic story, in the end it will not be (real world) realistic. At the latest with the introduction of the side jobs, it was clear that the kinks of the players, not the story, were the decisive point here. Ultimately, I think you perceived the buildup of the story and the introduction of all the LI , without much having happened yet, as somehow superior. Perhaps the L&P talk of a realistic game has led to false expectations. Ultimately, however, AWAM can not be a (real world) realistic porn game, bevause this doesn't fit together. It's like there can be no (real world) hot ice cream.
I know we are all used to the standard porn game adverts showing up on F95.
Perhaps AWAM can prompt a new tag - multi-generational AVN (Long development time) and offer new add possibilities...
I'm waiting for the cryogenics advertisements to start showing up...
- Jan 25, 2021
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Let's party time.
He will have to come up with something bolder.
He will have to come up with something bolder.
I've never been guilty of confusing slow burn with realism but I believe that the lack of the "wham bam, thank you Ma'am" approach, provided a much needed antidote to the shoddy creations that are designed simply to showcase 3D models having sex, so that wankers can enjoy them. I never agreed with the "nun-like" persona for Sophia either & have on several occasions commented that an ordinary suburban wife's approach to sexual issues would have been better, i.e. just make Sophia a normal person. L&P overdid this aspect & I hope in his redraft that he takes it out. I've never suggested that Sophia's sudden sexual activity was realistic, just the reverse, in fact. It's only happening now because of the Patron's growing frustration IMO. If I hadn't thought that corruption would lead to sexual action, I wouldn't have played in the first place, so that issue has always been clear to me. AWAM promised to be superior to the corruption games I'd played up to that point, that's why I downloaded it in early 2018.
If I thought you'd missed my point before, this time I know you have. Slow burn may be an aspect of realism but what holds back the sex in AWAM, more than anything else, is the slow pace of development that L&P chooses to maintain. I've never muddled up those two issues. Time jumps could have been, (& on one occasion were), included to both continue the slow burn, (off screen, so to speak), while delivering sex & if combined with faster roll-out from the Dev, would not have seen such a decline in the game, such as the ridiculous leap from not wanting to wear a bikini in front of her son, to letting him fondle her tits in the bath, a couple of months later.
Aiden's blackmail, I've covered at length & even wrote & posted a scenario that would have made it more believable but that was some years ago, when I was a real fan. Personally I'd have preferred an adult, in the form of Bennett, to be the sole blackmailer. Sophia didn't "fall" for either of the blackmailers schemes, she acted in the interests of her son. Authorities tend to do nothing much about bullying, which is actually spot-on realistic for once. It's not Aiden that people are scared of so much as his powerful lawyer uncle, otherwise he could never have given orders to the gang assembled at his HQ. I understand that you don't like blackmail but it is as believable, if not more so, than what the incest stories have become. I decried Bennett's shortened storyline, resulting from a fan outcry, stemming from the desire for nothing bad to happen to 'our lady on a pedestal', white knighting & the general anti-blackmail lobby. (Then they had to tolerate Aiden).
There were times, years ago, when making suggestions didn't feel like a waste of time. I even wrote a semi-plausible coupling for Sophia & Dylan, although it would have been a sympathy shag, as befitted his whingeing, pleading approach to sex with his mother back then. Concerning the subway thugs, I agree that the scene was unrealistic, mainly in terms of Sophia's intelligence in a strange city. I'm not looking forward to their return. As for both side jobs, I've suggested ways to write them out. They're superfluous & they waste time, is the nicest thing I can say about them. That shower scene, with Sophia driving to her place of work, has so far, arguably, been the most unrealistic in the game. Like many aspects of AWAM, it also led nowhere.
Regarding the shota-lite race between Dylan & Sam, it's true that it has been hyped on this thread by fans but it was the Dev who instigated that via his comments about "hot" events & was apparently happy to go along with the concept. 'Dylan will catch up to Sam,' sounds like a race to me. It equates to a teenager starting his sexual exploits, (bearing in mind both lads are virgins) & keeping score in his head & sometimes sharing information with his mates. Average teen porn again.
You're right about "Naked Tango" being an erotic drama. Erotica consists of a story with strong elements of sexuality, while porn consists of sex & may or may not have an outline story. AWAM used to be adult erotica. That's the point I was attempting to make when comparing two films that dealt with sex. I know which of the two I found more arousing, so I don't agree that the inversion you refer to isn't possible. I can only speak for myself but I've seen & read all the trash porn I'll ever need. What I got wrong was none of what you attribute to me but it was in thinking that there was a place in the massive pantheon of 3D sex games for a quality product, well written, with first class renders & a motivated Dev. It wasn't wishful thinking for the first few years of AWAM but eventually turned out not to be the case.
I may have expressed myself badly. I mean that L&P quite obviously took only small steps (for example between Dylan/Spphia oder Ellie/Sophia) in the beginning to make Sophia corruption seem more realistic. However, I think it was foreseeable that this would be different at some point in mid and end game. In the intoduction L&P wrote: "So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy wh**e soon?". I'm not sure if this text has been changed in the time since first release of the game, but I think the story clearly sounds like a porn game. I at least had this understanding from the beginning. Also because this fits to the other games that can be found here. Even those with a good story. Therefore, my assumption is still that the game has not changed much, but only arrived in the midgame. You seem to see this as a negative. I think that this point should have been reached a long time ago, considering the long development time. Here is maybe something we really agree on. A big mistake L&P made was to include too many side stories. That delayed the development way too much. It doesn't need three gangsters, or an art school class in addition to the normal class, etc. etc. It also doesn't need three jobs either. More focus would have done the game good. Anyway, I think the game serves a purpose (with a lot of people playing it) and even if you see it differently, I think there are many here are glad that a little action is now possible. The game is still kind of slow, if you compare it with many other games here.
That there is a race between Dylan and Sam is only in the imagination of some players.
Both have completely different starting conditions. Sam is a romantic route from the start, while Dylan's route is, well, the SexEd route.
Sophia experiences the walk with Sam in a kind of romantic frenzy that, if she admitted it to herself, would seriously jeopardize her marriage. It doesn't matter that Sam Sophia doesn't actually have much to offer. Sure, he's endowed with artistic talents, but L&P consistently lets the young, inexperienced idiot shine through in Sam's actions/comments. But since Sophia is already in love, it doesn't matter to her.
Dylan, on the other hand, is Sophia's son. This is on the one hand a disadvantage for his ambitions on the other hand an advantage. Because once the moral and ethical boundaries are broken, Dylan is something of a fuck buddy for Sophia. In contrast to Sam, Dylan, as her son, is initially out of the question as a future replacement for Liam.
Dylan can't make any claims either, on the contrary he would always be interested in keeping the sexual contacts with his mother a secret. With Sam, on the other hand, Sophia has to fear that at some point he will ask Sophia to confess to him and their mutual love.
What that means to me is that if L&P caves in to pressure from players and supporters, Sam and Dylan's sexual contact with Sophia will only continue to be a tie.
Based on that reasoning, I understand L&P's statement that Sam will be one of the last people Sophia will have sex with.
Yea, full makeup mask clown mode on.
Still hot, but for me personally she is hottest when @ school or with summer dresses. Casual, light makeup.
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