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After saying this, this developer mentioned the possibility of expanding the story for Christine and Amy, and added one more route for Dylan.

The removal of side job events is not to focus on the main story but is for the Steam version's development.

However, since this developer said that Dylan is also a main character and included Ellie as a main character, it is possible that this developer will say that Christine's story and Amy's story are also part of the main story.
I'm really surprised that some here still question that Dylan and Ellie as Sophia's children are part of the main story in "A Wife and Mother", while the side jobs are just useless side stories. A good way to recognize which events are unnecessary is anything that does not advance the main characters (e.g. Sophia and her familiy).
 
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That kinda thing is a long way off. Doing a few fan art renders is easy enough, but a full story - that's tricky.
Maybe a short story first. An attempt to limit yourself to perhaps 40-50 images and still try to manage to createa an fun to read result. Something self-contained, as a kind of alternative to all the 10+ years projects here.
 

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I'm really surprised that some here still question that Dylan and Ellie as Sophia's children are part of the main story in "A Wife and Mother", while the side jobs are just useless side stories. A good way to recognize which events are unnecessary is anything that does not advance the main characters (e.g. Sophia and her familiy).
Does the meaning of the main character differ from country to country?

In "Endgame," the person who reminds Tony of his worth and makes him feel how loved he is, is his daughter.
And the person who gives Tony the courage to attempt time travel is his wife.

These are obviously important characters, but are they the main characters?

The main character is the person at the center of the story, and the story is structured around him.

The fact that not only Sophia but also Dylan and Ellie are main characters means that not only Sophia but also Dylan and Ellie will have their own stories centered around them. (Of course, that's how it's going right now)

Just because they are part of Sophia's family doesn't mean they automatically become the main characters.
(Liam is also the main character and her parents are also main characters?)

What is the standard for distinguishing between main characters and sub-characters?

Of course, sub-characters are those that assist the main character.

People wanted to see the process of Sophia becoming corrupted through Ava's children.
People wanted to see the process of Sophia becoming corrupted through Dylan and Ellie.
People also wanted to see the process of Sophia becoming corrupted through Patricia, Sam, and Aiden.

They were all in the same position.

Are these all main characters?

I'm not saying "Dylan and Ellie aren't main characters," I'm saying "Dylan and Ellie shouldn't be main characters."

This is because the main character is not automatically inherited because of family, but becomes the main character when the “writer” or “producer” decides.

The main character is someone who can lead the story even without Sophia.
(And now players are watching an event in which Sophia does not appear)

Dylan's solo story and Ellie's solo story cause Sophia's story to be delayed.

So I said in the past that there should be separate games for Dylan. (Ellie too)

And because this developer did not do that, Christine was added for Dylan and Amy was added for Dylan.

This developer said he would focus on the main story.
At the same time, this developer is cutting out a side story (Sophia's side job) while simultaneously adding another side story (Dylan's love life).
- Of course, to you, Dylan's love life is the main story, not a side story.

This is the situation you want and this is the situation I am criticizing.
And this is for the reasons you want and for the reasons I criticize.
 
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Does the meaning of the main character differ from country to country?

In "Endgame," the person who reminds Tony of his worth and makes him feel how loved he is, is his daughter.
And the person who gives Tony the courage to attempt time travel is his wife.

These are obviously important characters, but are they the main characters?

The main character is the person at the center of the story, and the story is structured around him.

The fact that not only Sophia but also Dylan and Ellie are main characters means that not only Sophia but also Dylan and Ellie will have their own stories centered around them. (Of course, that's how it's going right now)

Just because they are part of Sophia's family doesn't mean they automatically become the main characters.
(Liam is also the main character and her parents are also main characters?)

What is the standard for distinguishing between main characters and sub-characters?

Of course, sub-characters are those that assist the main character.

People wanted to see the process of Sophia becoming corrupted through Ava's children.
People wanted to see the process of Sophia becoming corrupted through Dylan and Ellie.
People also wanted to see the process of Sophia becoming corrupted through Patricia, Sam, and Aiden.

They were all in the same position.

Are these all main characters?

I'm not saying "Dylan and Ellie aren't main characters," I'm saying "Dylan and Ellie shouldn't be main characters."

This is because the main character is not automatically inherited because of family, but becomes the main character when the “writer” or “producer” decides.

The main character is someone who can lead the story even without Sophia.
(And now players are watching an event in which Sophia does not appear)

Dylan's solo story and Ellie's solo story cause Sophia's story to be delayed.

So I said in the past that there should be separate games for Dylan and Ellie.

And because this developer did not do that, Christine was added for Dylan and Amy was added for Dylan.

This developer said he would focus on the main story.
At the same time, this developer is cutting out a side story (Sophia's side job) while simultaneously adding another side story (Dylan's love life).
- Of course, to you, Dylan's love life is the main story, not a side story.

This is the situation you want and this is the situation I am criticizing.
And this is for the reasons you want and for the reasons I criticize.
This is just an excuse to delay the development of the main plot about Sofia and get money from suckers...
 
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Does the meaning of the main character differ from country to country?

In "Endgame," the person who reminds Tony of his worth and makes him feel how loved he is, is his daughter.
And the person who gives Tony the courage to attempt time travel is his wife.

These are obviously important characters, but are they the main characters?

The main character is the person at the center of the story, and the story is structured around him.

The fact that not only Sophia but also Dylan and Ellie are main characters means that not only Sophia but also Dylan and Ellie will have their own stories centered around them. (Of course, that's how it's going right now)

Just because they are part of Sophia's family doesn't mean they automatically become the main characters.
(Liam is also the main character and her parents are also main characters?)

What is the standard for distinguishing between main characters and sub-characters?

Of course, sub-characters are those that assist the main character.

People wanted to see the process of Sophia becoming corrupted through Ava's children.
People wanted to see the process of Sophia becoming corrupted through Dylan and Ellie.
People also wanted to see the process of Sophia becoming corrupted through Patricia, Sam, and Aiden.

They were all in the same position.

Are these all main characters?

I'm not saying "Dylan and Ellie aren't main characters," I'm saying "Dylan and Ellie shouldn't be main characters."

This is because the main character is not automatically inherited because of family, but becomes the main character when the “writer” or “producer” decides.

The main character is someone who can lead the story even without Sophia.
(And now players are watching an event in which Sophia does not appear)

Dylan's solo story and Ellie's solo story cause Sophia's story to be delayed.

So I said in the past that there should be separate games for Dylan. (Ellie too)

And because this developer did not do that, Christine was added for Dylan and Amy was added for Dylan.

This developer said he would focus on the main story.
At the same time, this developer is cutting out a side story (Sophia's side job) while simultaneously adding another side story (Dylan's love life).
- Of course, to you, Dylan's love life is the main story, not a side story.

This is the situation you want and this is the situation I am criticizing.
And this is for the reasons you want and for the reasons I criticize.
The story is not Sophia, but Sophia as "A wife and mother". That was the story from the beginning. For example, remember the scene in the car with Dylan sitting on Sophia's lap, looking down Ellie's cleavage. The story between Dylan and Ellie runs through the entire game, and repeatedly has repercussions for Sophia, as she is the mother of them. Just like you can't take Sophia out of the game, you can't take Dylan, Liam and Ellie out of the game either. Without Dylan, for examle, there is no Aiden story. Also, Without Liam, there is no Casino and therefore no Mafia in the game, etc., etc. As I said, the story is Sophia as "A wife and mother", and not just Sophia. What could easily be taken out of the game were the side jobs, because they had nothing to do with the story of the game. Just Sophia is boring. Only the possible consequences and entanglements give the game depth.That's why Dylan and Ellie are so important, and also what develops between them. This is something that many people here unfortunately don't understand.
 

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The story is not Sophia, but Sophia as "A wife and mother". That was the story from the beginning. For example, remember the scene in the car with Dylan sitting on Sophia's lap, looking down Ellie's cleavage. The story between Dylan and Ellie runs through the entire game, and repeatedly has repercussions for Sophia, as she is the mother of them. Just like you can't take Sophia out of the game, you can't take Dylan, Liam and Ellie out of the game either. Without Dylan, for examle, there is no Aiden story. Also, Without Liam, there is no Casino and therefore no Mafia in the game, etc., etc. As I said, the story is Sophia as "A wife and mother", and not just Sophia. What could easily be taken out of the game were the side jobs, because they had nothing to do with the story of the game. Just Sophia is boring. Only the possible consequences and entanglements give the game depth.That's why Dylan and Ellie are so important, and also what develops between them. This is something that many people here unfortunately don't understand.
Dylan's peek at Ellie's breasts was merely a device to inform the audience of their relationship.

Even now, their relationship is just an event for Sofia, and the main plot is not about Sofia improving their relationship.

Dylan is the main character.

But that's not because he's Sophia's son, but because this developer decided so.

Again, Sophia's family includes Dylan and Ellie as well as Liam and Patricia, as well as her parents.

Are all of these main characters?

As you said, before that, Dylan was just a device that connected Sophia and Aiden.

But now, his own story is being created.

It's not because Dylan "was" the main character, but because Dylan "became" the main character.
 

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Dylan's peek at Ellie's breasts was merely a device to inform the audience of their relationship.

Even now, their relationship is just an event for Sofia, and the main plot is not about Sofia improving their relationship.

Dylan is the main character.

But that's not because he's Sophia's son, but because this developer decided so.

Again, Sophia's family includes Dylan and Ellie as well as Liam and Patricia, as well as her parents.

Are all of these main characters?

As you said, before that, Dylan was just a device that connected Sophia and Aiden.

But now, his own story is being created.

It's not because Dylan "was" the main character, but because Dylan "became" the main character.
Everything in this game, including Sophia as a main character, is decided by the author. That's just the way it is with fictional stories.

What I'm really starting to wonder is why you're so qonsequntly ignoring the title of this game and even the plot. If it doesn't suit you, then create your own game, but AWAM is what it is, not what you or I want it to be.

One more thing about Aiden. He makes no sense without Dylan, and you should also think about the plot twist that has since been removed.To think that Dylan is just a side character is just wrong. This games was always also about him as Sophia son.
 
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Everything in this game, including Sophia as a main character, is decided by the author. That's just the way it is with fictional stories.

What I'm really starting to wonder is why you're so qonsequntly ignoring the title of this game and even the plot. If it doesn't suit you, then create your own game, but AWAM is what it is, not what you or I want it to be.

One more thing about Aiden. He makes no sense without Dylan, and you should also think about the plot twist that has since been removed.To think that Dylan is just a side character is just wrong. This games was always also about him as Sophia son.
Starting with the obvious fact that "the dollar is a key currency, but not the standard currency of each country," there are too many things that need to be explained here.

In other places, I discuss with people the psychology and justification of plot and characters, but here I have to talk about "main character O or X."

Because Dylan is the main character:
The scene where Sophia is threatened by subway thugs was detailed, but the scene where Dylan is beaten by Aiden was omitted?
The scene where Sophia talks to the police was unnecessarily long, but the scene where Dylan learns martial arts was omitted?

Part 1: In bed, when Sophia's hand touches Dylan's cock, why describe Sophia's feelings and not Dylan's?

Because Dylan was the main character from the beginning?

And I didn't deny that the developer decided to make Dylan the main character.
I am criticizing it.

Again, Dylan wasn't the main character, but this developer decided to make him the main character in Part 2, and I'm criticizing this decision because it delays Sofia's story.

And when you don't like the soccer team's performance, instead of criticizing it, you decide to create your own soccer team?
 
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Progress Report Ver. 0.195.

100% - 90% - 0%
0% - 0% - 70%

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I see all three bars complete by the end of the week! With 700 renders and animations included I see editing taking more than 3 weeks and as always a few days (3-4) for final testing. Without holidays release mid January, with holidays release end of January…

Unless LP follows his usual tradition and releases the update a couple of days in February! ;)
 
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Everything in this game, including Sophia as a main character, is decided by the author. That's just the way it is with fictional stories.

What I'm really starting to wonder is why you're so qonsequntly ignoring the title of this game and even the plot. If it doesn't suit you, then create your own game, but AWAM is what it is, not what you or I want it to be.

One more thing about Aiden. He makes no sense without Dylan, and you should also think about the plot twist that has since been removed.To think that Dylan is just a side character is just wrong. This games was always also about him as Sophia son.
The main character is only Sofia! All other characters are secondary! This is a fact that you don't want to accept in any way and are trying to justify the developer's lies! This has been happening since the very beginning of the game! But then, in order to stretch the game and milk the suckers, he came up with an excuse. Then another and a third. Now he started lying about some other main characters.
 
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