- Jan 13, 2021
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Ok, let's try to put some pieces together and unpack this v0.180.
Let's start with the numbers. There were 293 renders in the end, 33 for the resolution of the cliffhanger in Sam's event, and 260 for the hairdresser event. That makes a total of 462 renders for Sam's event. If you are interested in statistics, here is an updated graph for the top 15 events in terms of renders. Sam's is a solid second and the hairdresser event is 9th, a not-so-short event, after all.
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The cliffhanger
In the end, the cliffhanger, without much surprise, turned out to be a nothing burger. As in many tv-series and movies, Sam managed to close the door before Julia could see. Adding a new superpower to his already rich set of skills
As for the event itself, here are some random observations:
- Sophia will continue the romance only if she looks at the drawing and rewards him with a kiss. There is a little inconsistency between the code and the walkthrough: in the code, she continues no matter the kiss. This will be probably fixed in the next release.
- We noted in the previous release that Sophia could progress with Sam (remove the bra when they are in bed) only if she didn't have sex with Liam in the office and after the casino night. That left out the possible sex the night before the prison visit (PD 11) and now that condition
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has been added as well. So be aware if you are not replaying from the gallery.
- There were many speculations about the possibility of someone watching from the Parker house what happened in Sam's bedroom. Especially after the very last minute teaser of v0.180 in which Sophia and Dylan were in the car, seemingly talking about something embarrassing. Now we know that Dylan was not watching, as Sophia subtlly asked him when she realized that he could have been at home the whole time. There should be no surprises about this, it would be a horrible retro-fitting if at some point in the future we learn the opposite (especially considering Dylan's thoughts at the end of the next event).
That doesn't mean that nobody was watching, though. After all... nobody knows yet
- For once, there is a nice transition between the events, with Sophia having some thoughts and processing what happened. Well, at least if one was playing Sam's event.
- As for the aftermath of Sam's event, we see that Sophia embraced this juvenile secret-girlfriend relationship. Although, we know that next event with Sam on PD 14 will be short and focused on the cello lesson and that Sophia will try to cool things off to protect her marriage.
- One question remain, though, and it is about the branches of the story with the other choices in the hot tub event: Sam's event could happen only if she hid him in the hot tub, but even for the other choices she said she wanted to talk with him. One possibility could be that, for those two branches that still need some resolution the early and short event with Ellie will be all about trying to setting her up with Sam to avoid any further problems (and, in case, for this could also happen if Sophia refused to go further with Sam at any moment during the cello lesson).
The hairdresser event
At the beginning of the new event, while Sophia processes what happened, we discover that the reason for the trip to Claire is to impress Liam for the upcoming romantic night out. This is the first time it is mentioned, probably because it would have spoiled the evening events (?).
Then we found Dylan in the living room, either just arrived home or just brought home by Patricia (who we don't get to see) from the boarding school. And here Sophia realizes the risk she took in Sam's bedroom.
As expected, the event is splitted in two sub-events, following Sophia/Claire at the salon and Dylan/Marie. While there is no choice of POV as in the yoga event, the choices made back then have some influence on the events.
Sophia/Claire
To get the full event with Claire, one needs to have played Sophia's POV in the yoga event. Only in this case, she can allow Claire to touch her breasts and get a lesbian point. In particular, the requirements are:
- 14
patricia
points to get to the choice- at least 10
lesbian
point to accept.
On the other hand, the massage with the lotion will happen anyways, and, as usual, you need more filthy points thangood_wife
points to let Devon peek under the transparent cape.
Some takeaways from the Sophia/Claire event:
- as usual, the event was interrupted when things started to get spicy between them. Claire came off almost with a predatory vibe, let alone the political rant. It seems like, though, that there won't be any lesbian content with her
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- As it has been noted by many here, the thesaurus has been ransacked for the description of Sophia's breast, at times with some weird expressions. Here is a collection:
- "She gently gave Sophia's milk dispenser a little tweak, which Sophia's body reacted with a slight shiver of goosebumps."
- "She alternately massaged the plump, soft, round skin cushions a little more in all directions, noticing how Sophia looked a little uncertain."
- "Devon enjoyed chatting with her, continuing to occasionally drop his gaze down at her large, exposed eye-catchers."
- "As she chatted with Devon, she figured he seemed quite pleased with her luscious funbags and chuckled inwardly."
- "By now, her top had slipped even further down, revealing her twins in all their glory through the sheer fabric."
- "They continued to talk whilst Devon kept making eye contact with both her and her twins."
- "On one hand, he wanted to smack this slimy creep. On the other hand, it aroused him seeing him flirt with his mom while her voluptuous, nude titties were poking out in his direction, free for that guy to devour them with his lecherous glances."
- "Well, there're certainly worse things than two guys seeing your hooters for a second. Shit happens, I guess."
- (for Marie) "As hard as it was, Dylan tore his gaze from the girl's adorable pleasure melons and tried to have a normal conversation with her again."
- This might be the (usual) personal rant and nitpicking, but again there were some opportunities to include some inner thoughts for Sophia to improve the game immersion and make a link with past events. For example when Sophia says that her breasts have never been touched by another woman like that:
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she could have at least thought about Ellie, Julia or Nathalie, according to the path.
Or, again, in this case
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it is not really true considering for example the sauna event with Vicky or even the 3rd task. Ok, the context and the situation might have been different but it wouldn't have hurt to have this kind of connection.
- In any case, regarding this last passage, we can note that this update give us a Sophia more open to exhibitionism in public and to get herself engaged in erotic situations. We'll see where this may lead.
Dylan/Marie
Similarly to Sophia/Claire, this event requires to have played Dylan's POV during the yoga event, so that he can get the 3marie
points that will be necessary to complete this event.
The other important condition is that Dylan "borrows" money from Sophia's wallet at the very beginning, otherwise he won't be able to tip the waitress (thus impressing Marie and getting the points) and pay for the laundry and get to see Marie without bra.
"Borrowing" money is an interesting choice, story-wise. It seems like there will be more to it (he cannot have spent that much for the ice-creams and the laundry!). We also know from L&P answers that he will have to return the money the day after, otherwise Sophia will get mad.
This **could** mean that the rest of the money could still play a role in the next events (e.g. buying the booze for the party) or he will have to find a way to earn (or win) the money back somehow.
The "new feeling"
The end of the event is probably the "surprise" of the whole update. L&P already hinted before the release that the cuckold points might come into play sooner than we might have thought. Not to mention the last-minute teaser that we all interpreted as proof that Dylan was watching Sam's bedroom.
In any case, this event seems to mark the start of the cuckold route. While before there were only bland choices to collect the points and some dialogues depending on them, from Dylan's thoughts it seems that the next time he will really go to the bottom of it to test Sophia.
Now, before we get started with wild speculations (we did it already!), L&P has already clarified that the evening events with Sophia will be reserved for Dylan's progression, without cuckold events.
Interestingly, what happens in this event, cuckold included, can be played in the boarding school route. Which could mean that, while the boarding school path prevents any further interaction with Sophia, the cuckolding path **could** still be available in this route as well. The answer L&P gave to this question *seems* to be in that direction but the phrasing does not resolve all ambiguities.
The other aspect to consider is how Dylan will play out this cuckold thing. Will he scheme something from the beginning to put Sophia to test, or will it take the chance when the situation presents and either let it happen or push Sophia in some sort of situation?
One of the candidates is surely the soccer team and the events on the afternoon of PD14 when Sophia will drive Dylan to the football match. We got confirmation that Darnell (one of the teammates) will play a role there, as he did already in the past when he made some comments about Sophia in Dylan's presence. That could be one of the possibilities for the cuckold route.
And, btw, you might have noticed that Dylan said to Marie that the football match was the next day at lunchtime, while we were told by Sophia it was at 3:30pm during the tutoring event. Fear not, L&P's definition of lunchtime is way much looser than my definition of breakfast during the weekend
What's next
This update gave us also a little glimpse of what could happen in the evening events between Sophia and Dylan. Sophia is supposed to meet Liam for a romantic dinner. The easiest guess would be that the dinner is canceled to Sophia's great disappointment because e.g. Liam is stuck at work or some other unexpected event.
Following the typical cliché, Dylan could be helping with the dress choice at first, only to find himself consoling and cheering up her mother or even replacing Liam for the dinner out. And the evening could continue e.g. by the home pool/hot tub with a complimentary massage etc.
We do know that there will be a choice about the restaurant as L&P has indirectly confirmed that the restaurant plan might derail.
Needless to say that all speculations about a cuckold event during the dinner are now deprecated given L&P answer.
Let me finish with a cliffhanger question.
We know that Sophia won't have a harem, only one LI per route. Sam is now an "official" LI with the secret girlfriend deal. Dylan is supposed to get to the same level of progress as Sam by the end of the evening. Could this mean that the evening events can only happen if Sophia did not continue the relationship with Sam?![]()
I haven’t given this any consideration before, but could Patricia have driven Dylan home and then been the one who saw Sophia and Sam in the window? Isn’t that part of her role in this game, so see Sophia’s sexual side and then encourage her? Patricia was the one who caught Sophia letting Tyler slide his hand under her skirt and play with her pussy. I’m vague on the Biker Bar scene now, but doesn’t Patricia realize that there is something going on between Sophia and Sam, and encourage Sophia to ride home Sam? Perhaps this will be divulged in the Museum event?Again, this could be due to something happening later in the storyline, or else these details have been skipped over as irrelevant?!
I don't get deep into speculation, nor read others before a release. I prefer the story to unfold as I go through it...which is why I'd prefer a longer wait with a bigger update/more events.
For plastic surgeries i mean ,breast implants ,ass implants and lip filler ,or nose job.i didn't meaned medical emergencies. I always loved games where a normal woman becomes a bimbo so i tought that maybe this coudl be an idea for the final part. It depends..there are games where there is only corruption ,so the girl changes her behaviour and there is also my favourite genre ,corruption +bimbofication ,so the girl slowly gets corrupted and also change her style such as sophia started to do and maybe adding surgeries but it depend on dev's tastesSurgeries? Body modification is a way to ruin AWAM IMO & I'm not talking about a few tasteful tattoos. I've been waiting for someone to come up with this, ever since the story started to degenerate. Ever since it became just another porn game & the attempt at realism was ditched. It's such a well-worn theme.
Surgery is for medical emergencies. Why women with lips that look as though they've been stung by a bee have those injections done & think they look good is a matter of taste, or lack of it but surgeries, WTF? As for the bimbo MILF concept, that stock figure of so many teen porn 3D fantasy, wish fulfilment games on F95, Sophia is already on her way down that route, courtesy of the Dev. "Fake" is just that & so is "stupid" but don't worry, if enough paying Patrons contact the Dev & say they want this & do it often enough & loud enough, it will probably happen, despite Sophia being of the opposite opinion in the shower at the yoga event.
[Anybody thinking surgery is a walk in the park....you obviously have not had any. Cue facepalms from those who've never had a girlfriend but have had major surgery to have their brain removed].
"The game is very interesting. Branching the plot because of your decisions, in principle, is not the worst thing either. But not without disadvantages. Now updates are coming out, for me, almost empty, because earlier you made a different choice. It's sad. You are waiting for an update, and in the end, what is not available to you in the update.Игра очень интересная. Разветвление сюжета из-за твоих решений в принципе вещь тоже не самая плохая. Но не без минусов. Сейчас выходят обновления, для меня, практически пустые, потому что ранее ты сделал другой выбор. Это грустно. Ждёшь обновления, а в итоге, то что в обновление тебе не доступно.
Прошу, у кого есть возможность, скиньте сохранение, где София идёт в гости к Сэму.
Такая интригующая концовка в прошлом обновление, а продолжение посмотреть не могу.
It better not, I do think that would actually make me change my 5 out of 5 review to 1 out of 5.Let me finish with a cliffhanger question.
We know that Sophia won't have a harem, only one LI per route. Sam is now an "official" LI with the secret girlfriend deal. Dylan is supposed to get to the same level of progress as Sam by the end of the evening. Could this mean that the evening events can only happen if Sophia did not continue the relationship with Sam?![]()
I'm with you on this, I didn't like the stealing the money was in there at all.I don't normally speculate either - I'm just noticing increasingly lately that particularly on the boarding school route Dylan doesn't come off in the best light. Even down to there being a separate render of his room being a complete pigsty. He's even now stealing from his mother. Why couldn't he just ask for the money from Sophia? Or go to an ATM?
So, I said so much and you get stuck up on a word? I'm assuming you must be a paying member so can I ask wtf are you doing on a piracy forum? Doesn't L&P give enough attention on patreon or what? As you said that people who don't financially support the game have no right to question "milking" by dev, so going by the same logic, what reason do you have to be on a piracy forum? Isn't it for the love of game, I'm assuming it is, then what is the problem with discussing the imperfections of the game?You can find literally thousands of comments appreciating the dev for the content he provides,so do you also get stuck up about them financially supporting the game? I haven't seen anybody asking someone to not appreciate the dev because they don't support the game financially so what so wrong when people question him? Get off your high horse and grow up. We all are here just for the mutual love for the game, and while we appreciate the game, one has all the right to question the dev as well if he doesn't delivers.It's just funny when someone who is not financially supporting the game complains about "milking" when others who are financially supporting the game are not. It's OK for people playing them game to complain about the slow progress, but if you're not contributing financially, then your opinion on "milking" is irrelevant. Besides, from the numbers it doesn't look like L&P is raking money in hand over fist with this title. Given the amount of work involved, I think he's undercompensated.
He is doing that in between working on updates. He did not complete that so question of releasing that.hey guys, L&P made a remake of the beginning of the game, do you know about that? did him release this remake?
I would be almost completely persuaded by your suggestive consideration (Patricia's unexpected presence in the Parkers' home, once Dylan is excluded, would almost seem to suggest an interesting role for her in this affair) were it not for two (I think important) details:I haven’t given this any consideration before, but could Patricia have driven Dylan home and then been the one who saw Sophia and Sam in the window? Isn’t that part of her role in this game, so see Sophia’s sexual side and then encourage her? Patricia was the one who caught Sophia letting Tyler slide his hand under her skirt and play with her pussy. I’m vague on the Biker Bar scene now, but doesn’t Patricia realize that there is something going on between Sophia and Sam, and encourage Sophia to ride home Sam? Perhaps this will be divulged in the Museum event?
Questioning the dev's game or story decisions is one thing, but accusing him of milking supporters is wrong, yes, if the accusations come from non-supporters. It's like if I tagged along for free on a vacation you were taking. If I asked you where we were going next or what kind of food people ate in those places, you probably wouldn't mind those questions. But if I said you should have spent more on the hotel or tipped the waiter at a restaurant more, wouldn't you get angry? You'd think, if you want to stay at a different hotel, book your own with your own money!So, I said so much and you get stuck up on a word? I'm assuming you must be a paying member so can I ask wtf are you doing on a piracy forum? Doesn't L&P give enough attention on patreon or what? As you said that people who don't financially support the game have no right to question "milking" by dev, so going by the same logic, what reason do you have to be on a piracy forum? Isn't it for the love of game, I'm assuming it is, then what is the problem with discussing the imperfections of the game?You can find literally thousands of comments appreciating the dev for the content he provides,so do you also get stuck up about them financially supporting the game? I haven't seen anybody asking someone to not appreciate the dev because they don't support the game financially so what so wrong when people question him? Get off your high horse and grow up. We all are here just for the mutual love for the game, and while we appreciate the game, one has all the right to question the dev as well if he doesn't delivers.
But this would him make him not stand out IMO.If he made 300 renders for 3 events instead of 350 renders for 1, despite literally being fewer renders, most people wouldn't complain about the pace anymore. Realism or not.
Your comment doesn't make much sense, because the participation options on Patreon are mostly linked to an active subscription. People who are disappointed with L&P will certainly not pay money just to have the privilege of doing this in his forum.Questioning the dev's game or story decisions is one thing, but accusing him of milking supporters is wrong, yes, if the accusations come from non-supporters. It's like if I tagged along for free on a vacation you were taking. If I asked you where we were going next or what kind of food people ate in those places, you probably wouldn't mind those questions. But if I said you should have spent more on the hotel or tipped the waiter at a restaurant more, wouldn't you get angry? You'd think, if you want to stay at a different hotel, book your own with your own money!
I support several devs who make AVNs. This is one of them. Being a supporter on Patreon is a bit like being a customer and an investor, but you're still neither one. Like an investor, there's a risk involved in supporting a dev. It's minimal risk, depending on how much money you dole out, but it exists. There is no contract and the devs are anonymous. There's no suing them or taking any other legal action if they fail to deliver. And, if the game is a big success, supporters do not share in any of the financial rewards. The only benefit is early access to the game (though this site usually has new updates posted very quickly) and maybe some other small benefits, like having your gaming handle appear in the credits. Supporters are also not customers. Paying money to the dev on Patreon is no guarantee we will get a finished game. Supporters are willing to contribute to the dev in the hopes that there will be a finished game someday, or by whatever timetable the dev might give. But patrons are essential, as they motivate developers to take time and allow them to buy software and hardware to make their games possible. Everyone here owes those supporters a lot of gratitude. I am also grateful to supporters. I do contribute to several devs, but I also pirate some games. I try to do at least a one month subscription or buy a game on Steam or something when possible, but particularly in early development, I do pirate some titles to check them out.
So I am not bashing on this site or people who use this site generally, BUT you will never find me complaining about supporters or the financial aspect. It's not worth the emotional energy and if I'm pirating the game, I have no basis on which to complain. People downloading the game for free are taking the benefit of the supporters' contributions and dev's hard work while taking zero risk themselves. Zero! So then when Patreon supporters get bashed as stupid sheep being milked, to me that is a selfish and irrelevant view.
If you used to be a Patreon supporter and stopped for whatever reason, then I confess I am more sympathetic, but even so, to me the place to express dissatisfaction is on Patreon, telling the dev you're leaving etc. I know it can be aggravating. I have supported a few titles that have been abandoned and it was enormously disappointing.
Ultimately, L&P is at the mercy of his patrons. If enough people become dissatisfied, he'll either change his approach or he'll go out of business. In any event, people who are not patrons can either enjoy the game that L&P delivers, or spend their time on something else. For the moment, the quality of the title is high and given the support L&P has, he cannot work on this fulltime. From what I can see, he's earning his money.
I happen to like that AWAM is a slow burn (the story, not the development). It's much more realistic, however frustrating it is as porn. It's OK that you don't like how slowly it's moving, too. Let's just leave "milking" out of it, please. That's not what's going on here.
Except L&P is producing less overall renders each year for the past 3+ years. Yeah, less renders per event would speed up story progress which is the main issue as a single PD is taking 2+ years by now, but if he continues to create less renders every coming year, we'd eventually be back where we are now even if he were to reduce the render count per event.Like I said in the OT thread, LP is in a no-win situation.
He can't keep "realism" without people complaining/accusing him of blue-balling, lying and milking.
He can't ditch "realism" without people complaining/accusing him of , well, ditching the realism, lying and milking.
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I agree with another pervious comment, he isn't so much slow as he is inefficient. I've made the same point several times. He works at a similar speed as other devs with higher quality games. The difference is he uses 12 renders when another dev would use 5.
If he made 300 renders for 3 events instead of 350 renders for 1, despite literally being fewer renders, most people wouldn't complain about the pace anymore. Realism or not.
Maybe, but what makes him stand out the most is a VN that needs 35+ years to be finished. I'd prefer the lesser evil. Worked perfectly fine for early PD's where events where much shorter.But this would him make him not stand out IMO.
But this comes always here from like the same 3 people over and over again. If you ready the Patreon messages there is no one really complaining much. Most even say Take your Time.Maybe, but what makes him stand out the most is a VN that needs 35+ years to be finished. I'd prefer the lesser evil. Worked perfectly fine for early PD's where events where much shorter.
Yes it is still on. But I think he gave her 14 Days so it will be a long long time XDSorry guys, can anyone tell me if the blackmail with Mr. Bennet is still ongoing or has it been thrown off the story ?