ancienregimele

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There are plenty of examples of unrealistic story elements in AWAM, even in the more distant updates. Aiden story is, in my opinion, the prime example of this, as he is completely unbelievable as a gangster, but Sophia nevertheless sees no other option than to go along with his supposed intimidation. Also the story with the teacher colleague (whose name escapes me) was such a case, where it just not believeable that Sophia could fall for something like that. Then take the side jobs that are so clearly unrealistic, and are there solely to have more kinks in the game, that I almost can not believe that someone does not notice. Or the poorly written gangster mugging story, ...

Sorry, but you shouldn't confuse slow burn with realism. It just means that the more unrealistic events are taking longer to happen, but doesn't make it possible to pretend that it's suddenly realistic that Sophia (who was initially described as very conservative, and not even comfortable with nudity) is starting to become sexually active with all the people around her. The goal of a porn game is to exaggerate in one direction. No matter how well you write, this exaggeration will always remain unrealistic.

Now a little bit about Sam and Dylan. I honestly don't have the impression that the two are in a kind of race. Unless it turns out that Dylan was watching Sophia and Sam, Dylan doesn't even know about what is going on. Sam knows even less about Dylan's progress with Sophia. This whole discussion is more of an oddity in this forum. I at least don't participate in that, and think Sam and Dylan should team up to support each other in achieving their goals.




Again, I really think you're confusing slow burn with realism. Ultimately, L&P took the first third of the gamedays to build up the characters and their backstory. The goal here was to make things look normal, because that's what makes corruption exciting in the first place. But already here it was clear that this porn game would ultimately lead to sexual action. One example is perhaps the event in which Sophia went back to the school to take a shower. This was a mini blackmail, but just as unrealistic as the story with Aiden.

So what you see as a change in L&P approach, is nothing more than the game finally start to make some progress. Considering how many years the game has been in development, this is long overdue. No one has anything to gain if the game in 20 years is still working on slowly nothing happens.



I think one thing should be clearly separated. Pornography is defined as explicit sexual content created with the primary purpose of arousing the viewer sexually. This does not mean that the story has to be bad, even though this is unfortunately often the case. However, a inversion is not possible. Not every story with sex (that could sexually arouse a viewer) is automatically porn. "Naked Tango", for example, is not a pornographic film. It is an erotic drama.

If you look at AWAM, I would say it should be clear to everyone that it is porn. Sure, the story and characters are better fleshed out than in many other games here, but the intention is pretty clear. No matter how much L&P writes about a realistic story, in the end it will not be (real world) realistic. At the latest with the introduction of the side jobs, it was clear that the kinks of the players, not the story, were the decisive point here. Ultimately, I think you perceived the buildup of the story and the introduction of all the LI , without much having happened yet, as somehow superior. Perhaps the L&P talk of a realistic game has led to false expectations. Ultimately, however, AWAM can not be a (real world) realistic porn game, bevause this doesn't fit together. It's like there can be no (real world) hot ice cream.
I've never been guilty of confusing slow burn with realism but I believe that the lack of the "wham bam, thank you Ma'am" approach, provided a much needed antidote to the shoddy creations that are designed simply to showcase 3D models having sex, so that wankers can enjoy them. I never agreed with the "nun-like" persona for Sophia either & have on several occasions commented that an ordinary suburban wife's approach to sexual issues would have been better, i.e. just make Sophia a normal person. L&P overdid this aspect & I hope in his redraft that he takes it out. I've never suggested that Sophia's sudden sexual activity was realistic, just the reverse, in fact. It's only happening now because of the Patron's growing frustration IMO. If I hadn't thought that corruption would lead to sexual action, I wouldn't have played in the first place, so that issue has always been clear to me. AWAM promised to be superior to the corruption games I'd played up to that point, that's why I downloaded it in early 2018.

If I thought you'd missed my point before, this time I know you have. Slow burn may be an aspect of realism but what holds back the sex in AWAM, more than anything else, is the slow pace of development that L&P chooses to maintain. I've never muddled up those two issues. Time jumps could have been, (& on one occasion were), included to both continue the slow burn, (off screen, so to speak), while delivering sex & if combined with faster roll-out from the Dev, would not have seen such a decline in the game, such as the ridiculous leap from not wanting to wear a bikini in front of her son, to letting him fondle her tits in the bath, a couple of months later.

Aiden's blackmail, I've covered at length & even wrote & posted a scenario that would have made it more believable but that was some years ago, when I was a real fan. Personally I'd have preferred an adult, in the form of Bennett, to be the sole blackmailer. Sophia didn't "fall" for either of the blackmailers schemes, she acted in the interests of her son. Authorities tend to do nothing much about bullying, which is actually spot-on realistic for once. It's not Aiden that people are scared of so much as his powerful lawyer uncle, otherwise he could never have given orders to the gang assembled at his HQ. I understand that you don't like blackmail but it is as believable, if not more so, than what the incest stories have become. I decried Bennett's shortened storyline, resulting from a fan outcry, stemming from the desire for nothing bad to happen to 'our lady on a pedestal', white knighting & the general anti-blackmail lobby. (Then they had to tolerate Aiden).

There were times, years ago, when making suggestions didn't feel like a waste of time. I even wrote a semi-plausible coupling for Sophia & Dylan, although it would have been a sympathy shag, as befitted his whingeing, pleading approach to sex with his mother back then. Concerning the subway thugs, I agree that the scene was unrealistic, mainly in terms of Sophia's intelligence in a strange city. I'm not looking forward to their return. As for both side jobs, I've suggested ways to write them out. They're superfluous & they waste time, is the nicest thing I can say about them. That shower scene, with Sophia driving to her place of work, has so far, arguably, been the most unrealistic in the game. Like many aspects of AWAM, it also led nowhere.

Regarding the shota-lite race between Dylan & Sam, it's true that it has been hyped on this thread by fans but it was the Dev who instigated that via his comments about "hot" events & was apparently happy to go along with the concept. 'Dylan will catch up to Sam,' sounds like a race to me. It equates to a teenager starting his sexual exploits, (bearing in mind both lads are virgins) & keeping score in his head & sometimes sharing information with his mates. Average teen porn again.

You're right about "Naked Tango" being an erotic drama. Erotica consists of a story with strong elements of sexuality, while porn consists of sex & may or may not have an outline story. AWAM used to be adult erotica. That's the point I was attempting to make when comparing two films that dealt with sex. I know which of the two I found more arousing, so I don't agree that the inversion you refer to isn't possible. I can only speak for myself but I've seen & read all the trash porn I'll ever need. What I got wrong was none of what you attribute to me but it was in thinking that there was a place in the massive pantheon of 3D sex games for a quality product, well written, with first class renders & a motivated Dev. It wasn't wishful thinking for the first few years of AWAM but eventually turned out not to be the case.
 

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I've never been guilty of confusing slow burn with realism but I believe that the lack of the "wham bam, thank you Ma'am" approach, provided a much needed antidote to the shoddy creations that are designed simply to showcase 3D models having sex, so that wankers can enjoy them. I never agreed with the "nun-like" persona for Sophia either & have on several occasions commented that an ordinary suburban wife's approach to sexual issues would have been better, i.e. just make Sophia a normal person. L&P overdid this aspect & I hope in his redraft that he takes it out. I've never suggested that Sophia's sudden sexual activity was realistic, just the reverse, in fact. It's only happening now because of the Patron's growing frustration IMO. If I hadn't thought that corruption would lead to sexual action, I wouldn't have played in the first place, so that issue has always been clear to me. AWAM promised to be superior to the corruption games I'd played up to that point, that's why I downloaded it in early 2018.

If I thought you'd missed my point before, this time I know you have. Slow burn may be an aspect of realism but what holds back the sex in AWAM, more than anything else, is the slow pace of development that L&P chooses to maintain. I've never muddled up those two issues. Time jumps could have been, (& on one occasion were), included to both continue the slow burn, (off screen, so to speak), while delivering sex & if combined with faster roll-out from the Dev, would not have seen such a decline in the game, such as the ridiculous leap from not wanting to wear a bikini in front of her son, to letting him fondle her tits in the bath, a couple of months later.

Aiden's blackmail, I've covered at length & even wrote & posted a scenario that would have made it more believable but that was some years ago, when I was a real fan. Personally I'd have preferred an adult, in the form of Bennett, to be the sole blackmailer. Sophia didn't "fall" for either of the blackmailers schemes, she acted in the interests of her son. Authorities tend to do nothing much about bullying, which is actually spot-on realistic for once. It's not Aiden that people are scared of so much as his powerful lawyer uncle, otherwise he could never have given orders to the gang assembled at his HQ. I understand that you don't like blackmail but it is as believable, if not more so, than what the incest stories have become. I decried Bennett's shortened storyline, resulting from a fan outcry, stemming from the desire for nothing bad to happen to 'our lady on a pedestal', white knighting & the general anti-blackmail lobby. (Then they had to tolerate Aiden).

There were times, years ago, when making suggestions didn't feel like a waste of time. I even wrote a semi-plausible coupling for Sophia & Dylan, although it would have been a sympathy shag, as befitted his whingeing, pleading approach to sex with his mother back then. Concerning the subway thugs, I agree that the scene was unrealistic, mainly in terms of Sophia's intelligence in a strange city. I'm not looking forward to their return. As for both side jobs, I've suggested ways to write them out. They're superfluous & they waste time, is the nicest thing I can say about them. That shower scene, with Sophia driving to her place of work, has so far, arguably, been the most unrealistic in the game. Like many aspects of AWAM, it also led nowhere.

Regarding the shota-lite race between Dylan & Sam, it's true that it has been hyped on this thread by fans but it was the Dev who instigated that via his comments about "hot" events & was apparently happy to go along with the concept. 'Dylan will catch up to Sam,' sounds like a race to me. It equates to a teenager starting his sexual exploits, (bearing in mind both lads are virgins) & keeping score in his head & sometimes sharing information with his mates. Average teen porn again.

You're right about "Naked Tango" being an erotic drama. Erotica consists of a story with strong elements of sexuality, while porn consists of sex & may or may not have an outline story. AWAM used to be adult erotica. That's the point I was attempting to make when comparing two films that dealt with sex. I know which of the two I found more arousing, so I don't agree that the inversion you refer to isn't possible. I can only speak for myself but I've seen & read all the trash porn I'll ever need. What I got wrong was none of what you attribute to me but it was in thinking that there was a place in the massive pantheon of 3D sex games for a quality product, well written, with first class renders & a motivated Dev. It wasn't wishful thinking for the first few years of AWAM but eventually turned out not to be the case.
I may have expressed myself badly. I mean that L&P quite obviously took only small steps (for example between Dylan/Spphia oder Ellie/Sophia) in the beginning to make Sophia corruption seem more realistic. However, I think it was foreseeable that this would be different at some point in mid and end game. In the intoduction L&P wrote: "So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy wh**e soon?". I'm not sure if this text has been changed in the time since first release of the game, but I think the story clearly sounds like a porn game. I at least had this understanding from the beginning. Also because this fits to the other games that can be found here. Even those with a good story. Therefore, my assumption is still that the game has not changed much, but only arrived in the midgame. You seem to see this as a negative. I think that this point should have been reached a long time ago, considering the long development time. Here is maybe something we really agree on. A big mistake L&P made was to include too many side stories. That delayed the development way too much. It doesn't need three gangsters, or an art school class in addition to the normal class, etc. etc. It also doesn't need three jobs either. More focus would have done the game good. Anyway, I think the game serves a purpose (with a lot of people playing it) and even if you see it differently, I think there are many here are glad that a little action is now possible. The game is still kind of slow, if you compare it with many other games here.
 
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Seems like everyone has a horse in this race to be the first to get Sophia's cookie. Did some thinking about the storyline and have come up with the following:

Having two "new" content releases of Dylan is to tie the score between Dylan and Sam. There would be a serious plot hole if we get a new Sam route and nothing serious happens. If you take the plausibility of Sam's path, the next time Sophia and Sam have alone time, events ought to go ballistic simply because Sophia all but gave herself to him. This new Dylan route that is coming ought to be equal or on par with "The Talk."

Of course, the Devs could really frak everyone over and just go on with some other side route that is currently in play and leave us hanging with the Sam/Dylan route. And likely after this upcoming Dylan route release that is what will most likely happen.
That there is a race between Dylan and Sam is only in the imagination of some players.
Both have completely different starting conditions. Sam is a romantic route from the start, while Dylan's route is, well, the SexEd route.
Sophia experiences the walk with Sam in a kind of romantic frenzy that, if she admitted it to herself, would seriously jeopardize her marriage. It doesn't matter that Sam Sophia doesn't actually have much to offer. Sure, he's endowed with artistic talents, but L&P consistently lets the young, inexperienced idiot shine through in Sam's actions/comments. But since Sophia is already in love, it doesn't matter to her.
Dylan, on the other hand, is Sophia's son. This is on the one hand a disadvantage for his ambitions on the other hand an advantage. Because once the moral and ethical boundaries are broken, Dylan is something of a fuck buddy for Sophia. In contrast to Sam, Dylan, as her son, is initially out of the question as a future replacement for Liam.
Dylan can't make any claims either, on the contrary he would always be interested in keeping the sexual contacts with his mother a secret. With Sam, on the other hand, Sophia has to fear that at some point he will ask Sophia to confess to him and their mutual love.
What that means to me is that if L&P caves in to pressure from players and supporters, Sam and Dylan's sexual contact with Sophia will only continue to be a tie.
Based on that reasoning, I understand L&P's statement that Sam will be one of the last people Sophia will have sex with.
 
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I've never been guilty of confusing slow burn with realism but I believe that the lack of the "wham bam, thank you Ma'am" approach, provided a much needed antidote to the shoddy creations that are designed simply to showcase 3D models having sex, so that wankers can enjoy them. I never agreed with the "nun-like" persona for Sophia either & have on several occasions commented that an ordinary suburban wife's approach to sexual issues would have been better, i.e. just make Sophia a normal person. L&P overdid this aspect & I hope in his redraft that he takes it out. I've never suggested that Sophia's sudden sexual activity was realistic, just the reverse, in fact. It's only happening now because of the Patron's growing frustration IMO. If I hadn't thought that corruption would lead to sexual action, I wouldn't have played in the first place, so that issue has always been clear to me. AWAM promised to be superior to the corruption games I'd played up to that point, that's why I downloaded it in early 2018.

If I thought you'd missed my point before, this time I know you have. Slow burn may be an aspect of realism but what holds back the sex in AWAM, more than anything else, is the slow pace of development that L&P chooses to maintain. I've never muddled up those two issues. Time jumps could have been, (& on one occasion were), included to both continue the slow burn, (off screen, so to speak), while delivering sex & if combined with faster roll-out from the Dev, would not have seen such a decline in the game, such as the ridiculous leap from not wanting to wear a bikini in front of her son, to letting him fondle her tits in the bath, a couple of months later.

Aiden's blackmail, I've covered at length & even wrote & posted a scenario that would have made it more believable but that was some years ago, when I was a real fan. Personally I'd have preferred an adult, in the form of Bennett, to be the sole blackmailer. Sophia didn't "fall" for either of the blackmailers schemes, she acted in the interests of her son. Authorities tend to do nothing much about bullying, which is actually spot-on realistic for once. It's not Aiden that people are scared of so much as his powerful lawyer uncle, otherwise he could never have given orders to the gang assembled at his HQ. I understand that you don't like blackmail but it is as believable, if not more so, than what the incest stories have become. I decried Bennett's shortened storyline, resulting from a fan outcry, stemming from the desire for nothing bad to happen to 'our lady on a pedestal', white knighting & the general anti-blackmail lobby. (Then they had to tolerate Aiden).

There were times, years ago, when making suggestions didn't feel like a waste of time. I even wrote a semi-plausible coupling for Sophia & Dylan, although it would have been a sympathy shag, as befitted his whingeing, pleading approach to sex with his mother back then. Concerning the subway thugs, I agree that the scene was unrealistic, mainly in terms of Sophia's intelligence in a strange city. I'm not looking forward to their return. As for both side jobs, I've suggested ways to write them out. They're superfluous & they waste time, is the nicest thing I can say about them. That shower scene, with Sophia driving to her place of work, has so far, arguably, been the most unrealistic in the game. Like many aspects of AWAM, it also led nowhere.

Regarding the shota-lite race between Dylan & Sam, it's true that it has been hyped on this thread by fans but it was the Dev who instigated that via his comments about "hot" events & was apparently happy to go along with the concept. 'Dylan will catch up to Sam,' sounds like a race to me. It equates to a teenager starting his sexual exploits, (bearing in mind both lads are virgins) & keeping score in his head & sometimes sharing information with his mates. Average teen porn again.

You're right about "Naked Tango" being an erotic drama. Erotica consists of a story with strong elements of sexuality, while porn consists of sex & may or may not have an outline story. AWAM used to be adult erotica. That's the point I was attempting to make when comparing two films that dealt with sex. I know which of the two I found more arousing, so I don't agree that the inversion you refer to isn't possible. I can only speak for myself but I've seen & read all the trash porn I'll ever need. What I got wrong was none of what you attribute to me but it was in thinking that there was a place in the massive pantheon of 3D sex games for a quality product, well written, with first class renders & a motivated Dev. It wasn't wishful thinking for the first few years of AWAM but eventually turned out not to be the case.
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Next event is supposed to happen in a nightclub. Gonna be part02 of the current Dylan&Sophia events. Nobody knows what's going to happen, so we can't tell if it's "hotter" or not.
Thank you for replying to my post. So, will the next Sophia/Dylan part 2 be a normal event like part 1? So, it seems best that we don't hold any expectations on this next Dylan event.


And oh boy would I recommend you to run away now before it's too late. First playthrough is great, but from now on, well, let's just say you wanna make sure that you stay healthy for a long, long time.
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Sams scenes are easily the best
Among the few hot events in the entire game are the Sam and Aiden events and a couple of lesbian events. But my favorite and best events or scenes are the sam events.l&p put a lot of effort in the sam storyline in the game, for that, I would like to say that sam's event is the best event.

I could see that Sophia was also feeling very comfortable only with Sam. But she feels very uncomfortable with other characters. I think she likes and trusts Sam more than her family members.
 
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Patricia and Dylan have helped Sophia/Sam become very close and have a romantic relationship. For that, the Sophia/Sam relationship progressed rapidly. I think that maybe, if Patricia or someone else could push or help Dylan like this, the Dylan/Sophia storyline would be better.


If someone helps Dylan like this in the next event, maybe Sophia/Dylan will become very close and an intimate/romantic relationship will develop between them. Do something like this Lust&Passion

What do you guys think about this idea. I mean, it really helps the Dylan storyline.
 
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Sams scenes are easily the best
If you are only focusing on Sophia, perhaps, but Sophia has yet to take an active role in pleasing someone else.

The Dylan/Amber sex scene where Dylan fingerbanged Amber while Amber gave Dylan a hand job - all while Dylan, Amber and her family were eating lunch was Much hotter.

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If you made the choice to send Dylan to boarding school versus having Sophia get blackmailed by Aiden, then Dylan's sexual encounters include this and the anticipated other firsts (although we will not get to enjoy these until the 2040s RL since I doubt Dylan/Amber encounters are happening before the next weekend home).
 

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If you are only focusing on Sophia, perhaps, but Sophia has yet to take an active role in pleasing someone else.

The Dylan/Amber sex scene where Dylan fingerbanged Amber while Amber gave Dylan a hand job - all while Dylan, Amber and her family were eating lunch was Much hotter.

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If you made the choice to send Dylan to boarding school versus having Sophia get blackmailed by Aiden, then Dylan's sexual encounters include this and the anticipated other firsts (although we will not get to enjoy these until the 2040s RL since I doubt Dylan/Amber encounters are happening before the next weekend home).
After this scene, my Margarita changed from Sofia to Amber, but my Amber has no schedule. :cry:
 

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I didn't think so because he told her that he couldn't sleep because he dreamed about her naked body and then she still wanted to show him her areola.
Then when she showed her naked body, he actually continued to paint her without any impulse.
He pulled down her panties from her otherwise naked body and didn't even try anything lol.

Before that he had her on his bed as he played with and sicked her tits...and didn't try anything.

Any argument of "well, he did but she denied him" is laughable. He moved his hand, she said a cheeky "no way" and seconds later he's sucking on her tits.
That order of escalation is just not realistic. It's a virgin's mentality of how something like that would go down as a teen boy obsessed with this 10/10 would have to be REALLY denied in that situation. They'd push it as much as possible.

"Well, that can't happen in the story so soon"

Then don't put it in the story at all. Write it better.
I'm on record that his bedroom scene is the best in the story so far but that doesn't mean it makes any sense at all. It doesn't. It's just the first event where...something, anything...happens.
 

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The only predictable thing will be the interuption...
"Dylan let's stop dancing and go in the corner booth."
"Oh mom your so drunk. I want to suck on yo..."
"HI. I'm your barman. Can I get you another drink?"
"Dylan let's go someplace private. Let's park down this deserted street"
"Oh mom I am so hard. Touch m..."
"Hey. Local police here. You all having car trouble?"
"Oh darn Mom. Let's get up on the roof. Its private up there"
"Oh Dylan yes put your fingers on my we..."
"Merry Christmas. Just gonna park my sleigh here while I drop down your chimney. Not interrupting anything am I? Ho ho ho"

And so it goes....event to event
 
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