VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205b] [Lust & Passion]

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[ashitanojoe]

The romper was poisoned from the very beginning and was always going to be criticized. The dialog was tacked on to justify that patrons' votes. Still though, in-game she's had some exposition about what she wears so it would be good to have more. I don't think this new outfit is as poisoned as the romper, so I think it can still work- but I think it would be mistake for L&P to not address it. It helps that the new outfit actually looks cute, whereas I thought the romper was just a poor design all-around.

To be honest I think L&P chose that new outfit to make a hotter event instead of a Sophia's thoughtful decision, but we will see. Although, one justification could be Sophia thinking in an event after Aiden's one and decide to wear it already to not losing time for the next event.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

To be honest I think L&P chose that new outfit to make a hotter event instead of a Sophia's thoughtful decision, but we will see.

And that's ok. If he wants the outfit because he thinks it will make the scene hotter, that isn't necessarily wrong or lame. I mean, we're all dying for some fun in this game, so I'm not going to begrudge L&P for doing something that could make a scene more fun. But it'll be lame if he tries to write Sophia as unknowing that she's wearing something cute. L&P can put her in that outfit and still explain that Sophia made the active decision to wear it for some reason. What I don't want to see is her getting felt up in the alley while she says to herself "Oh no, my top is too loose. My boobs are falling out!" That would rank right up there with lame porn dialog when the pizza guy asks if I want sausage on my pizza.

 

[hzafery]

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[/ALINTI]
can i have the link of the fan art with this picture

 

[Goga011]

can i have the link of the fan art with this picture

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-fan-art.15218/post-7960602

 

[PaxHadrian17]

If this VN is ever finished (i.e seemingly in the late 2030's at current update) I will probably do a playthrough with Sophia having some fun but being somewhat rational as to how far to push things (i.e. similar to my very first playthrough. However until then I will be playing with full suspension of disbelief, trying to maximise the number of Filthy points, in the hope that it gets to sexual scenes ASAP (with just one exception that we discussed a couple of episodes back)

Poser Voyeur, I'm thinking we are now into the 2040's, given 18 playable days left and more than 1 year (at current pace)/playable day update. To put it in perspective, AWAM's total development time will, if completed, span as much time as the period from the end of WW I to the beginning of WW II.

How many more playable days will go by before we get the...' Renpy/Daz/xyz software has changed so much that I am going to have to do a remaster, starting from day 1, but it's okay - everything will be in 8K with many animations (getting pushed on a swing, jumping on a trampoline, drinking coffee).'

 

[Goga011]

I can live with the new outfit, but I think it would be helpful if we got a little bit of exposition from Sophia explaining to herself (and by extension, the player) why she chose to get changed before seeing Aiden. I don't even mind if it's attributed to her corruption. I'd just like to see Sophia say something like "I look really good. I'm getting kinda tired of always dressing so modestly, and I don't need Aiden and his blackmail as an excuse to dress in something cute. Fuck that kid, I'll do what I want." What would be dumb is if she goes there and is surprised that Aiden and his friends think she's dressed up. I want her to show agency over her decision making, and acknowledge that she's stepping outside of her normal boundaries. If she does that then I may be able to accept the outfit more easily.

To me, much of the game still feels like it's trying to have Sophia both ways. In her words she still sounds very naive and bashful, but in her actions she's increasingly corrupt. We need to see her character embrace her current level of corruption better, and one way to do that is by acknowledging that she's dressing differently and enjoying doing so.

Totally agree. It would be more erotic to hear Sophia thoughts about her behavior than guessing. I hope that she will do that on the beginning of the task. There is medical explanation, or at least an assumption, of her behavior. Masochism is quite common at female population. By some studies there is 40 - 70% of women who fantasize about some sort of masochism. Quote from MSD MANUAL "Women have been repeatedly and intensely aroused by being humiliated, beaten, bound, or otherwise abused; arousal is expressed in fantasies, intense urges, or behaviors."

It is obvious that Sophia is thrilled by risk situation. She risk at school to lose her job, she risk by riding bike to unknown place, and now she risk by going to allay. I think that she tries to justify her behavior by accusing Aiden's blackmailing, but in reality she desperately need that. Something like heroin addict.

 

[ancienregimele]

Sophia, already tried to justify his outfit election for Sam's concert in front of the mirror, but still some people were not convinced by her justification https://f95zone.to/goto/post?id=6991376

L&P wanted the romper. It wouldn't have been 1 of only 2 choices in a (foregone conclusion) poll otherwise. He knows his (paying) audience, their demographic & how they'd vote. Polls give an impression of & in some cases do fulfil, the wish for Patrons to feel more involved. Then there's "plausible deniability" to be considered...

 

[gabich69]

Hello guys. I didnt play since the last update. Can someone tell me how is the content on this 0.160? Did you spend a good time playing on this? Is sophia doing some naughty things?

 

[hzjujk]

You make a number of well presented (and well illustrated) points. Thank you.

Regards Sophia now feeling "comfortable" or "accepting" around Aiden, I believe she is. Only I would go further and say Sophia is now beginning to feel subtly relaxed in Aiden's presence, even as he reads out the script to the next task she's about to complete.
Why?
Because ultimately she trusts him. In a way she has no choice. This can have many ramifications, including a sense of reliance toward him.
From her modest first challenge to go bra-less in class, the increased complexity of the tasks have now become a kind of kinky game Sophia wouldn't dare admit being excited by. We now have to discover how accepting and tolerant Sophia becomes in front of Andre, especially after what she recently witnessed with Jennifer. Because there will undoubtedly be some work she'll need to do to make her peace with Andre. Work which may cross a threshold she hasn't yet anticipated.

The reason Sophia trusts Aiden (to a degree) is because he's demonstrated on many occasions he doesn't just wield authority, but proved himself good to his word as long as the tasks are completed properly.
Sophia understands this, and maybe that's partly why she's feeling confident dressing in her choice of outfit for the hangout. Incidentally, it's a skirt/top, not a dress as some have described. This could also be important.

Whether we'll see Aiden dismiss his gang after Sophia's arrival (as before) remains to be seen. My guess it's going to be whether Morello's thugs turn up, and what thread players opt for.

Is that the gist of their contribution?
A blackmailer becomes trustworthy?
The blackmailer keeps what - his promises?
Sophia has been allowed to observe the situation with Jennifer. Not only that it should have become clear to her that if she doesn't manage to get rid of Aiden, she might end up as a "betting debt" at some point. And what is even more important, Aiden will never let her go, he will always threaten her with the danger for Dylan - as forgetful as he is - just like he does with Jennifer.
Also that he sticks to the terms of the assignments is not true. The 3rd task clearly showed that and that with it Sophia didn't feel "comfortable" or relaxed in a "subtle way" at all.
It may be that in her virtual world Sophia is such a stupid cow, with an infinite reset ability or forgetfulness, but not in my game.

 

[follardo]

It's possible for even beautiful women to become distinctly undesirable if they so choose. That weapon does it for me, never having appreciated the "girls with guns" fetish myself. Come to think of it the clothes act as more of a deterrent than some oufits I could mention, as they display no flesh, (even sensible gun-toting gloves in situ) & are not ridiculously easy to access.

If you've ever worked on a building site, or similar, you'll know that there's a male group mentality which exists. So, a pretty girl walks by..... 1 young, fit man working alone, glances up & maybe smiles & probably stares after her/ 2 young men working, speak to each other & if in ear-shot might say something to the girl....probably not too obscene, or even relatively harmless &/or flirtatious/ 3/ 6/ 9/ [you get the idea]/ 25 men of all ages, react with gestures, obscene suggestions of what they'd like to do, make animal noises (customarily a wolf), perhaps produce hand & other mimes & generally act out in ways that they'd never do on their own, while possibly trying to outdo each other. All of this plus any specifics about an outfit or certain modes of dress will be observed (which I think I've already covered but which could be added to if really necessary).....they have their own 'traditional' comments. Then a Foreperson turns up & puts a stop to it....or does he just smile, depending on mood?

There are 9 men in the place Sophia is attending & all are young, fit, of slightly varying ages & they already have a gang mentality, plus the foreperson is Aiden.....mood unknown at present. I rest my case.

Ooops just remembered, they're only there to add 'tone' to the scene. They'll all go away if he tells them to...... He will tell them...won't he?

I insist. I think she is corrupted enough. They are not men as you say. They are teenagers who are not intimidating enough. Aiden is the oldest and looks no more than 16. The rest of the class maybe 12-13 years old. I think it's pretty surreal for some teenagers to blackmail their teacher like this, so to be worried about what she might wear have no sense.

 

[ancienregimele]

Totally agree. It would be more erotic to hear Sophia thoughts about her behavior than guessing. I hope that she will do that on the beginning of the task. There is medical explanation, or at least an assumption, of her behavior. Masochism is quite common at female population. By some studies there is 40 - 70% of women who fantasize about some sort of masochism. Quote from MSD MANUAL "Women have been repeatedly and intensely aroused by being humiliated, beaten, bound, or otherwise abused; arousal is expressed in fantasies, intense urges, or behaviors."

It is obvious that Sophia is thrilled by risk situation. She risk at school to lose her job, she risk by riding bike to unknown place, and now she risk by going to allay. I think that she tries to justify her behavior by accusing Aiden's blackmailing, but in reality she desperately need that. Something like heroin addict.

So, it comes down to whether the player is happy that Sophia's masochistic tendencies are given freer rein, or not. I've suspected for some time that L&P has a 'wickedly wanton', or as we would say where I'm sitting a "slag" persona, lined up for Sophia. It more or less says so in his original promo blurb. [Not something I personally wish to proceed with, I hasten to add but there may still be ways to avoid it]. That would be popular, no doubt, though at the current pace it will be another decade before it reaches AEA levels. It's true that we all have fantasies about all kinds of things & not just sexual exploits.

It's one thing to have fantasies but quite another to decide to put oneself on a plate & let the dice fall where they may. If there's no valid explanation given, (as opposed to sitting in front of a mirror, wondering why you've just got dressed like this!), I'll return to my original post on this topic & say this is where Sophia officially loses her sanity. Maybe she'll pull out a sign to hold up for Aiden & co. to announce, '4 tasks in & I'm free, daring, corrupted & mindless. Thank You'. That would save a lot of time.

 

[Sadowdark]

Hello guys. I didnt play since the last update. Can someone tell me how is the content on this 0.160? Did you spend a good time playing on this? Is sophia doing some naughty things?

It depends on what route you are on. If you are not on the route of the blackmailer and Dylan, you will not see anything interesting, only the end of the game will be continued.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Hello guys. I didnt play since the last update. Can someone tell me how is the content on this 0.160? Did you spend a good time playing on this? Is sophia doing some naughty things?

If you're not doing Aiden's tasks or the bonus storyline, it's about 40 seconds playthrough. The only update I'm expecting a decent amount of content is Update 6 at the salon, but that'll only be her changing hairstyle

 

[Goga011]

So, it comes down to whether the player is happy that Sophia's masochistic tendencies are given freer rein, or not. I've suspected for some time that L&P has a 'wickedly wanton', or as we would say where I'm sitting a "slag" persona, lined up for Sophia. It more or less says so in his original promo blurb. [Not something I personally wish to proceed with, I hasten to add but there may still be ways to avoid it]. That would be popular, no doubt, though at the current pace it will be another decade before it reaches AEA levels. It's true that we all have fantasies about all kinds of things & not just sexual exploits.

It's one thing to have fantasies but quite another to decide to put oneself on a plate & let the dice fall where they may. If there's no valid explanation given, (as opposed to sitting in front of a mirror, wondering why you've just got dressed like this!), I'll return to my original post on this topic & say this is where Sophia officially loses her sanity. Maybe she'll pull out a sign to hold up for Aiden & co. to announce, '4 tasks in & I'm free, daring, corrupted & mindless. Thank You'. That would save a lot of time.

I don't think that this game will ever reach AEA level. I hope it doesn't. I would be disappointed to see that Sophia willingly jump from cock to cock. I sincerely hope that she will struggle with her urges. This would be more realistic. Something that could be happened in real life. It would be nice if there was more Sophia's thought about her inner fight. Something like, she want to be respected woman and professional teacher, but her subconscious pushes her to be humiliated.

 

[ancienregimele]

I insist. I think she is corrupted enough. They are not men as you say. They are teenagers who are not intimidating enough. Aiden is the oldest and looks no more than 16. The rest of the class maybe 12-13 years old. I think it's pretty surreal for some teenagers to blackmail their teacher like this, so to be worried about what she might wear have no sense.

There are men waiting at the gang HQ & Aiden, whilst not especially believable, represents the type of teenager who thinks beyond his years. He's not like the rest of his class. Classes comprise people of roughly the same age, regardless of how old they look. There are no 12-13 year olds in Sophia's class. These 'more mature' types most certainly do exist, often influenced by older siblings. (We had them in my class when we were all actually 11-12 years old). Some go on to be sports team captains, some gang leaders. Teenagers in numbers are definitely intimidating, that's one major reason they're in gangs. Have you ever seen a real gang, I mean a gang, not just a large group of young people?

As for the actual blackmail, it's surreal alright & it's a plot device but that's not the case for the characters in the story, or the player, once disbelief has been submerged via absorbtion in the story. It makes perfect sense to wonder about what a character decides to wear to a particular time & place, as it does in RL. [Turn up for interview dressed as a clown? Yes, if the job on offer is a clown, i.e. appropriate dressing. Turn up for interview dressed as a clown, get rejected, as the job on offer was the CEO of a double-glazing company]. At some point in their lives ALL humans are going to have to think about their appearance. Some even make a career out of it.....

 

[hzjujk]

I can live with the new outfit, but I think it would be helpful if we got a little bit of exposition from Sophia explaining to herself (and by extension, the player) why she chose to get changed before seeing Aiden. I don't even mind if it's attributed to her corruption. I'd just like to see Sophia say something like "I look really good. I'm getting kinda tired of always dressing so modestly, and I don't need Aiden and his blackmail as an excuse to dress in something cute. Fuck that kid, I'll do what I want." What would be dumb is if she goes there and is surprised that Aiden and his friends think she's dressed up. I want her to show agency over her decision making, and acknowledge that she's stepping outside of her normal boundaries. If she does that then I may be able to accept the outfit more easily.

To me, much of the game still feels like it's trying to have Sophia both ways. In her words she still sounds very naive and bashful, but in her actions she's increasingly corrupt. We need to see her character embrace her current level of corruption better, and one way to do that is by acknowledging that she's dressing differently and enjoying doing so.

1. women, and also men feel more comfortable in some of their clothes than in others. They give them security, because people believe they bring out their advantages particularly well and hide their disadvantages. Maybe that's the reason for the choice of the costume.
2 Aiden has told Sophia that from now on she can only appear without a bra. That she does it already to such a meeting is a gesture of submission.
3. the meeting can also be completely different for Aiden. A sexy dressed woman who wins a battle of words in front of the whole gang, or at least doesn't lose it completely, weakens his position.
4. what will Aiden threaten Sophia with if she doesn't submit in front of his buddies. With sexual violence? One holds her down and another takes off her top and Andre gets permission to fondle her breasts? Sophia has shown that she is far from being submissive enough to let this happen without resistance. That would again mean that it weakens Aiden's position.

 

[Sadowdark]

That would convince me more of Sophia's outfit. If she had an internal dialogue with herself. Why am I wearing this outfit, am I already so broke that I can't control what happens to me, why humiliation turns me on. Shouldn't it excite it is wrong? That would make it more logical. Because yes, there is no rational explanation. RL, no woman would dress like that and go to a questionable neighborhood and ask for trouble. A woman like that must have been a total idiot to do something like this, I think Sophia is intelligent, unless she knows she's safe here? And rape can happen anywhere, anytime, no matter how a woman is dressed.

 

[hzjujk]

Totally agree. It would be more erotic to hear Sophia thoughts about her behavior than guessing. I hope that she will do that on the beginning of the task. There is medical explanation, or at least an assumption, of her behavior. Masochism is quite common at female population. By some studies there is 40 - 70% of women who fantasize about some sort of masochism. Quote from MSD MANUAL "Women have been repeatedly and intensely aroused by being humiliated, beaten, bound, or otherwise abused; arousal is expressed in fantasies, intense urges, or behaviors."

It is obvious that Sophia is thrilled by risk situation. She risk at school to lose her job, she risk by riding bike to unknown place, and now she risk by going to allay. I think that she tries to justify her behavior by accusing Aiden's blackmailing, but in reality she desperately need that. Something like heroin addict.

How can you post such nonsense here or even seriously believe it!
Here times a somewhat different quote:

"Another possibility is that the psyche "re-switches" the unbearable violent states, so to speak, to make them more bearable. Some abuse victims report that they themselves were aroused - even if only for short moments.
Victims' realization of having been aroused themselves for moments is quite horrible for them, because they cannot place it because the situation itself was unimaginably horrible. But when the body gets into an unbearable situation, it tries to help itself. When there is pain, endorphins are produced. With sexual arousal, adrenaline, noradrenaline, dopamine and prolactin rise (see Focus.de). When stress hormones are elevated anyway, emotions can easily turn around as well.
Sometimes unbearable experiences are also "sexualized" in retrospect, in memory, so to speak. The "reworking" in the psyche causes the violence to be experienced differently in memory than at the moment it happened. So it may be that arousal is added later when the horrific situation is remembered. These connections may also explain why abuse victims often feel so guilty."

Your quote, taken out of context, is meant to suggest something quite different.
Sophia needs nothing at all from her blackmailer, indeed she enjoys aspects of the events, but that is all! The rest takes place in the imagination of the player.

 

[follardo]

There are men waiting at the gang HQ & Aiden, whilst not especially believable, represents the type of teenager who thinks beyond his years. He's not like the rest of his class. Classes comprise people of roughly the same age, regardless of how old they look. There are no 12-13 year olds in Sophia's class. These 'more mature' types most certainly do exist, often influenced by older siblings. (We had them in my class when we were all actually 11-12 years old). Some go on to be sports team captains, some gang leaders. Teenagers in numbers are definitely intimidating, that's one major reason they're in gangs. Have you ever seen a real gang, I mean a gang, not just a large group of young people?

As for the actual blackmail, it's surreal alright & it's a plot device but that's not the case for the characters in the story, or the player, once disbelief has been submerged via absorbtion in the story. It makes perfect sense to wonder about what a character decides to wear to a particular time & place, as it does in RL. [Turn up for interview dressed as a clown? Yes, if the job on offer is a clown, i.e. appropriate dressing. Turn up for interview dressed as a clown, get rejected, as the job on offer was the CEO of a double-glazing company]. At some point in their lives ALL humans are going to have to think about their appearance. Some even make a career out of it.....

I don't think no one it's more dangerous than Aiden in the gang. There is no realism at any point in this game. Being so demanding with the detail of the clothes is absurd. I think the game is following its own rules. From 1 to 10 how realistic is this game for you?