IamPeterGriffen
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Thanks for the reply. Did not expect the developer to still be monitoring threads on a completed game.
Not even sure how to lose the combat. Will try.
Not even sure how to lose the combat. Will try.
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in the last release (version 0.96) you should be able top skip them (as dialogue decision)
other than that you can just skip your turns during combat ^_^
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@Kerni
Please don't take anything that follows personally, as from everything I've read in this thread, and the graphics I've been able to see, you've done a fantastic job all on your own. Just consider this a general rant at the moon.
I'd love to check out this game. Maybe I'll pull it out in a few years after I win the lottery and buy the latest, greatest whiz-bang gaming system. For the moment, my pc that runs most everything can't get past the splash screen without crashing. After some fruitless hours trying different graphics settings, playing in the registry, restarting a locked up pc several times, I'm just too tired and frustrated to spend anymore time on it.
I appreciate all the earlier posters who seem to be able to run this on what they say are "older" (?) systems. More power to them. Maybe all the people who couldn't get it to work, just haven't bothered to complain.
I can't say if this is a problem with the game or the Unity engine, but I have some other Unity games that run just fine.
You needn't respond. At this point, I don't have the time to waste making this one game work, so listing my pc specs would be pointless.
I would like to make just one point: if you (or other game devs) want to develop to the limits of the graphics capabilities available to you, perhaps you (or they) might consider educating prospective players about the intricacies of FSAA, SSAA, SSAO, horizontal_sync, etc. All I know is, after several hours, I congratulated myself for getting to the start of the game, moved my mouse in the second line of Victor's log entry, and it crashed. I gave up.
So again, nothing personal. Keep at it.
Please don't take anything that follows personally, as from everything I've read in this thread, and the graphics I've been able to see, you've done a fantastic job all on your own. Just consider this a general rant at the moon.
I'd love to check out this game. Maybe I'll pull it out in a few years after I win the lottery and buy the latest, greatest whiz-bang gaming system. For the moment, my pc that runs most everything can't get past the splash screen without crashing. After some fruitless hours trying different graphics settings, playing in the registry, restarting a locked up pc several times, I'm just too tired and frustrated to spend anymore time on it.
I appreciate all the earlier posters who seem to be able to run this on what they say are "older" (?) systems. More power to them. Maybe all the people who couldn't get it to work, just haven't bothered to complain.
I can't say if this is a problem with the game or the Unity engine, but I have some other Unity games that run just fine.
You needn't respond. At this point, I don't have the time to waste making this one game work, so listing my pc specs would be pointless.
I would like to make just one point: if you (or other game devs) want to develop to the limits of the graphics capabilities available to you, perhaps you (or they) might consider educating prospective players about the intricacies of FSAA, SSAA, SSAO, horizontal_sync, etc. All I know is, after several hours, I congratulated myself for getting to the start of the game, moved my mouse in the second line of Victor's log entry, and it crashed. I gave up.
So again, nothing personal. Keep at it.
caju
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This is really going to bug you:
My computer and graphics were last updated in 2007.
I CAN play this game. I have random office computer I bought off e-bay used 11 years ago
I cannot play any other unity games AT ALL.
The only problem I have is in space. I get about 2 fps until I get into the station, then it works perfect.
You can buy my computer on e-bay right now for $20-$40 ... Some as low as $12
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Rant accepted
My game is really not that optimized , i did not do anything other than umbra occlusion culling and some texture resizing xD
Does my new game also crash on your PC ?
https://f95zone.to/threads/milky-ways-v0-57-kerni.33000/
Sure it bugs me, but not the way you think. To reiterate, "more power to you".
But let me stress, your experience on your machine is not relevant to my experience on my machine. Apples & oranges.
Since you seem like a nice guy, and you asked nicely, I downloaded and installed it.Rant accepted
My game is really not that optimized , i did not do anything other than umbra occlusion culling and some texture resizing xD
Does my new game also crash on your PC ?
https://f95zone.to/threads/milky-ways-v0-57-kerni.33000/
I got to the 3rd line of the MC's conversation with his autopilot, and crashed (using the OOB graphics settings).
And yes, even on low graphics settings, it crashed my display driver (Win msg: "The display driver has stopped working, and has restarted." The game (Milky Ways) doesn't recover from that.
In fairness, I only tried twice with Milky Ways, but spent several hours with AAOTFL. I experienced a variety of symptoms, either resulting in a total crash to desktop, failed display driver, or, in one case a locked up PC. With the failed display driver crashes, I would either get a totally white game screen, or it would minimize to the taskbar, couldn't do anything with it (though the taskbar preview only showed a clear frame for the game), and Task Manager had difficulty ending the program.
For the record (unfortunately, I deleted the crash logs on the two occasions it created them) the following are my pc specs:
Dell Inspiron 3847 - Win 7 Home Premium (Service Pack 1) 64-bit
Intel Core i3-4130 CPU @3.40GHz, RAM - 8.00 GB, DirectX 11
Purchased 2/2014
Windows Experience Index (scale of 1.0 to 7.9):
Processor - 7.3 - 92.4%
RAM - 7.6 - 96.2%
Graphics - 6.6 - 83.5%
Gaming Graphics - 6.6 - 83.5%
Hard Disk - 5.9 - 74.7%
Base Score - 5.9 - 74.7%
Intel HD Graphics 4400
Monitor - G236HL - Flat Screen LED VGA 1680 x 1050, 60 HZ
Intel HD Graphics Control Panel:
General Settings - Quality
Application Optimal Mode - On
Truly, though I appreciate this is your baby, and you want it to work, I'm not going to spend more time on it. I've other fish to fry before I die.
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If this is you main graphic card then.. it is a absolute wonder that you could even see the first 3 seconds in AATOFL xD
Dut to the very extensive texture size you need a dedicated Grpahics card >_<
But other than that , your PC specs looks fine to me.
whippetmaster
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This ran pretty good on an AMD desktop I'd built- It was a quad core 3.1 Athlon 2 with 4 gigs of ram and an Nvidia GT 630 1gb card. Had Windows 7 Ultimate with DX 11 IRRC. Ran smooth as butter except when colliding with the walls in the spaceship inside the Hangar Bay. Oh and the first glitch with the poker game and getting lost in space... it would slow it down slightly when I would try to run into objects outside the ship.
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and I hate to add mud to this conversation but I have gotten both games to work well with just a Lenovo Think Center running an Intel embedded processor and 4 gigs of ram (i3 processor) Admittedly this is a later bought pc.
Hey, anoldscrewup If $$ is the issue, buy one of these used/refurbished off ebay for sub $200 running Win 10 w/4-8gigs and a 125Gbyt SSD. Why mess with old hdware at this price?
Hey, anoldscrewup If $$ is the issue, buy one of these used/refurbished off ebay for sub $200 running Win 10 w/4-8gigs and a 125Gbyt SSD. Why mess with old hdware at this price?
To clarify for caju, this is what reallly bugs me -
From the OP:
Installation:
1- Extract to desired location.
2- Click on AATOFL.exe to start playing.
Changelog:
Please define what a "dedicated Graphics card" is, and why mention of its necessity is not prominently mentioned in the OP. The assumption that anyone interested in the game already has specialized hardware necessary just to start the game seems based on the idea that if you don't have such, you're not a true "gamer", and therefore don't matter.
Kerni, that is not intended as a slam on you, personally. It seems to be a pervasive concept, not just among the devs, but members generally. I know you are not a corporation, capable of testing the game on a broad spectrum of platforms. Judging by what I've heard expressed in other threads, I'm supposed to "know'" the game won't run on a middle-of-the road system. Why? I doubt the texture size is the problem, as the Unity menu offers a variety of resolutions, as well as texture quality choices. There may be NOTHING amiss in your programming except pushing the Unity engine to its limits, and IT is breaking my hardware. Once upon a time, a programmer would program a check, and a message would pop-up, "This program requires a higher level graphics card." I have dl'd programs purported to run on my XP system that pop-up the message "Require 2.0 shaders", and don't try to run the program, not get halfway through loading and crash, or load completely and crash, leaving me wondering why.
(BTW, what's wrong with my graphics card?)
I don't have a problem with a dev creating a thoroughbred that runs only on extremely high-end systems. That kind of pushing the limits is a good thing. My problem is with not telling the prospective player up-front. Not looking to start a flame war. Just my opinion.
@professorx10, you're not the first, and won't be the last to tell me how, in your opinion, I should spend my money. My budget is not the issue. I'm glad the games run for YOU. They don't run for me, and I'm not going to buy new hardware for just one game. Besides, I do more than gaming on my machines. Having the greatest gaming machine is not high on my priority list.
caju
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anoldscrewup
I wasnt really bashing or prodding you. I was kind of giggling to myself. I looked up your card and mine on a comparison site. It informed me that your card is approximately 495% better than mine.
I think mine is so old that it doesnt recognize that this game is something that it shouldnt be able to run so it just does it.
This game is a beast and a half though.
I wasnt really bashing or prodding you. I was kind of giggling to myself. I looked up your card and mine on a comparison site. It informed me that your card is approximately 495% better than mine.
I think mine is so old that it doesnt recognize that this game is something that it shouldnt be able to run so it just does it.
This game is a beast and a half though.
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Hey, anoldscrewup It looks Like I owe you an apology. I glanced too quickly over your machine specs. (and, btw, I'd never ask a guy to spend money for just one game...ooh, hey, wait, I've done that...oops sorry)
ANYWAY, I apologize. Your machine almost duplicates the one I was recommending AND that I happen to be running myself!! <facepalm> So, what's the deal I wondered? I think I ran the game on my Win-7 os before upgrading and I KNOW I've run the game since...on the same machine. And, I'm running Milky Ways now with no hiccups. So the only difference is OS (and your / my OS set up and "cleanliness") SO since I don't know if you've run a system cleaner lately and/or if your Device Manager has any 'alerts' in it, I'm thinking your only problem is somewhere in your system setup. I'll wager that since you "do more than gaming" on your machine that that is where the problem lies. I've had problems once I've had too many pgms on the system...the registry gets really messed up.
So two suggestions, if you've already cleaned the system (and registry) and have lots of space left on your HD (and no background hogs) --thats one--then maybe upgrading the OS or re-installing it again will cure the issue (and any others). (and PS, I love Win-7 )
Bottom line, The only difference between your hardware and mine is their makers (Lenovo vs Dell) and that don't count so it has to be in the OS. Check it out because I'm running both programs just fine and so you should be able also.
Best of luck! and BTW, I think you'll really like ATOFL and MW...they're great alternate world type games.
ANYWAY, I apologize. Your machine almost duplicates the one I was recommending AND that I happen to be running myself!! <facepalm> So, what's the deal I wondered? I think I ran the game on my Win-7 os before upgrading and I KNOW I've run the game since...on the same machine. And, I'm running Milky Ways now with no hiccups. So the only difference is OS (and your / my OS set up and "cleanliness") SO since I don't know if you've run a system cleaner lately and/or if your Device Manager has any 'alerts' in it, I'm thinking your only problem is somewhere in your system setup. I'll wager that since you "do more than gaming" on your machine that that is where the problem lies. I've had problems once I've had too many pgms on the system...the registry gets really messed up.
So two suggestions, if you've already cleaned the system (and registry) and have lots of space left on your HD (and no background hogs) --thats one--then maybe upgrading the OS or re-installing it again will cure the issue (and any others). (and PS, I love Win-7 )
Bottom line, The only difference between your hardware and mine is their makers (Lenovo vs Dell) and that don't count so it has to be in the OS. Check it out because I'm running both programs just fine and so you should be able also.
Best of luck! and BTW, I think you'll really like ATOFL and MW...they're great alternate world type games.
Rest assured, I wasn't offended. Kind of knew where you where coming from.
Apology unnecessary. (Although I've noted many posts where members first answer is "Buy, ya cheapskate!")
To clarify. MY machine is a 15 yr. old Win XP pc, subbing for my Win 98 pc needing work. (I still use DOS programs - don't laugh - some do things better than anything newer.)
My WIFES machine is Win 7. Bookkeeping, word processing & e-mail. Only other things going on are background malware protection, and whatever crap M$ decided was "necessary". I do periodic maintenance, perhaps I've missed something. Appreciate the thought, and will check it out, but the game, much as I would love to explore it, is not that important to me. Still, I stand by my opinion on forewarning prospective players on possible playability issues up-front.
Allow me to answer this:
There are two general types of graphic chipsets: Dedicated and Integrated. Dedicated chipsets are the video cards you see online with either Nvidia (eg Geforce 2070 RTX) or AMD (eg RADEON 5700) chipsets in them. They utilize their own resources for data processing (technically, with the right jury-rigging they could be their own, albiet extremely low spec computers) and connect to the system through the expansion cards. The downsides are that they're an additional purchase, usually expensive for a decent card, and more often than not need additional power connections to the card.
Integrated chipsets are ones built into the motherboard itself. If you have video ports coming from the input/output area (where all your USB , ethernet, etc are plugged into on the back) then you have an integrated chipset. Laptops and smaller devices have these by default. They don't cost anything extra as they're part of the motherboard itself, but the major drawback is that they utilize your system resources instead of having their own. To maintain system stability, the manufacturer heavily restricts what can be used by the chipset, limiting it's performance. As such, integrated chipsets tend to be insufficient for high end gaming or with games with poor to negligible optimization like this one.
Now as for the "true gamer" remark, it's not that case, but if you're going to do any gaming where graphical quality is a factor, integrated chipsets just do not hold a candle to a dedicated video card.
Not gonna laugh, I know it all to well, though that might be part of the issue. Windows XP 32-bit data processing while most stuff out these days require 64-bit processing (Win7 has reliable 64-bit and Win8 and Win10 have it as default)
Thank you for the exposition. I know the distinction. A dedicated graphics card is specialized, add-on equipment marketed to "true" gamers, who demand bleedin', screamin' cutting edge performance, or "serious" graphic artists who want their works to be the eye-poppinest.
The question was rhetorical to Kerni, as to what he considers a sufficiently powerful enough card to run his game, and why that shouldn't be a consideration to mention to prospective players who might be interested in the game. "integrated chipsets just do not hold a candle to a dedicated video card" may very well be true in a general sense, but in this specific case, I find it hard to believe that every single one of those players who have succesfully run the game have "dedicated" graphics cards. There may, in fact, be integrated chipsets on some pcs that are at least a match for a low-end gaming card.
Apparently, now, it is insufficient to simply say that a game (or app, or any software) requires XX-bits, or OS-Y. Now, one needs to know if one's graphics card meets industry standard Z. That may be the wave of the future, or its birth in the present, but devs shoud recognize that fact, recognize not everyone is on the cutting edge, and be considerate enough to start forewarning prospective players.
I accept that in an independantly developed game I may encounter the odd crash here and there. It comes with the territory. If you can't even start the game... well....
BTW, if you read my post, you would know I was trying to run this on Win 7, 64-bit. The XP comment was an aside. I still would like a definitive answer as to what is deficient about my card, in that, Kerni found it "an absolute wonder" that the game started at all, before crashing.