VN Ren'Py Completed Acting Lessons [v1.0.2] [DrPinkCake]

[Enyos]

You see no similarities between the final scene of Episode 7 and at least 10 Asian body horor films from the 2000s? Do you think those of us talking about tonal shifts are just making things up?

Certainly there's a tonal shift, as things climax, and the MC breaks down from having too much to process (hence therapy). However, nobody would have taken it seriously if it hadn't been for the bonds formed prior, with everyone calling it bad writing (rather than a few who felt randy and got disappointed at the wasted lube). It doesn't have to be a horror film, as many romance thrillers can climax in this fashion.

Horror films don't let you get attached to the characters because you expect them to die. In a thriller, you don't see that outcome from the onset, and it leaves you more vulnerable.

 

[rodneyeatme]

Certainly there's a tonal shift, as things climax, and the MC breaks down from having too much to process. However, nobody would have taken it seriously if it hadn't been for the bonds formed prior, with everyone calling it bad writing (rather than a few who felt randy and got disappointed at the wasted lube). It doesn't have to be a horror film, as many romance thrillers can climax in this fashion.

Horror films don't let you get attached to the characters because you expect them to die. In a thriller, you don't see that outcome from the onset, and it leaves you more vulnerable.

Damn it, I meant to say genre shift.

Regardless, do the two scenes below look at all similar?

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If you aren't aware of the top film, it becomes way clearer what has been going on when you realize its title.

 

[RogueKnightUK]

... Horror films don't let you get attached to the characters because you expect them to die. In a thriller, you don't see that outcome from the onset, and it leaves you more vulnerable.

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[Ennoch]

Regardless, do the two scenes below look at all similar?

I saw that movie! Now that was a real stomach probing one!

 

[Enyos]

Damn it, I meant to say genre shift.

Regardless, do the two scenes below look at all similar?

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If you aren't aware of the top film, it becomes way clearer what has been going on when you realize its title.

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Do you have any constructive criticism to put forth?

 

[poop]

jesus christ fans who defend everything they like no matter what are just as bad as 'haters' or 'trolls. Some people really feel the need to tell you that anything bad you say against this game is wrong 'just because' and it seems like you cant even dislike it because the creator is no 'hollywood screenwriter'.

Like good for you that you still enjoy this game. But trying to tell people who think this is way too much forced drama in such a short period of time with weirdass shifts that they are wrong for disliking it for these reasons is just stupid. Again good for you if you can look past these things and still like this game but dont come in here and command that everybody else is wrong to dislike it for these reasons.

Im not seeing anyone in here trying to tell people who like that they shouldnt like it instead i see a bunch of people who seem to like it trying to tell people that they cant dislike it for certain reasons.

 

[zecon]

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Do you have any constructive criticism to put forth?

"Looks like the same scene I've seen in dozens of movies and tv shows. Heck, even The Wolverine had a similar shot. It is a generic deranged nurse shot used for suspense."

That's what i thought and wanted say/write here ! :disappointed:

 

[d_avid]

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I did but still couldn't get the scene. I checked the images folder too but there was no Leah sex scene in the folder, too. Maybe it is my crunched version that I downloaded. Still...

 

[rodneyeatme]

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Do you have any constructive criticism to put forth?

Constructive criticism intended for whom? You appear to be hung up on that term when there's no one participating in the thread involved in the production of AL. We are, all of us here, just flapping our gums.

 

[Malkav]

I just played through this for the first time and I loved it. My only complaint is that the pornography kind of steps aside for the story in the end. Normally I play erotic games to get off, but this one gets on the list of stuff where I got too enthralled by the story to actually do any masturbation.

But that is really a good thing, the other games I would put on this list are really some of the best ones (Euphoria for its story and Rance for its gameplay)

Liam is best girl btw

 

[oidex]

Constructive criticism intended for whom? You appear to be hung up on that term when there's no one participating in the thread involved in the production of AL. We are, all of us here, just flapping our gums.

Couldn't have put it any better. As such ... *proceeds*

 

[JustLedoX]

there are 2 sex scenes in episode 7 right? oneo with leah and the other with rena

 

[RogueKnightUK]

Constructive criticism intended for whom? You appear to be hung up on that term when there's no one participating in the thread involved in the production of AL. We are, all of us here, just flapping our gums.

Criticism is not only for the creator. Professional critics in print and on TV are often mainly for the benefit of the audience, giving them an idea what to expect. Given that the audience here at F95zone includes a lot of other people who are interested in developing games, constructive criticism made here could be applied to countless other works now and in future.

 

[Ennoch]

Criticism is not only for the creator. Professional critics in print and on TV are often mainly for the benefit of the audience, giving them an idea what to expect. Given that the audience here at F95zone includes a lot of other people who are interested in developing games, constructive criticism made here could be applied to countless other works now and in future.

How unfortunate that any kind of professional criticism is burried under dozens of pages of gumflapping. If we assume there were any the first place beside all those biased pretend-to-be-an-opinion type of butthurt yadda.

 

[FranceToast]

Given that the audience here at F95zone includes a lot of other people who are interested in developing games, constructive criticism made here could be applied to countless other works now and in future.

As someone who is still idly considering making a VN, this thread and the responses have been very educational.

 

[Paranoid_android]

We can have a discussion about plot twists and tonal

No one is saying anything of the sort bud ( at least I’m not ) people can like or dislike what they want. All I’m suggesting is that if people are criticizing the author because his writing isn’t to the same standard as say a Hollywood screenwriter or a novelist - then it’s the literary critical equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel.. this discussion is just that, only a discussion of any amount of constructive criticism is as Rodney so well put is a waste of time as the author isn’t on here..

I think that with @rodneyeatme comments, he was just trying to allude to theme inspiration as to correlate it with the tonal shift from the game, I mean, he never said that Dr. PinkCake should be criticized through the standards of a Hollywood screenwriter... besides I feel it was there more to jab at it and get a chuckle from it. Now things escalated a bit with @Enyos comment asking @rodneyeatme to put forth constructive criticism (it could be inferred that if he didn't he wanted him to leave), implying that everything else that he said was inconsequential to this thread, which seems a bit much considering most of them were light-hearted comments. Now to dismiss opinions and only ask for constructive criticism, is absurd since this is a discussion thread where anything related to the game can be said, except for the fanatical comments (nothing but praise and seeing no flaws) and comments that border on the extremes (demanding, insulting or flat out stating bad things without explaining). Besides who has the right to censor others when they haven't even made or said anything bad (I meant on both spectrums, accusant and acusee)?

On another note, I had completely forgotten about the Audition (1999 film), such a good film, I can see some of the similarities it could share with the game on the first and later parts (the object retaliating, prejudiced standards, etc.).

 

[Enyos]

Yeah that first sentence was a mistake ( a thought ) it has since been deleted. Yeah I agree people can come on here and say what they feel - the moderators I assume will sort out the bad stuff - but to be fair to Eynos ( I might get into trouble here ) he was hoping for some constructive criticism as he tests the water regarding the whole VN game/medium...

There you go being presumptuous again XD.
I can certainly see why many (possibly very talented) writers and artists would not participate in trying to develop a VN, from the reactions given. It does make me nervous, even with the minor role I'll be playing in another story here. I have mass respect towards Dr PinkCake for putting himself out there. Sorry if I try to defend him too hard, but I guess it comes down to "Different strokes for different folks" and "You can't be everything to everybody".

 

[rodneyeatme]

Criticism is not only for the creator. Professional critics in print and on TV are often mainly for the benefit of the audience, giving them an idea what to expect. Given that the audience here at F95zone includes a lot of other people who are interested in developing games, constructive criticism made here could be applied to countless other works now and in future.

The biggest piece of constructive criticism I could give a prospective adult game developer would be to fully understand the relationship forced by the Patreon model. Look at the Melissa sex scene from episode 6:

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What the Christ is that? And how did nobody on his Patreon or Discord point out that Melissa was suffering from some strange pelvis infection? The reason nobody told him is because a Patron's role is support (almost entirely financial) and these developer Discords are all exercises in who can grasp the highest rings of sycophancy before the remainder realize they fell short and everyone leaves.

So, if you decide to write something that looks an awful lot like a standard three act story, and that pulling a genre switch for each act is clever, don't expect anyone on Patreon or your Discord to ask, "Dude, what the hell are you doing?" There's a reason that whenever I've played a game a day or two after its release and noticed script errors that I crosscheck and write down, nobody has ever said, "Oh, I found those already."

So, yeah. In this dumb enterprise, no news is rarely good news.

 

[Paranoid_android]

Yeah that first sentence was a mistake ( a thought ) it has since been deleted. Yeah I agree people can come on here and say what they feel - the moderators I assume will sort out the bad stuff - but to be fair to Eynos ( I might get into trouble here ) he was hoping for some constructive criticism as he tests the water regarding the whole VN game/medium...

Enyos may do so, I have no qualms with him/her but you can't expect everyone to conform to your standards and to only put out constructive criticism on a discussion thread (unless you are the OP and specifically ask for it) since there can exist more than one kind of reply that can come out from it. And asking only for constructive criticism can flood a thread with redundant comments, censor or inhabilitate users due to the fact that you are basically restraining the disposition from different individuals (on commenting) and the natural progression of a discussion.

@Enyos, just a piece of advice once you delve a bit more into the VN medium: be open about discussions, keep a cool head, do not engage with every comment (since it could burn you out) and do not so easily be swayed to dismiss someone or someone's comment. Oh! And thread with an open mind, since not every story or theme you see/introduce will be liked by all, given that anyone could like parts from it but not the entirety, due to execution and other reasons. This is getting off-topic so I will leave it at that.

 

[poop]

There you go being presumptuous again XD.
I can certainly see why many (possibly very talented) writers and artists would not participate in trying to develop a VN, from the reactions given.

but thats true for any artform or even anything you try to create for a mass of people out there. i would say that discussions about VNs and especially this thread are actually quite civil compared to some other artforms out there. So if this is already too much for you to handle then you'll probably have some tough times ahead for you in life.