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but I still have to say that AP Redux might be the worst decision I’ve seen from project on this site, — not that I follow that many, but I did see Innocent Witches devs deciding to rewrite the whole game for the third time, wasting time on something most people don’t even care about (while also making it worse). But really, wasting time on worsening the thing people didn’t like about your game is still not as insane to me as remaking something people liked (and making it worse).
I think this is bad but Female Agent takes the cake, there's Cyberromance or whatever but that already started wrong.
Also Yandere Simulator has a page here as well.
 

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Having played the game there's nothing wrong with the new art look, it's just not as good as the original art. The original art is as close to the characters originality as it gets, not to mention sexier. Example: Nurse Kate. Regarding the negative drawback from players, that's to be expected.

This game is going on 4 years old and the Devs decided now of all times to change the art, which is a big deal, we're not talking about changing features or anything, but the art itself. The very thing that drew a lot of people, myself including to the game in the first place.

So best of luck the rest of the way to the Devs, but I'm gonna pass on this.
I agree with you on many of your points as I stated in my comment on last page, like how the game looking so similar to the original show is what drew me to the game. Out of all the new scenes (in gallery) only 2 of the women still look ok to me. That being Maddie and Desiree. The rest just look off to me. I however will not be dropping the game for now. I will play through this update and then make my decision.
 

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I agree with you on many of your points as I stated in my comment on last page, like how the game looking so similar to the original show is what drew me to the game. Out of all the new scenes (in gallery) only 2 of the women still look ok to me. That being Maddie and Desiree. The rest just look off to me. I however will not be dropping the game for now. I will play through this update and then make my decision.
I understand. It's a difficult decision to make, especially when you've spent so much time on a particular game. This is my second time, within the last 7 days dropping a well liked game because the Dev randomly decided to change/ruin their characters, but all I can do is move on. *Shrugs*
 

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I dont get why all devs (or even companies with over-simplified logos) make these abrupt changes. Innocent witches had a hard ass panty quest but now the devs just decide to alter the complete story in 0.75 of the game and this game is doing the same for the same version. It's like "hey, we don't like it but we won't listen to the players or even fix stuff(looking at IW panty quest) but here's a redesign!"
 

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Was gonna try this out for the first time, but due to the turmoil going on I don't know if I want to.

I also noticed that this game has been around for a while, is 235 pages normal? Does it not get traffic?
 
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I know it’s a useless comment and I wish I could give a more constructive criticism, but I still have to say that AP Redux might be the worst decision I’ve seen from project on this site, — not that I follow that many, but I did see Innocent Witches devs deciding to rewrite the whole game for the third time, wasting time on something most people don’t even care about (while also making it worse). But really, wasting time on worsening the thing people didn’t like about your game is still not as insane to me as remaking something people liked (and making it worse).

But more than that, the decision was also handled very badly. This is something you need a lot of input from fans from the start — even if you are absolutely sure about your decision to shoot your project in the foot — at least talking with fans both on patreon and outside would make it possible make this change less painful. To start adjusting new art before making a bunch of it, including animations.

I’m not even a fan of original designs, I feel they are wa-a-ay too ass-centric while I’m more into boobs, but even I can’t see how new art is an improvement. Previous art-style was unique, and thus looked even better than it was because it had little competition. New art is just another anime-wannabe design. Not bad, but nowhere near the best and there is A LOT of competition when it comes to hentai games, making it seem weaker than it is. And while even do anime redesign if you're not giving everyone huge anime tits to rival their asses? Honestly, a potential change from bowling pins to hourglass figures was the only thing I hoped to like in this redesign.

Also, changing scenes to make them less sexualised (you can find examples on previous pages of this thread) is just insane for an «update» of a porn game.

I still wish the team all the best, but I might start playing new versions literally for the plot (unlike with Innocent Witches I actually like the story and characters in this game quite a lot).
It’s one thing to remaster art or renders for the better of your project, but when it hurts your project more than it helps it, that’s when maybe as a Dev you should ask yourself is this really the right decision moving forward. The Dev of Sylphine recently did the same thing, which left a lot of people scratching their heads. But at the end of the day it’s their game, and there’s plenty other hungry Devs out there to support.
 

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I'm stuck on the twinkle twinkle little star quest I can't leave sam her room The skip button isnt working and map is gray :(
 

sexypeanut

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And while even do anime redesign if you're not giving everyone huge anime tits to rival their asses? Honestly, a potential change from bowling pins to hourglass figures was the only thing I hoped to like in this redesign.
I'm also more of a boobs man, but I'm glad characters here don't have huge anime tiddies. They're so obnoxiously ugly and bizarre that they kill my boner.
Although the conversation sprites look like bowling pins, in the h-scenes they're more proportional.

Was gonna try this out for the first time, but due to the turmoil going on I don't know if I want to.

I also noticed that this game has been around for a while, is 235 pages normal? Does it not get traffic?
The game has great humor and the writing is commendable. I'd still recommend the game even with the new art situation.
 

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I guess Star shouldn't be literally ON Danny in this scene, right? Also, as I've pointed before, the quest box keeps lingering instead of going away.

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Clothes don't naturally bind to chests like that in the first pic. That's a 3DCG thing because accurate body conforming clothes is too expensive to buy on the Daz 3D market
But this game is 2D (maybe it had some 3D models I think I saw them on the roof of the house among the 2D stuff), are you saying they used a 3D model as a base for drawing that? Based on what you would say that?
 

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Erm... I won the fight (flawless victory, btw) and he complains about his spleen? lol

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Yes, you did fight ghosts this time around! The same one twice!

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Hmm no, he didn't? Get your facts straight, Mr. Fenton! lol

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PS: there's an error during the Fenton Thermos presentation (can't find a .wav file)
 
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Morah SDG

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Morah SDG

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It’s one thing to remaster art or renders for the better of your project, but when it hurts your project more than it helps it, that’s when maybe as a Dev you should ask yourself is this really the right decision moving forward. The Dev of Sylphine recently did the same thing, which left a lot of people scratching their heads. But at the end of the day it’s their game, and there’s plenty other hungry Devs out there to support.
I agree about this in the sense that, yes, if you don't really like the move we've made here, then please, find something else you do like to support! And I don't want that taken in a "F-fine, go take your stupid dollars and shove them elsewhere where the sun don't shine!" There are a lot of other talented devs and artists in this field that aren't getting the attention or support they oh-so deserve. And we're very happy with the growth of the Patreon from the fans still, so to me, it's like win-win if either someone chooeses to support Team Bieno OR something else they enjoy, honestly.

Just a little personal aside? My personal recommendation, my favorite h-game dev at the moment? Ancho, producing Fantasy Valley, in chapters. Love the feel of the characters, the great hand drawn art, he improved his stuff as he went, the characters look great, I love it. Gave me early StS vibes, which is great. Go give *that* guy money, people, he deserves it! Lol
 

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Erm... I won the fight (flawless victory, btw) and he complains about his spleen? lol

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Yes, you did fight ghosts this time around! The same one twice!

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Hmm no, he didn't? Get your facts straight, Mr. Fenton! lol

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PS: there's an error during the Fenton Thermos presentation (can't find a .wav file)
Not all of the episodes have been fully gone through by me for additional spell checks/adding additional alternate dialogue. We definitely do want there to be more outcome-based scripts for things like choices and battles.
 
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