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Grumpy Old Aussie

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I can understand why they step into it like a rake in the grass, though. They seem to think that being defensive, possessive, and telling the wife not to fuck Donny instead of trusting her judgment is the high confidence decision. Whereas you telling her that you are prepared to let her take it as far as she wants awards confidence points, which she finds attractive. The scoring system of the game inhabits the upside down as far as their worldview is concerned.
The confidence system is one of my beefs with the game which I have mentioned to the dev to no avail. Sometimes it is ambiguous and ignores what would be a more confident decision. Instead it works in favour of just letting Steph get her way. For example, a confident man doesn't let his wife walk all over him.
 

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I can understand why they step into it like a rake in the grass, though. They seem to think that being defensive, possessive, and telling the wife not to fuck Donny instead of trusting her judgment is the high confidence decision. Whereas you telling her that you are prepared to let her take it as far as she wants awards confidence points, which she finds attractive. The scoring system of the game inhabits the upside down as far as their worldview is concerned.
1. Confidence.
According to your concept, the agreement “Where you tell her that you are prepared to let her take it as far as she wants” means complete chaos. This means Steph can cut off the heads of kittens and cut out the hearts of babies. When my wife and I go to the mall and I say “buy whatever you want,” we both know that “whatever you want” has its limits. This is what confidense expresses, we both voluntarily respect boundaries. “Whatever you want” will always be surrounded by “red flags,” like a wolf on the hunt. That's why I don't follow my wife around and control every purchase. To quote the Marquis de La Fayette, “Freedom consists in the right to do whatever does not harm anyone.”
What the author presents in the game as confidense looks like a religiously fanatical obsession, blind, unquestioning submission to the MC.
Trust is a two-way relationship. Trust means: “I know that you understand the boundaries that define our relationship. I know that you will not step over them. I know that you will not commit actions that insult or humiliate me.” and the other half of the pair acts the same way. Trust means that the couple voluntarily accepts and follows the accepted boundaries.
We are not all saints and sinless, we make mistakes. The concept of trust means that its participants recognize the right of one of the parties to demand respect for boundaries if the other party has violated them. The offender must admit his guilt. This is not weakness or mistrust, this is a normal relationship in a couple. To paraphrase the Marquis de La Fayette: “Insurrection is at once the most inalienable right and the most sacred duty,” one might say: “The demand not to overstep boundaries is at once the most inalienable right and the most sacred duty.” Otherwise, all relationships will fall apart.
Where is Steph’s trust in the game?
2. NTR.
Quote from BangB420: “So sad to see, plays a NTR game and gets mad when there's NTR.” Do you know better than the author what the game is about? Where in his messages does the author talk about the presence of ntr in the game? Quote from the author: “All sexual acts in the game are consensual. Join him in adventures reserved for swingers." Where is ntr?
The main problem of this game is not whether there is ntr or not ntr. We are all discussing a game that doesn't exist. How NTR lovers and those who don't like NTR see what is not there. The main problem of the game is the author. He denies having ntr, he says “love and happy marriage”. In fact, supporters and opponents of NTR say the same thing: “the author is a lying bastard.”
I'm not against ntr, my complaints are about the author's promise: “Join him in adventures reserved for swingers.” Where is it? For me now AMW, on the HC route, only ntr. Script of NTR's novel:
1. There is a husband/wife couple.
2. There is an antagonist (it could be a wife).
3. The wife is not interested in the opinion of the MC, she does what she wants.
4. The MC is unable to control events around him.
5. The MC carries out all his wife’s orders (passive “yes” or passive “I don’t mind”).
6. If the MC does not agree, it is ignored or “game over”.
7. Agreements with MS are not fulfilled or changed (passive “yes” or passive “I don’t mind”).
8. MC does nothing to change the situation (see 4)
9. The wife is an uncontrollable whore.
10. MC can't throw out his wife.
How is it different from AMW?
In my opinion, the author is trying to cross ntr and love. He thinks that if you write “I love you” 800 times in NTR, it means love. The result is neither two nor one and a half. Based on the author's promise, the claims regarding the presence of ntr are fully justified. The author needs to acknowledge the presence of ntr and make three independent routes: swing, ntr and cuckold. Then all complaints will disappear. If the author had done this at the start, 90% of the messages on the forum would not have appeared.
The only problem is that the author and the players see the game differently. The author was unable to express his vision of the game in an intuitive form. Players don't see what the author sees. The author threatens a future update and is confident that all of us (supporters and opponents of ntr) upon seeing the update will immediately realize and understand how wrong we all were. Does anyone believe it? How can two opposing points of view be simultaneously wrong?
This is my point of view on the current version of the game. Let's wait for Steph's terrible secret, which will put everything in its place.
 

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"I have a really strange question for you, so I'm just going to ask it.
Would you like to be in a threesome with me and my wife?"
Correct me if I'm wrong but the dev marketed it as a swinging game
That is what was the only thing that was supposed to happen ...
that was the only promise of a three days game.
Did you play this game? Did you get what was promissed?
 

Grumpy Old Aussie

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You raised some great points, but I'm not up to answering all of your post (minor health issue).

The author threatens a future update and is confident that all of us (supporters and opponents of ntr) upon seeing the update will immediately realize and understand how wrong we all were. Does anyone believe it? How can two opposing points of view be simultaneously wrong?
The dev said he expects people will not accept or believe Steph's reveal and will walk away from the game.

This is my point of view on the current version of the game. Let's wait for Steph's terrible secret, which will put everything in its place.
I agree. The dev warns it won't answer all the questions though.
 

Joshy92

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So .. what did you get and what scenes you liked most, what were you apprehensive of?



We are here to share both the good and the bad in this game.
Lets hear it!
I didn't like how Steph was banging Donny when the mc went to get her water
I don't like how it feels like she settled for the mc
And I dont like that she has some big secret
That shit hurts relationships

I do like Gina tho she is hot
But she can also be a bit untrustworthy imo
 

Grumpy Old Aussie

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People saying it's an ntr game
It's not really, it's a swinging game

Also, it was marketed as a swinging game not ntr

It does have ntr elements at times tho
And that's what annoys people imo
For some people yes.
I think there are a few reasons this game annoys people mate.

I didn't like how Steph was banging Donny when the mc went to get her water
I don't like how it feels like she settled for the mc
And I dont like that she has some big secret
That shit hurts relationships

I do like Gina tho she is hot
But she can also be a bit untrustworthy imo
You have listed some of my bugbears as well.
Anyway I think I have said many times my thoughts without repeating them.

Gina is definitely hot and with faults. None of the characters seem to be nice people except maybe Paul. Gina is still hot ;)
 
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Joshy92

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For some people yes.
I think there are a few reasons this game annoys people mate.


You have listed some of my bugbears as well.
Anyway I think I have said many times my thoughts without repeating them.

Gina is definitely hot and with faults. None of the characters seem to be nice people except maybe Paul. Gina is still hot ;)
You're right.

And about Stephs secret
I think that is going to be the most important thing in the game
It will probably divide the thread

But honestly my biggest bugbear with the game is the couples communication skills
They are horrible at talking about things imo

Also, another thing is there is only going to be one canon ending
I don't like that
 
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Nafig

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For some people yes.
I think there are a few reasons this game annoys people mate.


You have listed some of my bugbears as well.
Anyway I think I have said many times my thoughts without repeating them.

Gina is definitely hot and with faults. None of the characters seem to be nice people except maybe Paul. Gina is still hot ;)
It should be taken into account that in the latest updates the author is diligently worsening the image of Gina. Steph looks too unattractive compared to Gina.
 

Joshy92

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It starts to smell like a TAC clone. Steph will fuck anyone who comes along and the MC will always agree.
I hope it doesn't go down that path, but I have been here since the thread was started
So, I need to see what happens

Especially because they have a sequel planned
 
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Grumpy Old Aussie

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It should be taken into account that in the latest updates the author is diligently worsening the image of Gina. Steph looks too unattractive compared to Gina.
Yes that was deliberate. The dev is pushing for people to like Tori, not Gina. The next games are based on Tori so its in his best interests to tone down other characters and push forward Tori.
 

Joshy92

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Yes that was deliberate. The dev is pushing for people to like Tori, not Gina. The next games are based on Tori so its in his best interests to tone down other characters and push forward Tori.
I didn't know that
I thought they would still focus on Steph
As much as she drives me insane I still really like her

Maybe Jason will be the next mc? or Tori?
Do you know much more about the sequels Grumpy?
 
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It starts to smell like a TAC clone. Steph will fuck anyone who comes along and the MC will always agree.
High path you are suppose to have control of it. Nothing much has been said about the Med path, Low path will be a soft cuck path approach the dev has said, whatever that means in his mind.
 

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I didn't know that
I thought they would still focus on Steph
As much as she drives me insane I still really like her

Maybe Jason will be the next mc? or Tori?
Do you know much more about the sequels Grumpy?
It depends on your path Joshy, the dev has soften her a lot on the High path to the point she is tolerable. Low path I think she is a bit more bitchy then I remember, while the med path is much the same. That's my opinion anyway, some may disagree.

Very little has been said about the sequels mate.
 
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