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Joshy92

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For some people yes.
I think there are a few reasons this game annoys people mate.


You have listed some of my bugbears as well.
Anyway I think I have said many times my thoughts without repeating them.

Gina is definitely hot and with faults. None of the characters seem to be nice people except maybe Paul. Gina is still hot ;)
You're right.

And about Stephs secret
I think that is going to be the most important thing in the game
It will probably divide the thread

But honestly my biggest bugbear with the game is the couples communication skills
They are horrible at talking about things imo

Also, another thing is there is only going to be one canon ending
I don't like that
 
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For some people yes.
I think there are a few reasons this game annoys people mate.


You have listed some of my bugbears as well.
Anyway I think I have said many times my thoughts without repeating them.

Gina is definitely hot and with faults. None of the characters seem to be nice people except maybe Paul. Gina is still hot ;)
It should be taken into account that in the latest updates the author is diligently worsening the image of Gina. Steph looks too unattractive compared to Gina.
 

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It starts to smell like a TAC clone. Steph will fuck anyone who comes along and the MC will always agree.
I hope it doesn't go down that path, but I have been here since the thread was started
So, I need to see what happens

Especially because they have a sequel planned
 
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It should be taken into account that in the latest updates the author is diligently worsening the image of Gina. Steph looks too unattractive compared to Gina.
Yes that was deliberate. The dev is pushing for people to like Tori, not Gina. The next games are based on Tori so its in his best interests to tone down other characters and push forward Tori.
 

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Yes that was deliberate. The dev is pushing for people to like Tori, not Gina. The next games are based on Tori so its in his best interests to tone down other characters and push forward Tori.
I didn't know that
I thought they would still focus on Steph
As much as she drives me insane I still really like her

Maybe Jason will be the next mc? or Tori?
Do you know much more about the sequels Grumpy?
 
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It starts to smell like a TAC clone. Steph will fuck anyone who comes along and the MC will always agree.
High path you are suppose to have control of it. Nothing much has been said about the Med path, Low path will be a soft cuck path approach the dev has said, whatever that means in his mind.
 

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I didn't know that
I thought they would still focus on Steph
As much as she drives me insane I still really like her

Maybe Jason will be the next mc? or Tori?
Do you know much more about the sequels Grumpy?
It depends on your path Joshy, the dev has soften her a lot on the High path to the point she is tolerable. Low path I think she is a bit more bitchy then I remember, while the med path is much the same. That's my opinion anyway, some may disagree.

Very little has been said about the sequels mate.
 

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It depends on your path Joshy, the dev has soften her a lot on the High path to the point she is tolerable. Low path I think she is a bit more bitchy then I remember, while the med path is much the same. That's my opinion anyway, some may disagree.

Very little has been said about the sequels mate.
Thank for the answers mate I appreciate it
Steph seems to me to be a character people will either love or hate
I honestly like her on all paths
It's like I'm drawn to her or something Even tho she would probably be bad for me

Also, I'm at my reaction limit again
So, I can't give a thumbs up
 
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Especially in a game with multiple paths. I love NTR and still have to work to get on the NTR path I want to be on. If you are making choices and ending up on the hardcore NTR path, then you're the fucking cuck.
I disagree with this reductionist characterization one often finds in other threads as well like Evakiss games. As if there couldn't possibly be any case where a game presents a variety of choices, but those choices are heavily skewed/misrepresent/poorly telegraph towards one end. This argument is usually made by those that already support that "one end" or status quo as a way of dismissing any criticism as fault of the player when there are legitimate design issues.

Or, in graphical form:

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"YOU ENDED UP AT OUTCOME C YOU CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CHOICES YOU MADE!"

I can understand why they step into it like a rake in the grass, though. They seem to think that being defensive, possessive, and telling the wife not to fuck Donny instead of trusting her judgment is the high confidence decision. Whereas you telling her that you are prepared to let her take it as far as she wants awards confidence points, which she finds attractive. The scoring system of the game inhabits the upside down as far as their worldview is concerned.
This is true, but it's not always consistent. What I mean is I agree with you in this example - and often the real world "high confidence" answer would just be to chill out and stop trying to control everything. But then you have weird cases like "Tell her you dont want her to do this if she doesnt agree to Tori" (Friday night) being the HC pick. Or all the dialogue with Jason at the very start.

But indeed, your point is well taken, this is something many games go wrong with; this prompt in my post here singlehandedly made me stop playing this other game: https://f95zone.to/threads/swinging-experience-v0-3-doukruv.167238/post-11518812
Whiny insecure talk posturing as "alpha talk" is a pet peeve of mine in games.
 
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Grumpy Old Aussie

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Thank for the answers mate I appreciate it
Steph seems to me to be a character people will either love or hate
I honestly like her on all paths
It's like I'm drawn to her or something Even tho she would probably be bad for me

Also, I'm at my reaction limit again
So, I can't give a thumbs up
You do have some odd taste in women at times lmao. Except Ann of course. You got that one right :LOL:
 

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This is such a lazy platitude you see often spouted in other threads too like Evakiss games. As if there couldn't possibly be any case where a game presents a variety of choices, but those choices are heavily skewed towards one end. This argument is usually made by those that already support that "one end" or status quo as a way of dismissing any criticism as fault of the player when there are legitimate design issues.


This is true, but it's not always consistent. What I mean is I agree with you in this example - and often the real world "high confidence" answer would just be to chill out and stop trying to control everything. But then you have weird cases like "Tell her you dont want her to do this if she doesnt agree to Tori" (Friday night) being the HC pick. Or all the dialogue with Jason at the very start.

But indeed, your point is well taken, this is something many games go wrong with; this prompt in my post here singlehandedly made me stop playing this other game: https://f95zone.to/threads/swinging-experience-v0-3-doukruv.167238/post-11518812
Whiny insecure talk posturing as "alpha talk" is a pet peeve of mine in games.
Chilling out and not controlling things is one thing, but when you are disrespected that is another. Does allowing Steph to disrespect you as MC a High or Low confidence? Letting her take things where she wants to go has limits. Disrespect is crossing the line. Steph lying to the MC to get him out of their bedroom and their bed so she can have one on one time with Donnie is crossing the line. Accepting that to me is weak and low confidence. High confidence is standing up to yourself and saying no this isn't acceptable and not giving a fuck if you piss off Steph or not. Trying to throw Donnie out on his ass might get you belted up, but you take that chance because you are confident you are doing the right thing.

Maybe I'm just in a unique situation. My wife wouldn't dream of doing that shit to me, she can't stand me being disrespected and is very conscious of doing it herself. Likewise I won't tolerate people we play with disrespecting her. We are very confident in our relationship and each other. In AMW we would cop a low confidence penalty for that.
 
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High path you are suppose to have control of it. Nothing much has been said about the Med path, Low path will be a soft cuck path approach the dev has said, whatever that means in his mind.
Tori will never be attractive to the player. Now, if she came to MS with a Steph problem, then yes. Right now it looks like Steph/Tori are trying to force the MC into a situation where the MC will have no choice in how to react to the "secret"
Now all control is uncontrolled. All versions of MS's agreement are rhetorical. Rhetorical agreement cannot be seen as control. The author created a very crooked selection mechanic. He needed to make a kinetic novel with three routes. In fact, the player must make a decision about an event that has not yet happened. MC's name is Nostradamus? In order for the player to feel in control, he must make a decision based on the situation.
Author: “help him convince his wife that this is a journey they want to take together.” Does Steph need convincing? She rushes ahead of her own squeal.
The author did not fulfill a single promise about the game's plot.
 
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This was the breaking point on many occasions in TAC, even using the most well made effort a modder could give
to such a game, where the MC was JUST STANDING THERE WHILE BULLS WOULD DISRESPECT
+ manhandle + hurt ANN AND SOMETIMES RAPE HER :
- no, surprise butt fuck with no lube or prior preparation is rape!
What a fking joke that game became after that!

Maybe I'm just in a unique situation. My wife wouldn't dream of doing that shit to me, she can't stand me being disrespected and is very conscious of doing it herself. Likewise I won't tolerate people we play with disrespecting her. We are very confident in our relationship and each other. In AMW we would cop a low confidence penalty for that.
Knowing TAC dev is a voyeur himself, I dear not imagine
he would stand by jerking off while bulls RAPE HIS WIFE SO HE CAN WATCH.
 

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This is such a lazy platitude you see often spouted in other threads too like Evakiss games. As if there couldn't possibly be any case where a game presents a variety of choices, but those choices are heavily skewed towards one end. This argument is usually made by those that already support that "one end" or status quo as a way of dismissing any criticism as fault of the player when there are legitimate design issues.
The underlying fantasy of the game is that you and your wife have a strong relationship and you are enticed by the possibility of having sex with another woman. In order to accomplish this, you plant the seed in your wife's brain to open up your marriage to swinging. How you act depends on how much control you do or don't have in how things proceed. Your wife, although reluctant, can find that she enjoys this new lifestyle much more than you may be comfortable with. If this basic fantasy isn't also your fantasy then you are playing the wrong game and the problem is YOU and not the developer. You need to stop being so lazy yourself and do some of your own homework and recognize exactly what game you are playing.

The second thing is you need to understand what character you're playing. You are NOT a top 20% "in demand" male that everyone complaining about cuckolding in games imagines that they are, or acknowledge that they aren't but want to fantasize about being one. There is dialogue in the bar that establishes that your wife is probably a little out of your league. Al these "you need to control your woman" posts are a bunch of men that are alpha males in their own minds. If you are in a relationship and it is completely one sided, where she is always just trying to have her needs met and ignoring yours, then yea, you need to set limits and establish boundaries. My personal philosophy is that it would probably be better to just end the relationship and look for something else and that maintaining a relationship where you have to "control your woman" is the sign of an insecure person. If you are in a relationship where you have to "control your woman", then you are in a relationship where there is a power dynamic, and an option always more available to women than men is to establish power in the relationship is to cheat. If this "I'm in charge" attitude is your relationship philosophy, then I guarantee you that you are more likely than not a cuck and don't even know it. There are women who do look for that philosophy in a relationship, but they do not represent 100% of the women out there, and it shouldn't take long for the player to understand that your wife is not one of those women. At least she isn't at the start of the game.

What should be apparent immediately is the amount of communication you and your wife have. People have complained in the thread how much dialogue there is. She has no trouble telling you how she feels and encourages communication. This would mean that she prefers to talk about problems. It also means that she would not be very receptive to the "control your woman" relationship philosophy. If she was, she'd close off communication and force you to "control your woman". instead, she prefers to talk things through. If you didn't pick up on this in your first five minutes of gameplay then I don't know what to say. It will be perfectly logical for her to respond negatively to efforts to exert control over her and make her look less favorably on you for doing so. She specifically has open communication in the relationship for a reason. If you chose not to use it and instead try to exert control in the relationship, then that becomes borderlines abusive. She will also be meeting other men in this game and comparing them to you, and, depending on how you play, may discover that she likes traits she finds in these men that you don't have. If you are acting in a way SHE finds unattractive, then you will lower your desirability to her and may increase the desirability of others. This game requires you to look at your partner and try to figure out HER wants and needs. That goes for other characters in the game too. The blond girl in the bar is interested in you because she wants to compete with your wife for your affection, not because she wants to secretly be your personal fantasy fuck doll. Your wife also recognizes her motivations and your receptiveness to this also affects how your wife behaves. This refusal of NPC's to all have an underlying desire to be this fantasy fuck doll seems to infuriate a lot of players on this site and when they say there is "bad writing", this is usually what they are talking about.

This is what makes a good cuckold game, that everyone has their own motivations that may or may not include you and you have to figure these out. I'm not going to lie, there is a LOT of shitty writing out there for cuckold games, but this game isn't one of them. The main problem I'm seeing here is that people are not understanding the character they are playing in this game and the dynamics between the NPC's. The main character is behaving in a way that, if her were in the relationship with this particular woman for as long as the game says he has been, he would be behaving. He would not be this alpha male asshole telling her what's what. How the game presents their relationship is the dynamic they would have fallen into. The game introduces an element that disrupts that stable dynamic, and dealing with that dynamic is the point of the game. Characters are going to act inconsistently later in the game than they did at the beginning. That is not bad writing, that is the ENTIRE POINT of the game. Dealing with these shifts and attempting to control (or choosing not to control) these shifts is the gameplay.
 

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Interesting points but i will say
This isn't a cuckold game it's a swinging game
It even says so on the steam page
It depends on what type of cuckolding you are talking about Joshy, there are four types of cuckolding these days: NTR; cuckolding; hotwifing; stag/vixen. The Low confidence route will be soft cuckolding whatever that is.

The dev has said it isn't an NTR game, he did say there will be cuckolding on Low confidence. Of course there are those who think a tag on a pirate porn site is more accurate than the dev who wrote the game, but whatever I don't care either way.

The Steam page says it is a swinging game yes. Something some of us are annoyed about, the game isn't what was advertised. I think its understandable people buy a game based on its description and when it isn't what is advertised they have a right to be annoyed.
 

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It depends on what type of cuckolding you are talking about Joshy, there are four types of cuckolding these days: NTR; cuckolding; hotwifing; stag/vixen. The Low confidence route will be soft cuckolding whatever that is.

The dev has said it isn't an NTR game, he did say there will be cuckolding on Low confidence. Of course there are those who think a tag on a pirate porn site is more accurate than the dev who wrote the game, but whatever I don't care either way.

The Steam page says it is a swinging game yes. Something some of us are annoyed about, the game isn't what was advertised. I think its understandable people buy a game based on its description and when it isn't what is advertised they have a right to be annoyed.
About the NTR tag
I personally don't think it should even be there Unless I missed an NTR scene?

It's just that dude made it sound like this was a cuck game
But it's a game with possible cuck stuff
There is a difference imo
 

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