VN Ren'Py Abandoned Another Man's Wife [v1.092] [Too Perilous]

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

In theory, we don't understand what the game is, it started with an idea, but it gradually revolutionized that idea

I missed your post until Nurikabe replied. Its an accurate theory.

I think that is an accurate way to look at it. It wasn't a diversion or a trick to get people to believe it was one thing and swap it for another thing. It is a new thing. Some will like it, others will not. Me? I am torn between both worlds.

I am out of reactions as usual ugh.
It seems there is still much the dev hasn't decided on. There is much more change to come. We have parameters from the dev, but still a lot of unknowns. Limbo is an apt description as well.

 

[NewTricks]

I've only done two playthroughs on the most current version. One low confidence and one high confidence, although I did explore different branches in each. It does kind of make me wish that I did play the earlier versions so I could evaluate the changes that were made. As we are working on our own VN we are always looking for the elements that don't work as much as the ones that do. It would be an interesting case study. Writing is rewriting and both are hard work. Anybody who tells you anything different than that is probably trying to sell you something. So I can't really speak to whether the changes are for the better or worse but it is doubtful that they are without purpose. The only caution I would give to the author of the VN is that it is a mistake to react only to the squeakiest wheels. In all likelihood, those are the folks that will never like your game no matter what you do.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I've only done two playthroughs on the most current version. One low confidence and one high confidence, although I did explore different branches in each. It does kind of make me wish that I did play the earlier versions so I could evaluate the changes that were made. As we are working on our own VN we are always looking for the elements that don't work as much as the ones that do. It would be an interesting case study. Writing is rewriting and both are hard work. Anybody who tells you anything different than that is probably trying to sell you something. So I can't really speak to whether the changes are for the better or worse but it is doubtful that they are without purpose. The only caution I would give to the author of the VN is that it is a mistake to react only to the squeakiest wheels. In all likelihood, those are the folks that will never like your game no matter what you do.

Sage advice.
I find writing a lot of fun, its the rewriting I find hard work.

Most of the regular posters here loved the game. We loved it so much we bought the game and had some awesome conversations about it and had a lot of fun with it. Then 1.06 was released and that soured the game for most of us for several reasons, for example, the game wasn't going to be a swinger game as we expected and was advertised. 1.07 is heading back in the right direction and we are hoping the next update that brings the big reveal will put to bed a lot of doubts and answer some important questions about the direction of the game. To complicate that, the dev has opened up a Pandora's box of reveals that has added fuel to the fire , for example, Tori and Steph have been involved in some sort of deception dating back to the Christmas party, which brings the validity of our beloved Friday night in to question. Suddenly, the main reason we loved the game could be a lie, that pissed many of us off. I hope that brief summary helps you understand a bit better.

 

[Surprise & Delight]

I am definitely in the camp of "let the dev create the game according to his vision."

Here's what the game shows so far, at least on some paths (haven't played new version on all paths yet):

[Steph and Tori meet at the office party. Tori tells Steph about the swinging lifestyle and she is intrigued. Tori also tells Steph about Jason's sexual prowess and she is intrigued by it as well. The three of them plan to let MC decide.] Jason offers to let MC fuck Tori and the mere thought of it is enough for MC to push Steph into fucking other guys. After all, in his mind, he doesn't have to feel guilty for cheating if she fucks someone else too.

[The part in the brackets above is speculation, and may only be true on the lower confidence paths.]

The MC is not the "good guy" in this story, all paths. He may ultimately be a bit of a fool and he is definitely a bit of a tool, but he is not a good guy. The whole point of the game is that he thinks he can manipulate his wife into letting him fuck a woman he finds hot. In fact, he wants to cheat on his wife so bad that he is willing to let her fuck other guys, just so he doesn't have to feel guilty. This is not "swinging"; it is attempted manipulation.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I am definitely in the camp of "let the dev create the game according to his vision."

Here's what the game shows so far, at least on some paths (haven't played new version on all paths yet):

[Steph and Tori meet at the office party. Tori tells Steph about the swinging lifestyle and she is intrigued. Tori also tells Steph about Jason's sexual prowess and she is intrigued by it as well. The three of them plan to let MC decide.] Jason offers to let MC fuck Tori and the mere thought of it is enough for MC to push Steph into fucking other guys. After all, in his mind, he doesn't have to feel guilty for cheating if she fucks someone else too.

[The part in the brackets above is speculation, and may only be true on the lower confidence paths.]

The MC is not the "good guy" in this story, all paths. He may ultimately be a bit of a fool and he is definitely a bit of a tool, but he is not a good guy. The whole point of the game is that he thinks he can manipulate his wife into letting him fuck a woman he finds hot. In fact, he wants to cheat on his wife so bad that he is willing to let her fuck other guys, just so he doesn't have to feel guilty. This is not "swinging"; it is attempted manipulation.

That is a pretty depressing but accurate view of the low confidence path.
And the reward for the MC is even even more pathetic. He turns his demented wife in to a whore and does all this to probably be the 1000th guy to fuck a broken degenerate woman well past her prime and even more messed up in the head then his wife is all because he thinks she is hot. I think I just depressed myself

I haven't seen your game before. I'll check it out when I get a chance.

 

[Nafig]

I am definitely in the camp of "let the dev create the game according to his vision."

Here's what the game shows so far, at least on some paths (haven't played new version on all paths yet):

[Steph and Tori meet at the office party. Tori tells Steph about the swinging lifestyle and she is intrigued. Tori also tells Steph about Jason's sexual prowess and she is intrigued by it as well. The three of them plan to let MC decide.] Jason offers to let MC fuck Tori and the mere thought of it is enough for MC to push Steph into fucking other guys. After all, in his mind, he doesn't have to feel guilty for cheating if she fucks someone else too.

[The part in the brackets above is speculation, and may only be true on the lower confidence paths.]

The MC is not the "good guy" in this story, all paths. He may ultimately be a bit of a fool and he is definitely a bit of a tool, but he is not a good guy. The whole point of the game is that he thinks he can manipulate his wife into letting him fuck a woman he finds hot. In fact, he wants to cheat on his wife so bad that he is willing to let her fuck other guys, just so he doesn't have to feel guilty. This is not "swinging"; it is attempted manipulation.

I see the situation from the other side. I’ll try to explain my position; it’s easier to think than to put into words.
MC victim. The author constantly says that the level of confidence only affects the attitude of other characters towards the MC. The level of confidence does not affect the characters' personalities, their goals, or the direction of the main plot of the game. On all routes of MC's confidence, he is surrounded by the same people. They don't change. The masks they wear change, the tone of the conversation with the MC changes, but these are the same people, the same goals. Therefore, if in the LC route Steph directly tells the MC “I want to become a whore,” in the HC route her goal is the same, but she does not say it openly. If on the LC route Tori tells the MC “there will be a line at your house, but you won’t be there,” on the HC route her goal is the same. Only the words in which these goals are wrapped change. A frank conversation with a weak, insecure MS, a conversation in which the MS is humiliated. With a confident MC, the conversation is structured in such a way as to hide the true goal, but keep the MC on the hook. It was Steph/Jason/Tori who planned and created the whole situation, they are the ones who are manipulating the MC. The MC, to put it mildly, is not a genius, and that’s exactly what Steph/Jason/Tori took advantage of. That's why I consider MC a victim and Steph/Jason/Tori his enemies.
Something like this.

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

I am definitely in the camp of "let the dev create the game according to his vision."

Here's what the game shows so far, at least on some paths (haven't played new version on all paths yet):

[Steph and Tori meet at the office party. Tori tells Steph about the swinging lifestyle and she is intrigued. Tori also tells Steph about Jason's sexual prowess and she is intrigued by it as well. The three of them plan to let MC decide.] Jason offers to let MC fuck Tori and the mere thought of it is enough for MC to push Steph into fucking other guys. After all, in his mind, he doesn't have to feel guilty for cheating if she fucks someone else too.

[The part in the brackets above is speculation, and may only be true on the lower confidence paths.]

The MC is not the "good guy" in this story, all paths. He may ultimately be a bit of a fool and he is definitely a bit of a tool, but he is not a good guy. The whole point of the game is that he thinks he can manipulate his wife into letting him fuck a woman he finds hot. In fact, he wants to cheat on his wife so bad that he is willing to let her fuck other guys, just so he doesn't have to feel guilty. This is not "swinging"; it is attempted manipulation.

I don't see it that way, with all due respect, MC is totally stupid, first of all he doesn't need to have to tell his wife, the first clue that he is stupid is that he doesn't tell Jason what it meant that he had to bring Sthep to meet too, first Bip, if you want to have a threesome with my wife which means to me that you must invariably have the other wife too, then find the lunch receipt and it's nothing, then at the bar, as MC himself confirms, it was Sthep who chose that place and in the evening, and then not noticing that Domy and Sthep glance at each other even before, Mc has no obligation to take the girl home, but there are cases of trust where when he goes home he finds Sthep fucking, a smarter MC he would have started screaming and chasing away both Dommy and his wife, what does he do, he turns around, I could continue, and then end up at the conversation with Tori where she tells him that he is just a side effect, because they were looking for Sthep, who coincidentally, Jason fucks himself while he's on top, basically how can't you call a man stupid and incompetent if he gets fooled by Tori's smoke, they throw bait at him and he falls in with all his pants on, one of the most idiotic MCs in history, but I must say that he is in excellent company, if MCs like him didn't exist, games about cuckolds, sharing, etc. wouldn't exist.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I am definitely in the camp of "let the dev create the game according to his vision."

Here's what the game shows so far, at least on some paths (haven't played new version on all paths yet):

[Steph and Tori meet at the office party. Tori tells Steph about the swinging lifestyle and she is intrigued. Tori also tells Steph about Jason's sexual prowess and she is intrigued by it as well. The three of them plan to let MC decide.] Jason offers to let MC fuck Tori and the mere thought of it is enough for MC to push Steph into fucking other guys. After all, in his mind, he doesn't have to feel guilty for cheating if she fucks someone else too.

[The part in the brackets above is speculation, and may only be true on the lower confidence paths.]

The MC is not the "good guy" in this story, all paths. He may ultimately be a bit of a fool and he is definitely a bit of a tool, but he is not a good guy. The whole point of the game is that he thinks he can manipulate his wife into letting him fuck a woman he finds hot. In fact, he wants to cheat on his wife so bad that he is willing to let her fuck other guys, just so he doesn't have to feel guilty. This is not "swinging"; it is attempted manipulation.

I feel similar towards this as the way I felt towards steve carters posts a few pages back.

You're not wrong, but that's only looking at 50% of it and applying a double standard.

Sure, MC could be seen as a manipulator, trying to get Steph to come along so he can fuck Tori. But then, Steph is also a manipulator, posturing as this demure wife early on oh-so-offended at the thought of swinging when she's written to crave sex with others. Tori and Jason are both obviously manipulators, no explanation needed at this point.

So everyone in the story tends to be a sad sack who wants to use others. Under this framing, I still give the mc a little more sympathy because while everyone's trying to manipulate everyone else, the writer has decided MC should be the one with the least power to actually do that.

hence why I sound like a broken record describing this as a fundamentally ntr plotline; the other characters aren't bound by rules or misfortunte, only MC shoulders that burden.

 

[Joshy92]

Either way guys I think Steph is bloody hot
My god the things I would do to her and for her

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Either way guys I think Steph is bloody hot
My god the things I would do to her and for her

Joshy you never cease to amaze at the range of women (and some times types) that you lust after.
You do you mate. If you enjoy Steph don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

 

[Joshy92]

Joshy you never cease to amaze at the range of women (and some times types) that you lust after.
You do you mate. If you enjoy Steph don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

I do have a diverse range lol
And yeah, I have been lusting after Steph for a while now
I still want to take her on some romantic dates
I would be the best husband ever

Some of the things she does drives me insane
But I do think she is a good kindhearted woman underneath
Hopefully by the end of the game she can show us her full potential

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I do have a diverse range lol
And yeah, I have been lusting after Steph for a while now
I still want to take her on some romantic dates
I would be the best husband ever

Some of the things she does drives me insane
But I do think she is a good kindhearted woman underneath
Hopefully by the end of the game she can show us her full potential

I think she is a manipulative selfish Bitch, but I don't have to date her you do
You never know, even I might grow to like her. Your optimism inspires me my friend.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

Either way guys I think Steph is bloody hot
My god the things I would do to her and for her

She’s waiting for you Joshy, bring your straw

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

She’s waiting for you Joshy, bring your straw
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Noooooo not the straw I haven't recovered from the Duet straw escapade yet. The trauma is real. Where is Leongen when you need him

 

[Surprise & Delight]

A bunch of replies basically saying the same thing, so rather than quote anyone in particular, I'll just say this:

First, I am a big fan of this game, bought it on Steam, etc. So take all of my comments with that perspective in mind. I like all of the paths.

Second, there is no indication yet that Steph did anything prior to MC's prodding. Maybe she talked about it w/ Jason and Tori, maybe they plotted to try to manipulate MC into the his making his choices. But unless we learn otherwise, we can't assume that she ever acted on that. If she cheated, then she is a cheater. Period. But we don't have any evidence of that yet. Even the receipt on the desk is just evidence of lunch with someone in a public place---it's not a hotel bill or anything, just lunch.

Even in the bar, there are literally a dozen different places where MC could choose not to go down this path. Every single time, when he thinks about missing out on fucking Tori, he doubles down. The MC's decisions are ultimately the only thing driving this car. He cannot bear the thought of not fucking Tori, and he is willing to throw everything he has with Steph away to do so.

The fact that so many comments seem to forget that he is the one demanding this situation just to have the opportunity with Jason's wife just seems a bit biased. Everyone calling Steph and Tori every name in the book should throw the same shame on the MC, who is every bit as culpable. He could have told Jason, "sorry, not interested" (which is an option), and for all we know Steph never fucks anyone else and they live happily ever after. Of course, that means there is no game. But when the MC chooses to go down this path, he has to live with the consequences. And these aren't even unexpected consequences----the MC literally tells Steph that he wants her to do this.

tl;dr - I don't understand why so many hate Steph and Tori, when the MC is equally bad (if not more so).

 

[Slick Bean]

It is the paths ... Like you so eloquently said, many players end up on many paths.
The randomness of such many paths is bamboozling us all.

I don't understand why so many hate Steph and Tori, when the MC is equally bad

On the other hand, MC does not get a choice, you call it a choice to ”chiken out”, when it is game over.
MC never expresses his desire to fkk anyone, yet Steph literally tongue fkks Donni in the mouth instantly.
Where is the build up? She literally denigrats MC for thinking of another woman, yet she herself jumps on another man.
Here is the thing, she jumpd on Donni lap and tongue punctures his face cavity. Grosssssssss!
That shit was never advertised of even hinted all throughout the description, yet here we are, no choice in the mater.
Euwwwwwwwww!
Where did you see MC going crazy? Nothing of the sort. He mcan never talk about Tori as Steph is constantly cutting him off.
MC never actually sat doewn and talked to Tori ever .. so why wlould he go crazy over someone he does not even know?

To be on par with Steph, MC should have literally finger fkked Gina right there, it is basically the equivalent of Steph tongue fkking
Donni face .. but nothing ... literally nothing. Where is the taking of another woman, let alone another woman who is maried?
Nothing of th sort ... False advertising again.

Sure, you can be happy with what you got, but we are talking here about where this game might be going,
somewhere new, as opposed to some like you who keep driving the point into the ground that this game is ok as it is.

Devs want something more from this game, so do we. You do not want anything new in here? Are you contempt?

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

A bunch of replies basically saying the same thing, so rather than quote anyone in particular, I'll just say this:

First, I am a big fan of this game, bought it on Steam, etc. So take all of my comments with that perspective in mind. I like all of the paths.

Second, there is no indication yet that Steph did anything prior to MC's prodding. Maybe she talked about it w/ Jason and Tori, maybe they plotted to try to manipulate MC into the his making his choices. But unless we learn otherwise, we can't assume that she ever acted on that. If she cheated, then she is a cheater. Period. But we don't have any evidence of that yet. Even the receipt on the desk is just evidence of lunch with someone in a public place---it's not a hotel bill or anything, just lunch.

Even in the bar, there are literally a dozen different places where MC could choose not to go down this path. Every single time, when he thinks about missing out on fucking Tori, he doubles down. The MC's decisions are ultimately the only thing driving this car. He cannot bear the thought of not fucking Tori, and he is willing to throw everything he has with Steph away to do so.

The fact that so many comments seem to forget that he is the one demanding this situation just to have the opportunity with Jason's wife just seems a bit biased. Everyone calling Steph and Tori every name in the book should throw the same shame on the MC, who is every bit as culpable. He could have told Jason, "sorry, not interested" (which is an option), and for all we know Steph never fucks anyone else and they live happily ever after. Of course, that means there is no game. But when the MC chooses to go down this path, he has to live with the consequences. And these aren't even unexpected consequences----the MC literally tells Steph that he wants her to do this.

tl;dr - I don't understand why so many hate Steph and Tori, when the MC is equally bad (if not more so).

He could have told Jason, "sorry, not interested" (which is an option), and for all we know Steph never fucks anyone else and they live happily ever after. Of course, that means there is no game.
..............
tl;dr - I don't understand why so many hate Steph and Tori, when the MC is equally bad (if not more so).

Well right, that's just it.

It's written so that this is a given, so to me that can't really be viewed as a 'decision'. That doesn't excuse his behavior - but the point is this path is by design from the dev, so yeah, in the game universe; "it happens".


On MC overall being a bad egg, try this as a thought experiment:

On Saturday morning, when you're leaving the convenience store, assuming you went home alone the prior night and Steph calls you up telling you Donnie's coming over, picture MC telling her "That's fine, but you should know if you intend to have him over I'm going to go have some fun of my own today with this girl from my office".

How do you think that would go over with Steph? Yes, I'm picking a low hanging fruit because that was one of the most egregious moments of Steph's character acting like a POS. I can't see anything the MC has done that has the same level of nastiness - the "Ill fuck who i want and I don't care what you think" Sure, in his own head he may THINK this about Tori, but he still tries to sell it to Steph, he at least cares enough about her feelings to have a little tact.

 

[Surprise & Delight]

On the other hand, MC does not get a choice, you call it a choice to ”chiken out”, when it is game over.
MC never expresses his desire to fkk anyone, yet Steph literally tongue fkks Donni in the mouth instantly.
Where is the build up? She literally denigrats MC for thinking of another woman, yet she herself jumps on another man.
Here is the thing, she jumpd on Donni lap and tongue punctures his face cavity. Grosssssssss!
That shit was never advertised of even hinted all throughout the description, yet here we are, no choice in the mater.
Euwwwwwwwww!
Where did you see MC going crazy? Nothing of the sort. He mcan never talk about Tori as Steph is constantly cutting him off.
MC never actually sat doewn and talked to Tori ever .. so why wlould he go crazy over someone he does not even know?

To be on par with Steph, MC should have literally finger fkked Gina right there, it is basically the equivalent of Steph tongue fkking
Donni face .. but nothing ... literally nothing. Where is the taking of another woman, let alone another woman who is maried?
Nothing of th sort ... False advertising again.

OK, cool, so you don't like the game. Why exactly are you continuing to play it? There are 1000s of other games on this site and other sites. Maybe some of those aren't "Grossssssssss!" to you.

Sure, you can be happy with what you got, but we are talking here about where this game might be going,
somewhere new, as opposed to some like you who keep driving the point into the ground that this game is ok as it is.

Devs want something more from this game, so do we. You do not want anything new in here? Are you contempt?

Are you talking about taking a game that has a very clear direction and changing it into a completely different game? Just because you don't like this game? Why not just play a different game that you do like and leave this one alone for the people who like it?

 

[Slick Bean]

But Grumpy Old Aussie already told us IRL this would be precisely Game Over.

the "Ill fuck who i want and I don't care what you think" Sure, in his own head he may THINK this about Tori, but he still tries to sell it to Steph, he at least cares enough about her feelings to have a little tact.

Dev advertised Swinging and Steph not buying it at all - she always literally denigrates MC about Tori,
who is not even someone he actaully knows, he has just seen her around some parties,
like some animator girl on a pole in some club. But Tori has a pedigrre anyone into actual swinging fetish
will recognize as the key - she is the partner of a winger, she is not a random creep in a bar.

 

[Slick Bean]

Another Man's Wife

a game that has a very clear direction

Another Man's Wife

"I have a really strange question for you, so I'm just going to ask it.
Would you like to be in a threesome with me and my wife?"

Where in this game is the advertised premise afforded to the player?
Dev promoted and promissed changes to the gamers on many occasions. We are speculating about what might get added.
You keep dissing anyone expecting anything new, yet you call some of us contemplating what things might get added as not liking the same game?