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Joshy92

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Me too, but lets wait and see. It may be a Low Confidence path thing.

Don't worry Joshy. I'm sure Steph will be waiting for you after it with open arms, open legs and a straw. You really need to think about an environmentally friendly straw it gets so much use :ROFLMAO:
Haha
I hope if we are on the high confidence path
She does a video call or something while she bangs some other dude
I don't mind if she bangs a hundred dudes as long as she is open & honest with the mc about what she wants

P.S. I would totally eat a creampie out of her
 

Nafig

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steph will probably suck jamal and tyrone's cock everyday on the trip lets be real. Author seems like he loves cuck shit
You forgot to add two points:
1. The MS will ALWAYS be happy about this.
2. The MC will ALWAYS agree with Steph's request.
No. Wrong. The second point can be crossed out. Steph won't ask the MC's opinion. Steph will simply present the MC with a fait accompli: “I will be negotiating business with 50 BBC. Don't bother me this week." MC won't mind.
 

Grumpy Old Aussie

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You forgot to add two points:
1. The MS will ALWAYS be happy about this.
2. The MC will ALWAYS agree with Steph's request.
No. Wrong. The second point can be crossed out. Steph won't ask the MC's opinion. Steph will simply present the MC with a fait accompli: “I will be negotiating business with 50 BBC. Don't bother me this week." MC won't mind.
lmao probably. Hopefully only on the low confidence cuck path now that it is making a return. Fuck I hate the low confidence cuck/BBC stereotypes. It is such a load of shit, but what can ya do, devs and VN patrons seem to love it.

I'm not sure what all these solo encounters and a cuck path have to do with this - "a choice-driven adult visual novel focusing on the swinger lifestyle." Anyway it is what it is.
 

Nafig

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lmao probably. Hopefully only on the low confidence cuck path now that it is making a return. Fuck I hate the low confidence cuck/BBC stereotypes. It is such a load of shit, but what can ya do, devs and VN patrons seem to love it.

I'm not sure what all these solo encounters and a cuck path have to do with this - "a choice-driven adult visual novel focusing on the swinger lifestyle." Anyway it is what it is.
It’s sad to admit, but we won’t see in this novella scenes similar to “hot tub” and “massage” as in the game “Babysitters” or a party in a country hotel, in the game ALWL, where couples randomly chose keys. Now that's fun, that's a swingers adventure.:giggle::giggle:
The entire current game tells how one mistake in youth, when choosing a wife, can derail your entire life. This is the main mistake of the MS in this game.
 

Grumpy Old Aussie

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It’s sad to admit, but we won’t see in this novella scenes similar to “hot tub” and “massage” as in the game “Babysitters” or a party in a country hotel, in the game ALWL, where couples randomly chose keys. Now that's fun, that's a swingers adventure.:giggle::giggle:
The entire current game tells how one mistake in youth, when choosing a wife, can derail your entire life. This is the main mistake of the MS in this game.
ALWL is good value. There is a lot of plot twists in it. The wife is a bit of a bimbo at times but that's okay. The couple actually swings... Babysitters is good.

I'm not sure why AMW didn't introduce a couple of couples to swing with at the bars instead of all these singles. A swingers game is pretty hard to mess up if you actually put some swingers together to swing... The two other couples in the game, one has no sex and the other couple just wants solo play or threesomes. It really makes no sense to me why the fuck they just don't actually swing when you advertise the game as "a choice-driven adult visual novel focusing on the swinger lifestyle." We have Steph's reveal and then Steph's trip away and then the end. Not much room for any actual swinging...
 

Nafig

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ALWL is good value. There is a lot of plot twists in it. The wife is a bit of a bimbo at times but that's okay. The couple actually swings... Babysitters is good.

I'm not sure why AMW didn't introduce a couple of couples to swing with at the bars instead of all these singles. A swingers game is pretty hard to mess up if you actually put some swingers together to swing... The two other couples in the game, one has no sex and the other couple just wants solo play or threesomes. It really makes no sense to me why the fuck they just don't actually swing when you advertise the game as "a choice-driven adult visual novel focusing on the swinger lifestyle." We have Steph's reveal and then Steph's trip away and then the end. Not much room for any actual swinging...
Alternatively, deliberate deception of the audience. Negative advertising is also advertising.
My daughter is into indie horror games. I told her how different the proposal of the authors of this game is from reality. As they explained to us, this is “creativity” and not deception. She gave this example. There is an author on Steam called Scott Cawthon, he makes horror games. The audience perceived one of his games as “not scary enough.” He didn’t “suddenly” make a comedy, no, it’s just not scary enough. Scott Cawthon stopped short of saying that players made poor choices in the game. Scott Cawthon did not say: “you’ll see the update and immediately get scared.” Scott Cawthon did not say that players do not understand the entire plot. No. He acted honestly and professionally. Scott Cawthon did three things:
1. He apologized to the audience.
2. He returned the money to those who bought the game.
3. He made the game freely available.
Shall we compare authors?
 

Grumpy Old Aussie

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Alternatively, deliberate deception of the audience. Negative advertising is also advertising.
My daughter is into indie horror games. I told her how different the proposal of the authors of this game is from reality. As they explained to us, this is “creativity” and not deception. She gave this example. There is an author on Steam called Scott Cawthon, he makes horror games. The audience perceived one of his games as “not scary enough.” He didn’t “suddenly” make a comedy, no, it’s just not scary enough. Scott Cawthon stopped short of saying that players made poor choices in the game. Scott Cawthon did not say: “you’ll see the update and immediately get scared.” Scott Cawthon did not say that players do not understand the entire plot. No. He acted honestly and professionally. Scott Cawthon did three things:
1. He apologized to the audience.
2. He returned the money to those who bought the game.
3. He made the game freely available.
Shall we compare authors?
Interesting. My youngest is in to horror. Its not my thing but she loves it for some reason.

Next is the reveal, then MC meeting Tori (no idea what Steph will do), then there are multiple scenes for Steph's trip. If we are near the end of the game, I don't see how there is a possibility of any swinging, just solo play which contradicts all the dialogue that says they will only do things together and the trust diatribes, etc. The dialogue and the actions are still not matching up. Then the dev wonders why we think Steph is a liar/cheat/untrustworthy. Its a head spin.
 

asahibito

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ALWL is good value. There is a lot of plot twists in it. The wife is a bit of a bimbo at times but that's okay. The couple actually swings... Babysitters is good.

I'm not sure why AMW didn't introduce a couple of couples to swing with at the bars instead of all these singles. A swingers game is pretty hard to mess up if you actually put some swingers together to swing... The two other couples in the game, one has no sex and the other couple just wants solo play or threesomes. It really makes no sense to me why the fuck they just don't actually swing when you advertise the game as "a choice-driven adult visual novel focusing on the swinger lifestyle." We have Steph's reveal and then Steph's trip away and then the end. Not much room for any actual swinging...
Well… the last scene could be the couple at a park near their home swinging on a swing :ROFLMAO:
 

Nurikabe

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Interesting. My youngest is in to horror. Its not my thing but she loves it for some reason.

Next is the reveal, then MC meeting Tori (no idea what Steph will do), then there are multiple scenes for Steph's trip. If we are near the end of the game, I don't see how there is a possibility of any swinging, just solo play which contradicts all the dialogue that says they will only do things together and the trust diatribes, etc. The dialogue and the actions are still not matching up. Then the dev wonders why we think Steph is a liar/cheat/untrustworthy. Its a head spin.
Horror is the best! The Nun II just got released on HBO Max. It was awesome!

I am replying to you, my friend, because I wanted to talk about horror! but the rest is for the general thread.


The problem in the VN is the way "swinging" is being used. "Swinging" is an umbrella term that encompasses a large lifestyle of sexual behaviors. The acts that the devs use in this VN are indeed considered swinging. But everyone these days has their own goddamn definition of everything. Their personal definition of cuckolding, of NTR, of toxic behavior. Just this evening I saw a post from a guy asking if a VN had NTR in it. When it was explained that there was not and what was portrayed in the VN, he said that it was NTR based on his personal definition.

Definitions aren't personal. We have a huge book that has all the definitions in it. And for the more modern folks, there is a website dedicated to explaining definitions of more 'slang' and 'urban' usage of words. We use definitions so that everyone knows what the hell another person is talking about. Otherwise, what is the point?

In this case, swinging is ethical non-monogamy with the exchanging of one or both partners. If you get in the weeds, there is hard and soft swinging. Open relationships are part of that lifestyle. "Sharing" is part of swinging. Swinging is a lot of things. It is not subject to someone's personal definition. Now, what a person does in their own home with their own lives and what they want to call it is completely up to them. But when communicating with other human beings, personal definitions don't mean shit.

This VN is specifically about having an open relationship. Having one or both partners have sex with someone else with full knowledge and consent of the other partner. That, my dear fellow sympathizers, is swinging. It may not be your type of swinging. But it is swinging. And that seems to be the biggest rub in most of the current complaints. Once you accept that this game is about open relationships, a form of swinging, then you'll be fine. You can choose to continue to patronize the VN or look for something more up your alley.

It is what it is.
 
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Grumpy Old Aussie

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Horror is the best! The Nun II just got released on HBO Max. It was awesome!

I am replying to you, my friend, because I wanted to talk about horror! but the rest is for the general thread.


The problem in the VN is the way "swinging" is being used. "Swinging" is an umbrella term that encompasses a large lifestyle of sexual behaviors. The acts that the devs use in this VN are indeed considered swinging. But everyone these days has their own goddamn definition of everything. Their personal definition of cuckolding, of NTR, of toxic behavior. Just this evening I saw a post from a guy asking if a VN had NTR in it. When it was explained that there was not and what was portrayed in the VN, he said that it was NTR based on his personal definition.

Definitions aren't personal. We have a huge book that has all the definitions in it. And for the more modern folks, there is a website dedicated to explaining definitions of more 'slang' and 'urban' usage of words. We use definitions so that everyone knows what the hell another person is talking about. Otherwise, what is the point?

In this case, swinging is ethical non-monogamy with the exchanging of one or both partners. If you get in the weeds, there is hard and soft swinging. Open relationships are part of that lifestyle. "Sharing" is part of swinging. Swinging is a lot of things. It is not subject to someone's personal definition. Now, what a person does in their own home with their own lives and what they want to call it is completely up to them. But when communicating with other human beings, personal definitions don't mean shit.

This VN is specifically about having an open relationship. Having one or both partners have sex with someone else with full knowledge and consent of the other partner. That, my dear fellow sympathizers, is swinging. It may not be your type of swinging. But it is swinging. And that seems to be the biggest rub in most of the current complaints. Once you accept that this game is about open relationships, a form of swinging, then you'll be fine. You can choose to continue to patronize the VN or look for something more up your alley.

It is what it is.
I get your point, you are right technically but I have to disagree the application of it in this case is not misleading. Its a rare occurrence when we disagree lol.

Lifestyle definitions are evolving definitions, not static definitions. Swinging and cuckoldry in particular are no longer defined the way they once were. Example definitions of swinging:
Dictionary.com 1. the act or practice of being free and uninhibited sexually. 2. the exchanging of spouses for sex.
American Heritage Dictionary - Sexually promiscuous.

If dictionaries can't agree on the definition how is everyone else? Simple, you go with the commonly understood meaning.

I agree swinging is part of open relationships and it is certainly Ethical non-monogamy (some good books on that around) and I agree it is sharing, but I find that such a broad definition of swinging you have put forward as problematic. Its not a definition that is common or understood in that way. Hence why many of us have a different view.

If AMW is about an open relationships then why not say that and solve the problem? Open relationships a broad umbrella. Why advertise it as a swinging game knowing full well the connotation for a majority of people is couples swapping partners (aka popularly called swinging)? Its misleading. Its not a matter of a technical definition, its matter of what the majority of your audience understands is swinging.

I have never heard swinging used to describe a couple playing in separate places, different rooms yes, but different cities? That is heading in to hotwife/cuckold/stag vixen territory. Its no longer looked upon as swinging. The dev has said the game is going in to cuck territory on low confidence. Cuckoldry is just not identified as swinging. Its misleading.

That is my thoughts.
 

Nafig

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I get your point, you are right technically but I have to disagree the application of it in this case is not misleading. Its a rare occurrence when we disagree lol.

Lifestyle definitions are evolving definitions, not static definitions. Swinging and cuckoldry in particular are no longer defined the way they once were. Example definitions of swinging:
Dictionary.com 1. the act or practice of being free and uninhibited sexually. 2. the exchanging of spouses for sex.
American Heritage Dictionary - Sexually promiscuous.

If dictionaries can't agree on the definition how is everyone else? Simple, you go with the commonly understood meaning.

I agree swinging is part of open relationships and it is certainly Ethical non-monogamy (some good books on that around) and I agree it is sharing, but I find that such a broad definition of swinging you have put forward as problematic. Its not a definition that is common or understood in that way. Hence why many of us have a different view.

If AMW is about an open relationships then why not say that and solve the problem? Open relationships a broad umbrella. Why advertise it as a swinging game knowing full well the connotation for a majority of people is couples swapping partners (aka popularly called swinging)? Its misleading. Its not a matter of a technical definition, its matter of what the majority of your audience understands is swinging.

I have never heard swinging used to describe a couple playing in separate places, different rooms yes, but different cities? That is heading in to hotwife/cuckold/stag vixen territory. Its no longer looked upon as swinging. The dev has said the game is going in to cuck territory on low confidence. Cuckoldry is just not identified as swinging. Its misleading.

That is my thoughts.
I support.
Swing is a mutual exchange of regular partners to obtain additional sexual satisfaction.
Types of swing
Soft swing - a type of swing in which couples, without exchanging partners, have sex in close proximity to each other.
Closed swing is a type of swing in which couples, having exchanged partners, have sex separately, without being able to see each other.
Open swing is a type of swing in which couples, having also exchanged partners, have sex in close proximity to each other.
The key meaning is “a couple together in one event.” They may be in different rooms, but at the same event.
 
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