VN Ren'Py Abandoned Another Man's Wife [v1.092] [Too Perilous]

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

Guys, you'll find more than one game of this type where MC is intelligent enough to leave his wife, most of them are all weak and idiotic MCs, in this game at the beginning it could have been a turning point MC who was pissed off, or who told her to fuck off, it's funny that Steph with that funny face just says, I screwed up, how can you believe that she didn't realize that MC was missing, she says that she wanted Steph to be there, but then basically she says that she didn't realize that she wasn't there , what a mess

 

[Nurikabe]

Nothing about this game fits into the "NTR" type game. Starting with the dev's own claims that this is not an NTR game. Steph is never meant to be stolen from the MC. The MC is never portrayed as weak, feeble-minded, small cock, impotent, or unable to please his wife. If you play this game like you would play an NTR game, you end the game. Acting like a weak or jealous dick pisses Steph off. Prior to the removal of the cuckolding path as a losing path, if you made NTR-type choices, that was the ending you got.

The intention is to play this game with bold and confident choices. Doing so gets everyone laid. Again, the original intent was that the relationship would teeter on a fulcrum; confidence got you laid, lack of confidence made you sit it out and watch, or worse, Steph got laid without you. I would buy that it would have been (or should have been) an NTR game IF the dev did not have the full intention that the player would "win" the game by choosing the high-confidence route.

That all being said, it clashes directly with the dev's statement to play as a bystander instead of as the MC. My take is that the dev was tired of answering the argument that the MC should have kicked Steph out. So, he told players to stop playing as if they were the MC; make choices for the MC based on what he would do, not what you would do.

I don't think they want to create an NTR game. I think they wanted to create an open relationship game where you got punished for not being confident. But using cuckolding as a punishment pissed off the cuckolding fans. So they changed it all so that each path was a positive take, "win-win-win," regardless of the path you choose.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Nothing about this game fits into the "NTR" type game. Starting with the dev's own claims that this is not an NTR game. Steph is never meant to be stolen from the MC. The MC is never portrayed as weak, feeble-minded, small cock, impotent, or unable to please his wife. If you play this game like you would play an NTR game, you end the game. Acting like a weak or jealous dick pisses Steph off. Prior to the removal of the cuckolding path as a losing path, if you made NTR-type choices, that was the ending you got.

The intention is to play this game with bold and confident choices. Doing so gets everyone laid. Again, the original intent was that the relationship would teeter on a fulcrum; confidence got you laid, lack of confidence made you sit it out and watch, or worse, Steph got laid without you. I would buy that it would have been (or should have been) an NTR game IF the dev did not have the full intention that the player would "win" the game by choosing the high-confidence route.

That all being said, it clashes directly with the dev's statement to play as a bystander instead of as the MC. My take is that the dev was tired of answering the argument that the MC should have kicked Steph out. So, he told players to stop playing as if they were the MC; make choices for the MC based on what he would do, not what you would do.

I don't think they want to create an NTR game. I think they wanted to create an open relationship game where you got punished for not being confident. But using cuckolding as a punishment pissed off the cuckolding fans. So they changed it all so that each path was a positive take, "win-win-win," regardless of the path you choose.

I really want to agree with you, but the placement of the dom1=3 path as less than the middle keeps me dubious.

What you're suggesting would be cool, the LC path punishing as a sub cuck scenario, the HC path a cooldude.avi lotsa fuk path, and the medC path was nothing hugely gained or lost. Except it's not, the dev made sure that there are multiple ways outside of the LC path to reach an ending where mc is sitting there like a dumbass watching steph have sex.

No, this isn't an indictment on watching people have sex as inherently bad and there must be a quid pro quo. I've enjoyed setups where mc isnt participating actively but just watching LI have sex, but not with this tone. The way it goes down here is inherently distasteful and submissive.

I don't think the dev is an "ntr" fan persay, but I also think it's clear his passions lie way far down on the humiliation-sub-cuck spectrum, which could understandably be mistaken for ntr.

I have never understood why the devs don't want people to like their characters. Its bizarre. Jason, Steph and Tori, they expect us to dislike and distrust them a bit but want us to like them more than the other characters. I don't get it. Someone please help me understand lol. I guess its one of the many mysteries of AMW. Maybe its a ruse to keep us around guessing.

Agreed- and this is a big part of why people mistake this for ntr.

ALL the characters are unlikeable. Jason, Tori, Gina, Steph, Donny, hell, Amber is written as a shallow bitch, the only character who comes off as genuinely likeable is Paul. Paul and MC need to get some beers together and tell these other sods to f right off.

 

[Nafig]

That's because you are looking at this from a normal game perspective. In NTR games the player character is absolutely not meant to be empathized with. They are always emasculated by being portrayed with some combination of negative traits: small dick, weak, no stamina in bed (can't satisfy the LI), lazy, jealous, insecure, in some cases try to manipulate the LI (which always backfires on them), no backbone and absolutely obsessed with the LI (can't break up). The entire game is centered around the activities of the LI.

Its because of these things, I say this game should have been portrayed as NTR instead of swinging/open relationship. I don't mind that the dev made the game this way, I just wish they were honest and up front with the players about it.

This is completely NTR's story.
1. MC can't kick Steph out. This is the most important condition of any NTR. As soon as MC throws his wife out, NTR disappears. The reason is all NTR, even surprisingly, MC loves his wife.
2. MS behavior model. A spineless slug incapable of arguing or defending his opinion. Always agrees with everything. Does not react in any way to lies and insults. Unable to independently choose where, when and who he will fuck.
3. Wife's behavior model. Already discussed many times.
4. To give the MC as a reward a shabby whore who has been through hundreds of hands and has no place to test on, this is the most malicious NTR. Maybe the author considers this a significant goal, like climbing Everest, but for MC it was cheaper to visit a brothel, cheaper in every sense. How can this be considered a victory? Who, when they hear the word “wife”, imagines the image of Tori? Well, except for the author. I am sure that with the update, MS will not have a chance to escape from Tori. Jason will hold the MC and Tori will fuck him.
5. In some NTR games, the wife continues to fuck her husband and says that she loves him.
I don't see a decent win for MC in this story. Either “game over” or the rug under Steph’s feet and the whore Tori in the load. At its core, the HC route is the cowardly cuckold route. A route where the MC is afraid to do or say something that will anger Steph. A voluntary slavery route where Steph decides everything. For good behavior, Steph sometimes throws a carrot at MC. MS doesn't solve anything. Where is the strong and confident MC here?

 

[vandal.h]

Nothing about this game fits into the "NTR" type game. Starting with the dev's own claims that this is not an NTR game. Steph is never meant to be stolen from the MC. The MC is never portrayed as weak, feeble-minded, small cock, impotent, or unable to please his wife. If you play this game like you would play an NTR game, you end the game. Acting like a weak or jealous dick pisses Steph off. Prior to the removal of the cuckolding path as a losing path, if you made NTR-type choices, that was the ending you got.

The intention is to play this game with bold and confident choices. Doing so gets everyone laid. Again, the original intent was that the relationship would teeter on a fulcrum; confidence got you laid, lack of confidence made you sit it out and watch, or worse, Steph got laid without you. I would buy that it would have been (or should have been) an NTR game IF the dev did not have the full intention that the player would "win" the game by choosing the high-confidence route.

That all being said, it clashes directly with the dev's statement to play as a bystander instead of as the MC. My take is that the dev was tired of answering the argument that the MC should have kicked Steph out. So, he told players to stop playing as if they were the MC; make choices for the MC based on what he would do, not what you would do.

I don't think they want to create an NTR game. I think they wanted to create an open relationship game where you got punished for not being confident. But using cuckolding as a punishment pissed off the cuckolding fans. So they changed it all so that each path was a positive take, "win-win-win," regardless of the path you choose.

Agree to disagree on this one. If not complete NTR, this game is at least 90% of the way there. And most NTR games aren't about the LI actually being "stolen" in the sense that she leaves the MC but that she has sex behind his back or without his involvement. If the LI leaves the MC, it's usually only at the very end after every last bit of humiliation and pain has been heaped upon him. And if I recall correctly there is at least one ending where Steph has sex with Donny without giving a fuck about where the MC is (either downstairs or at the bar).

IMO the game is definitely gearing towards Steph having more and more sex outside of her marriage. And the MC is manipulative. From the moment he hears about the chance to get into Tori's magical vagina, his entire thoughts and actions are geared towards getting Steph on board through any means possible. Doing otherwise will give you game over screens.

You say the game wants to punish low confidence? Well the "high confidence" route has you ignoring red flags that any normal person would at least be curious about (why is my wife having lunches and phone conversations that she doesn't want to tell me about). Before you even go to the bar or have any kind of conversation about threesomes/open relationships the HC route has the wife masturbating about another man fucking her while she sucks her husband's cock. This is another hallmark of NTR games, the MC has to be so oblivious and dumb that they ignore anything and everything that might even hint towards their LI cheating.

 

[Deleted member 3727657]

I am a ntr fan, not a nts fan
Does this game also focus on ntr?

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I am a ntr fan, not a nts fan
Does this game also focus on ntr?

As you can see from the thread above, depends who you ask..

 

[sagerock820]

nts? Netorase?

 

[Dom Toretto]

When is the eta of the next update

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I am a ntr fan, not a nts fan
Does this game also focus on ntr?

That is a very good question. The devs have dropped red herrings in the game to throw people off what is happening. Then the devs got frustrated that people didn't see what was happening and decided to come clean about some of the red herrings like the phone call. According to the devs, Steph is not cheating, but it is certainly made to look that way IMO. To add to the confusion is the convoluted confidence system which either works or doesn't work depending on how you see confidence. At the moment we are waiting for the next update which will contain the much awaited big reveal by Steph.

When is the eta of the next update

There is none at this stage, the devs have only said they are working on it

 

[Nafig]

Quote from Nurikabe: “The MC is never portrayed as weak, feeble-minded, small cock, impotent, or unable to please his wife.” What is the significance of the MC to the plot in this story?
Once MC allows Steph to fuck whoever she wants, MC's existence in the story becomes meaningless. What events in the game are tied to the MC? All events take place on the initiative of Steph and under her control, the role of the MC in them is no more than the role of a dildo.
Sex with Donny. On any route it starts without the MC, in three options and without his direct participation.
Lunch Suzy. What is the role of the MC? None. With equal results, the lunch will take place without MC, only Steph and Gina. If you remove the MC from the table, between Steph and Gina, what will change? Nothing.
Club and night after club. There is no role for the MC. Everything is done by Steph. If you remove the MC, the evening will also end with Steph+Gina+Paul. The MC does not play any critical role for the event.
Jason/Tori evening. The main character and leader of the action is Steph. Only she decides what will happen and how (everyone remembers “just talk, don’t take your clothes off”). There is no role for the MC, remove him and nothing will change.
How does this MC differ from the classic NTR MC? Nothing. Does the MC make the decisions? Without MC events will not happen? He is shown to be an absolute nonentity; he has no role in the game. If you put a dildo for Steph in the bedside table and remove MC from the story, nothing will change. The MC in history is the absolute MC of NTR.

 

[packard1928]

The sex with Donny from the bar .... Steph started because He stayed with Gina to long. MC knew She was leaving with him...and she was VERY drunk. She even said she was trying to delay Donny. When Donny cam to the house MC was there. I see no fault from Steph here. Only in one option does she actually start having sex without the MC there.
At the club nothing starts with Paul unless MC has sex with Amber. Steph was not thinking to have sex with another Man at that point in the club... She was planning a 3 some with Gina as the main event... and He knew that. He has to ask Paul to come to the house.
At Jason and Tory the sex had to be agreed to by the answers from the MC at their house. Without that sex with Jason does not happen. ( i think )
So... I say the MC is very involved. He makes decisions that drive events.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

The sex with Donny from the bar .... Steph started because He stayed with Gina to long. MC knew She was leaving with him...and she was VERY drunk. She even said she was trying to delay Donny. When Donny cam to the house MC was there. I see no fault from Steph here. Only in one option does she actually start having sex without the MC there.
At the club nothing starts with Paul unless MC has sex with Amber. Steph was not thinking to have sex with another Man at that point in the club... She was planning a 3 some with Gina as the main event... and He knew that. He has to ask Paul to come to the house.
At Jason and Tory the sex had to be agreed to by the answers from the MC at their house. Without that sex with Jason does not happen. ( i think )
So... I say the MC is very involved. He makes decisions that drive events.

Good summary. You forgot the water incident though

The problem with the Jason scene is if you are playing that route for the first time (or first time since it all changed) you give permission for sex to happen. There are two couples meeting together and if sex should happen, you would assume you are giving permission for swinging sex. Then suddenly Steph is having sex without you downstairs. Its not what most people would be agreeing too when they take that option up. They are expecting the MC to get some action, that is not the case. So I can understand where a lot of confusion is coming from. As seems to be the norm with this game, people are misled. Misdirection is a great tool in a story but when the whole plot is nothing but misdirection, things get confusing for a lot of people.

Just my thoughts

 

[Joshy92]

Guys I'm more pissed I didn't get sloppy seconds or a chance to eat a creampie
Why didn't you offer that to me Steph honey?

 

[packard1928]

Grumpy... I do agree with you on the Jason sex. MC all set to go over there for sex with Tori and other things. All he got was to watch Steph and Jason. He did say he was OK with that... but man...what a let down. Talk about lost expectation !!
As for the water... I understand her explanation... do not necessarily agree... She should still be able to control the Dude in the MC house with him there . If she said No... I do not think Donny would have pressed the issue. But hey... it's a game ! We all like to see them having sex.. !!

 

[Nafig]

The sex with Donny from the bar .... Steph started because He stayed with Gina to long. MC knew She was leaving with him...and she was VERY drunk. She even said she was trying to delay Donny. When Donny cam to the house MC was there. I see no fault from Steph here. Only in one option does she actually start having sex without the MC there.
At the club nothing starts with Paul unless MC has sex with Amber. Steph was not thinking to have sex with another Man at that point in the club... She was planning a 3 some with Gina as the main event... and He knew that. He has to ask Paul to come to the house.
At Jason and Tory the sex had to be agreed to by the answers from the MC at their house. Without that sex with Jason does not happen. ( i think )
So... I say the MC is very involved. He makes decisions that drive events.

You misunderstood my message.
I was only talking about the main story. Amber and Paul are side characters.
What events in the main story, without Paul, are affected by the MC in the club and after the club?
Sex with Donny. A train, a glass of water, or Steph kicks the MC out onto the rug in the hallway, and she fucks Donny in the marital bed. What does the MC decide here?
Jason/Tori evening. I wasn't talking about the Steph/Jason sex scene. Before leaving the house, MC and Steph agree: “just talk, don’t undress” and Steph promises to support MC. How does striptease correspond to this agreement and everything else that Steph does using the MC as a visual aid. I only see Steph's desire to demonstrate himself and his skills to Jason. How does this correspond to “talk only, do not undress.” What does MS decide here?

 

[packard1928]

I did not get the scene to what you say... ( MC is kicked out of the BR while she has sex with Donny ) I did get where he is pissed off after the water and leaves. That was his decision ( We Choose ). As for "Talk only" . Do not underess.... If this is chosen... Nothing with Jason happens... At least I did not get it.... Just my thoughts,

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

You misunderstood my message.
I was only talking about the main story. Amber and Paul are side characters.
What events in the main story, without Paul, are affected by the MC in the club and after the club?
Sex with Donny. A train, a glass of water, or Steph kicks the MC out onto the rug in the hallway, and she fucks Donny in the marital bed. What does the MC decide here?
Jason/Tori evening. I wasn't talking about the Steph/Jason sex scene. Before leaving the house, MC and Steph agree: “just talk, don’t undress” and Steph promises to support MC. How does striptease correspond to this agreement and everything else that Steph does using the MC as a visual aid. I only see Steph's desire to demonstrate himself and his skills to Jason. How does this correspond to “talk only, do not undress.” What does MS decide here?

I keep seeing you use this phrase; what does MS mean?

That was his decision ( We Choose ). As for "Talk only" . Do not underess.... If this is chosen... Nothing with Jason happens... At least I did not get it.... Just my thoughts,

That is correct, however, as I've pointed out before, this is the ONLY decision among those approval lines that matters. It does NOT matter, despite appearing so, whether you tell Jason you're okay with him leering, it does not matter how you respond to the "I'm comfortable/let's get to it" prompts etc.

Also, this flow is overruled on the medC path if the ssex var is set; and telling Steph "talk only, do not undress", it will still go to the sub cuck bj scene at end.

 

[Nafig]

I keep seeing you use this phrase; what does MS mean?

That is correct, however, as I've pointed out before, this is the ONLY decision among those approval lines that matters. It does NOT matter, despite appearing so, whether you tell Jason you're okay with him leering, it does not matter how you respond to the "I'm comfortable/let's get to it" prompts etc.

Also, this flow is overruled on the medC path if the ssex var is set; and telling Steph "talk only, do not undress", it will still go to the sub cuck bj scene at end.

Perhaps I am explaining chaotically, it is easier to think than to write.
MC is the main character.
If MC comes from the bar with Gina, then at home Steph fucks Donny in the marital bed (not the guest bed). And Steph kicks MC out of the bedroom. There is an option when the MC lingers in the bedroom. What follows is a very revealing monologue from Steph, which immediately shows what place the MC occupies.
Jason/Tori evening. I believe that if you choose “only talk and don’t get naked,” the evening should end with only conversation. Steph shouldn't do a striptease or the MC should stop her by reminding her of the contract. Otherwise, it turns out that Steph wiped her feet on MC and her agreement with MC. How should the player perceive Steph in such a situation? What does MC look like? It turns out that the choice of MC/player does not matter. It’s especially strange to see this on route dom5 or 6, I don’t remember exactly. What's the point of having the highest Dom level if MC has no effect on Steph. Steph/Jason scene aside, what's the difference between the routes?
The only option that works correctly is “Game Over”. All other options are eight “yes” options, even if it says “no”. Or the choice is rhetorically canceled in dialogue after the choice. Or the author simply ignores the choice, like Jason/Tori. Look at the key events, they are the same on all routes, regardless of your choice. I judge people by their actions, not by the words they say. Where is the difference in what Steph does along the different confidence routes? Where is the difference in the influence MC has on Steph?

 

[Nafig]

I did not get the scene to what you say... ( MC is kicked out of the BR while she has sex with Donny ) I did get where he is pissed off after the water and leaves. That was his decision ( We Choose ). As for "Talk only" . Do not underess.... If this is chosen... Nothing with Jason happens... At least I did not get it.... Just my thoughts,

If MC comes from the bar with Gina, then at home Steph fucks Donny in the marital bed (not the guest bed). And Steph kicks MC out of the bedroom. There is an option when the MC lingers in the bedroom. What follows is a very revealing monologue from Steph, which immediately shows what place the MC occupies.