Puma1978
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Game is not bad made but i ll wait with my support on patreon until i know in what periods this dev will throw updates.
Ii alreay support some devs but unfortunatley they nearely all have updates at the same time so i want to fill up the time in between ...
Ii alreay support some devs but unfortunatley they nearely all have updates at the same time so i want to fill up the time in between ...
A succubus is my vote, deceptive and sucks the life out of you.
I did try to support them early on but I couldn't find them on Patreon. So I bought the game on Steam. I'm not sure they have Patreon at the moment. They seem to be relying on Steam sales.Game is not bad made but i ll wait with my support on patreon until i know in what periods this dev will throw updates.
Ii alreay support some devs but unfortunatley they nearely all have updates at the same time so i want to fill up the time in between ...
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same aussie, i've been like silent skim reader as of late tbh myself
but speaking of Jason, i think he has something to do with the "trader" variable on the script
we've been focusing on steph,tori etc but that one variable called "trader" still unknown.
not sure where the dev is trying to take that one variable to fit in the story unless the dev going to make Jason "trader" story crosspath with Gina in some point
since Gina did mention about working for a company that we the player was looking into (if my memory was right that was the kitchen talk we have with Gina if we decides to know her better in the option CMIIW)
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Does this have to do with the work investigation Jason and MC may (or may not be) pursuing depending on C choices?
I've seen a few reactions that highlight just how bad a decision Steph made with her approach in some "MC multiverses." Just the act of lying about it to the MC doomed Steph in some of these relationships, which adds a tragic element to the story because in many of those cases being open with MC about her secret early on would have led both to a much happier future. I don't think she's an out of control nympho based on her past behavior with the MC, but I can understand how this would be a concern. Would you all feel the same way about a lover finding out she had possibly terminal cancer before her wedding and then got married without sharing the info? Does the seriousness of the cancer affect your feelings (1% terminal vs. 99%)? What about hiding a family history of dying early from heart attacks? Those health conditions also present risk of the relationship ending early, and would be similar examples of lying by omission, though not directly related to fidelity and sex. Would they be as offensive to hide?
For players that want to stay with Steph but realize they don't like sharing her given the impulse control issues, I imagine they would revert to the traditional marriage. Given the benefit of author notes, we know Steph is both happy and able to maintain a relationship like this long term. She values the MC more than she does wild uninhibited sex, she's just tempted by Tori at possibly having the best of both worlds. Even if players believe the real world doesn't have trustworthy nymphos, in this fantasy game she's confirmed to be the "one in a trillion." A loyal nympho wife sounds like a hell of a lot of fun to me, suspension of disbelief in an absurd fairytale be damned, as long as we can discuss and correct behaviors that make either party feel uncomfortable.
I believe Steph is opening up in this (irresponsible and dangerous) way to get her secret out to the MC with her own idea of a controlled environment. It's the MC/player's reaction to it that determines how the couple move forward. I definitely agree that "break up" is a valid outcome for many that should be present as an end route. This has certainly opened my eyes to how important trust is when judging motivation, and how little story beats can severely impact trust. It's almost like a Minority Report situation - is it ethical to imprison a criminal if you're 99.99% confident they will commit a violent crime in the future, but they have been good citizens up until that point? To me, Steph is susceptible to temptation but entirely able and willing to control it. I view her as trustworthy, though an assumed sexual condition leaves her especially primed to the temptations MC is pushing her towards as he tries to get Tori. I now view her actions motivated not out of unfaithfulness and disregard for MC, but out of her being afraid to open up to MC (maybe since that first party she met him). She now has a manipulative friend who is "helping" her share this with MC, convincing her it's the right thing to do, and Steph is enticed by uninhibited sex with her husband just like MC is enticed by Tori. There's a lot of context to consider behind everyone's actions in this game, and some important background details we all still don't know. The authors did a good job of muddying the waters but keeping some behaviors consistent throughout to use as anchors.
I think Steph's propensity to fantasize with a wild imagination (about a very wide variety of kinks) is likely a direct result of her nymphomania/sexual condition. If I'm thinking of the same fantasy, the MC is still in it (she's fantasizing about sucking his cock while getting fucked, which eventually manifests with Donny and MC later). I remember the scene where she describes being with Jason on the low-c first night as well, with MC present. Steph's fantasies DO include situations with multiple men, and while Tori is the hook for the MC she ultimately wants it to be an "even playing field" when they swing - not just MC going off and fucking other wives. I do understand this desire from Steph, while I don't agree with her approach. I too wouldn't be happy in a relationship where my partner is being shared but I'm always on the sidelines. She is trying to make sure this won't be the case if they move forward.
With all sincerity Joshy, I think your preferences and personality would jive very well with what I'm assuming is Steph's true nature. She's loyal, but loves to indulge fantasies and kinks that scare most men off (but which you happily dive into like the deep end of the pool in summer)!
First I have to say, I dislike and distrust Tori as well. That said, I would never let a rotten ghoul s my d but let's be honest gentlemen... in a closed room with news never getting out so that the rest of us can tease each other... it's gonna happen with Tori. You don't need to trust someone to interact with them comfortably, you just need to understand their behavior patterns. There could be Machiavellian approaches to dealing with Tori successfully. I do have to say I find her attractive and would totally fuck her, just never trust her. If Jason truly is a derpy good-hearted guy being strung along by Tori, then I'd have no problem continuing to swing with them in my own "final" route. Pushing Tori's buttons could be a hell of a lot of fun, and I did enjoy interacting with her on high-c routes where she treats MC more like an equal than a duckling.
Spot on! Don't invest emotionally and know when to pull out (right before the soul leaves your body), and succubi are great company. That "don't let them suck your soul out" part is very important though, and the darn things never come with an instruction manual!
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As offensive as being the town bycicle and basically treating MC and acting like he is the only man she ever does anything intimate with,
being that very thirsty for pleasing him and them banging together, only to actually find out she does dogging, she does man eating,
criminal offensive sexual explicit behavior in public, one night stands and hook ups with literally the most disgusting of strangers,
brain dead despicable offensive deplorable dumpsterfire assholes night and day?
That is literally what she does with Danni and all the other assholes in this game:
- even the dum brain dead disgusting Jason is fkked the very first day she ever met and had to talk to that garbage mouthful of stupidity.
being that very thirsty for pleasing him and them banging together, only to actually find out she does dogging, she does man eating,
criminal offensive sexual explicit behavior in public, one night stands and hook ups with literally the most disgusting of strangers,
brain dead despicable offensive deplorable dumpsterfire assholes night and day?
That is literally what she does with Danni and all the other assholes in this game:
- even the dum brain dead disgusting Jason is fkked the very first day she ever met and had to talk to that garbage mouthful of stupidity.
Not to mention it is Jason the asshole incel who offers his wife to MC in the office while MC never ever even talked to her, let alone believe a word of his lying asshole shit smiling idiot of his despicable colegue.
JetZ
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yeah, if we agreed to investigate, the trader variable gonna be 1 from there
and when we talk to gina in the kitchen there's gonna be a slight dialogue of mc remembering that building was the one jason was looking into and the variable gonna be 2
so not sure where that variable gonna fit in the story unless it's just a way for the dev to crosspath jason with gina
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I'm just coming off Perfect Housewife and dealing with Arnold (who I absolutely despise), so I may just be desensitized to gross swap partners here. I didn't feel the male swap partners were that offensive in this game. Donny is too pushy for my tastes, but I like Jason if he proves to be a true friend who doesn't know the full extent of his wife's plans. Paul is determinant and more of a blank slate dildo who isn't included in the group until MC makes it clear he's having fun with their game (MC has to go with Amber for him to show up, I think). He wasn't part of Steph's original plans for that night, she wanted to set up a tryst between herself + Gina + MC.
Before you start listing all the diseases in alphabetical order, two people can play this game. Steph found out about her problems yesterday? Does the second partner have any obligations in the relationship? Why are you shifting responsibility from a sore head to a healthy one? If I have “problems” that force my other half to make “difficult” decisions, I will end the relationship myself. You can’t shift responsibility to your partner. This is love and respect, not fucking with the football team while manipulating the MC.
Steph appreciates so much that in all variants of sex with Donny after the bar, on the HC route too, she tries in every way to get rid of the MC and fuck with Donny without the MC. This is what love and respect looks like now? The author's rhetorical justifications for Steph have no meaning to me.
And in the scene with Donny, Saturday morning, Steph simply blackmails MC with an ultimatum - MC fucks Donny or it’s over. Blackmail and ultimatum are love and respect? Let me remind you, MC is not forcing Steph to fuck Tori.
And how much love and respect for the MC there is in this dialogue. Dialogue between MC and Steph before lunch with Suzy.
s "Do you mean I'd end up fucking your friend?"
scene ikitch6e
e "Well that's not exactly what I was thinking."
scene ikitch7s
s "If I agree to this, you better be comfortable with something like that happening."
The MC should humble himself and submit, is that love and respect?
How can MC correct Steph’s behavior? She's completely uncontrollable. Give an example in the main story where the MC radically changed Steph's actions. Amber/Paul are dummies that have no effect on the main story. They create the illusion of choice, the illusion of the importance of the MC, this does not exist. By discussion do you mean the moments when the MC has only six options to say “yes”? Is this a discussion?
Jason/Tori evening. Before leaving the house, MC and Steph agree:
"Let's hear what they have to say before we make any decisions."
"No, I wouldn't. Not with a friend."
"I think we should go and at least hear what they have to say."
"Just remember, today is supposed to be just talking.":
e "Let's agree right now to keep our clothes on while we are there."
e "We can take them off as soon as we get home."
s "That's a deal!"
Steph immediately forgets about his promise to this MC and gives a striptease in front of Jason. If after the first part the MC chooses “Thanks, I appreciate that”, Steph will order the MC to shove this choice deeper into his ass, and she will continue the striptease. The importance of MC is no more important than the rug under Steph's feet. Steph wipes his feet on MC. What does the MC control? Doesn't control anything. Can MC affect Steph? No. Everything is managed by Steph. The rhetorical justifications the author came up with for Steph don't matter to me.
Tori then blindfolds Steph. Here Steph decides to demonstrate his mouth work and dick riding skills in front of Jason/Tori. When MC reminds him of the agreement, Steph orders him to fulfill her demand. This hypocritical slut can't control herself. Steph wipes his feet on MC. The scene only evokes contempt for Steph. Can MC affect Steph? No. The role of the MC is the role of a dildo with which Steph satisfies his desires. Everything is managed by Steph. The rhetorical justifications the author came up with for Steph don't matter to me.
These two episodes are an exact copy of sex with Donny after the bar. Whenever Steph has to choose between MC or Jason/Donny, the choice is not in favor of MC. In one evening, Steph twice breaks his promise to the MC (betrays) - Steph is a hypocritical whore. If this is "love and a happy marriage", then I am a Chinese ballerina.
After this, the author wants to convince the players that Steph, who did not fulfill her promise to MC for one evening, has not cheated on MC for four years. Who will believe this?
The described events occur at all levels of the “dom1” variable (dom1=5 too).
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I was listing 2 diseases with varying degrees of fatality to compare a psychological disorder with more common physical ailments, don't think that's tantamount to "listing all the diseases in alphabetical order." I think I've covered in my other posts why I feel Steph may have hidden her secret from the MC when they initially met, then chose to carry the lie of omission forward once they fell in love (fear of loss, based on past trauma). Yes, we're all in agreement that Steph is taking the wrong approach to revealing her secret and it's a significant enough error to cause many readers to want to divorce her - nobody is saying she's not responsible for her mistakes. She hasn't fucked a football team behind MC's back, though, and that's the type of hyperbole that probably leads women to want to hide conditions like this in the first place.
Steph wants swinging sex to include her fucking other guys as much as MC fucking other girls. That's the only way she's on board with it, and why she feels the need to "test" how the MC handles her interacting with other guys in various situations. If he can't handle it, they're out. She's coordinating everything in a dumb way, but it's for a specific reason. The MC has to be on board with her and Donny before any of those things happen, Steph is definitely taking advantage of situations but it's not cheating. It's selfish and insensitive to push so hard with Donny when MC is hesitant, but it's not blackmail.
Depends what a particular player wants to correct vs. embrace vs. cope with. If the issue is her having dirty fantasies, you probably can't change anything. If the issue is her self-control while living out those fantasies then there should be more conversations between the couple about what each is comfortable with, behavioral changes that result from those conversations, and establishing clear respected boundaries in the "terms of engagement" to put the kibosh on future cup o' water events. In a meta sense, we need the help of the author when they read our feedback to identify places in the script that can be tailored to produce a more desired audience reaction. More (or altered) conversations/decisions in game to reflect a more granular decision tree in terms of the kinks the couple engages in to match player preference. It takes a ton of time to make everyone happy, though, so not every back gets scratched in every VN.
I haven't seen every variation of the Jason/Tori meetup (and don't understand what each of the triggers is), so I'm not sure why Steph is basically telling the MC to fuck off as you're describing in that scenario. I agree that it's unacceptable behavior for responsible swingers, but it might be chocked up to a coding mistake or those placeholder merged paths the dev talks about as they try to untangle that part of the story. They're chopping the Tori/Jason story up a lot because of audience reaction. Remember too that some readers want that type of content, so the devs have the challenge of trying to make a character that fits very different reader desires within the same story arc. That sounds like a dream cuck scenario to me. Is there a decision trigger (some low-c/low-d combo-wombo) that would lead Steph to think the MC actually likes this (or that would make the author think the reader wants that content on that route)? The MC's mood does affect Steph, his (or the player's) decisions determine what happens in the game in many instances because she's shown to value his input. I think the couple genuinely loves and respects each other on the routes I've played, the "happy marriage" may or may not come after they navigate the rocky road of this secret reveal and their entry/exit from an open relationship.
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I'm amazed that this game still exists after having cheated me and other players on Steam with this mockery, I expected at least a little fairness in giving the money back, but what could I expect from someone who already fooled me with a fake game, full of bugs and more. a shame
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the 6 dollars are not the problem, they are a drop in my wallet, but it is a way to castrate those who make fun of us, I actively complain, if 1000 requests of these arrive on Steam and 1000 complaints, don't worry, things will go as planned right, I repeat, they can keep the money, I spend money on games on PS5 etc. I can't even imagine, but it's their piss-taking that bothers me
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I think Steph could take atleast ten guys in one night
I would hold her beautiful hand while each guy unloads in her
And then I would do the same
That would be a really awesome evening
I would also like to make love to her while she has some guys cum on her face
There are so many kinky things I want Steph to do
Perhaps you guys are right me & Steph would be perfect for each other
I would hold her beautiful hand while each guy unloads in her
And then I would do the same
That would be a really awesome evening
I would also like to make love to her while she has some guys cum on her face
There are so many kinky things I want Steph to do
Perhaps you guys are right me & Steph would be perfect for each other
Is she onboard? Or is she trying to allay her guilt by pushing Gina and the MC together? On the HC you may be right but on the LC path she isn't too worried about testing the MC's reaction when he leaves the room and she jumps Jason while the MC is out of the room. Same with Donnie on the LC path. Steph lets loose when the MC isn't there and lets herself go. She isn't testing his reaction then either. She tells the MC she is going to fuck Gina without him there and doesn't care for his reaction. Your theory holds water on the HC path, but not on the LC path not so much.
Out of interest, I remember there was one ending where Steph mocked the MC. That ending is gone now and I can't remember everything she said, but it was basically he just had to suck it up that she was going to sleep with whoever she wanted and all their prior conversations meant nothing. One of the other guys may have that version tucked away, I haven't kept the old versions. At one time this story was going to dark places and Steph didn't give a fuck about her husband.
There should be more conversations between the couple but there isn't. Its full steam ahead. Friday night's discussion is unique unfortunately. Any discussions that follow are scrappy and irrelevant and only apply to the MC. Steph often ignores boundaries and contradicts the discussions they do have. An example, how many times does Steph tell the MC he has to be honest and yet she is keeping all these secrets. Her actions don't match her words. She is a hypocrite and it makes her very unlikable.
I have to take issue with the Dev and the confidence system. At times the MC has thoughts about what he should do. At times I have agreed with those thoughts. However, you can't act of them. MC can think them but there is no option to follow though. Its frustrating.
The thing with the confidence system is there are times I disagree with the devs interpretation of what is low (LC) and high confidence (HC). You get forced in to making an LC decision to keep your HC score. An example is the phone call. Its HC to ignore the call. Its LC in the game if you confront Steph for discussing your private sex life with someone on the phone. For me its HC to stand up for yourself to a powder keg like Steph and LC to walk away with your tail between your legs because he is too nervous to confront her. Then of course is Steph's gaslighting bullshit reactions to the whole thing. I completely disagree with the decisions the MC is forced in to for that whole scene.
Nafig has a colourful way of expressing himself, but raises a good point if I understand it correctly. I think nafig is referring to Steph jumping Jason as soon as MC is out of sight. It comes across as tacky and disrespectful. I haven't tested it lately but if you select the option for Steph to not touch friends, Steph ignores that direction as well. I think I remember the dev saying that would be changed.
There lies another problem with the game. The rapid changes to already existing content (with more to come) is confusing and the confidence paths often add to that confusion where in most VNs paths are clearly marked, in AMW not so much. Though in the confidence system resetting after every scene, and then the sudden change to the Dom settings I can see how people are becoming frustrated and disillusioned.
I'd be happy with just a couple of likeable characters. I don't know why that is a problem for these devs.
Anyway mate, great discussion once again, I need to go do some real life shit.
It's because he's fundamentally an NTR developer.
I've said it before; what's the difference between NTR game enthusiasts and swinging/sharing game enthusiasts? The former wants to see marital strife and "tension" as they put it (it's not actually tension or back and forth, that's just code for the bully getting the girl). The latter wants none of that nonsense, and wants to see hot sex scenes between both a loving couple and including other people.
The better people understand this distinction, the more they'll see how obvious it is where the developer's sympathies lie. There's a reason why update after update he keeps adding in deliberately ambiguous dialogue in the marital relationship. A crucial tenant of NTR game design is the idea of "dread".
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That about sums it up. I do enjoy some NTR scenarios. I've not found a lot of 'tension' in NTR myself. The problem with a lot of NTR for me is the bully gets the girl and the guy is humiliated. No thanks, not my thing.
If I'm going to play NTR, the scenario needs to be husband/wife with asshole husband/wife meets someone else, they fall in love and they run off together and the poor suffering husband/wife gets to live a great life with the new LI. The asshole left behind gets their just desserts.
AGreed. They're mostly snoozefests.
Completely unrelated, I found out today when I was typing the same sentence you put elsewhere, it's "just deserts". Which clearly makes no intuitive sense, as you think of someone getting "the cake they deserve" etc, but apparently it comes from "deserved" as a root.