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That about sums it up. I do enjoy some NTR scenarios. I've not found a lot of 'tension' in NTR myself. The problem with a lot of NTR for me is the bully gets the girl and the guy is humiliated. No thanks, not my thing.

If I'm going to play NTR, the scenario needs to be husband/wife with asshole husband/wife meets someone else, they fall in love and they run off together and the poor suffering husband/wife gets to live a great life with the new LI. The asshole left behind gets their just desserts.
AGreed. They're mostly snoozefests.

Completely unrelated, I found out today when I was typing the same sentence you put elsewhere, it's "just deserts". Which clearly makes no intuitive sense, as you think of someone getting "the cake they deserve" etc, but apparently it comes from "deserved" as a root.
 
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Nafig

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Is she onboard? Or is she trying to allay her guilt by pushing Gina and the MC together? On the HC you may be right but on the LC path she isn't too worried about testing the MC's reaction when he leaves the room and she jumps Jason while the MC is out of the room. Same with Donnie on the LC path. Steph lets loose when the MC isn't there and lets herself go. She isn't testing his reaction then either. She tells the MC she is going to fuck Gina without him there and doesn't care for his reaction. Your theory holds water on the HC path, but not on the LC path not so much.

Out of interest, I remember there was one ending where Steph mocked the MC. That ending is gone now and I can't remember everything she said, but it was basically he just had to suck it up that she was going to sleep with whoever she wanted and all their prior conversations meant nothing. One of the other guys may have that version tucked away, I haven't kept the old versions. At one time this story was going to dark places and Steph didn't give a fuck about her husband.


There should be more conversations between the couple but there isn't. Its full steam ahead. Friday night's discussion is unique unfortunately. Any discussions that follow are scrappy and irrelevant and only apply to the MC. Steph often ignores boundaries and contradicts the discussions they do have. An example, how many times does Steph tell the MC he has to be honest and yet she is keeping all these secrets. Her actions don't match her words. She is a hypocrite and it makes her very unlikable.

I have to take issue with the Dev and the confidence system. At times the MC has thoughts about what he should do. At times I have agreed with those thoughts. However, you can't act of them. MC can think them but there is no option to follow though. Its frustrating.

The thing with the confidence system is there are times I disagree with the devs interpretation of what is low (LC) and high confidence (HC). You get forced in to making an LC decision to keep your HC score. An example is the phone call. Its HC to ignore the call. Its LC in the game if you confront Steph for discussing your private sex life with someone on the phone. For me its HC to stand up for yourself to a powder keg like Steph and LC to walk away with your tail between your legs because he is too nervous to confront her. Then of course is Steph's gaslighting bullshit reactions to the whole thing. I completely disagree with the decisions the MC is forced in to for that whole scene.


Nafig has a colourful way of expressing himself, but raises a good point if I understand it correctly. I think nafig is referring to Steph jumping Jason as soon as MC is out of sight. It comes across as tacky and disrespectful. I haven't tested it lately but if you select the option for Steph to not touch friends, Steph ignores that direction as well. I think I remember the dev saying that would be changed.

There lies another problem with the game. The rapid changes to already existing content (with more to come) is confusing and the confidence paths often add to that confusion where in most VNs paths are clearly marked, in AMW not so much. Though in the confidence system resetting after every scene, and then the sudden change to the Dom settings I can see how people are becoming frustrated and disillusioned.

I'd be happy with just a couple of likeable characters. I don't know why that is a problem for these devs.
Anyway mate, great discussion once again, I need to go do some real life shit.
Unfortunately, it is not. I've long noticed that opponents like to use the "you took the LC route" argument. Therefore, I always make a note on which route the scenes described are on. All scenes except “train” and “Thanks, I appreciate that” (dom1=2) are taken from the HC route. Steph arranges a striptease in front of Jason and sex with the MC in front of Jason/Tori, promising the MC “only conversation, no undressing.” Does this on dom1=5. Steph wipes his feet on MC and their deal. What kind of respect can we talk about? Steph is eager to join the football team and doesn’t care about MC’s opinion.
 
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Nafig

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It's selfish and insensitive to push so hard with Donny when MC is hesitant, but it's not blackmail.
Do as I want or not at all, this is an ultimatum and blackmail. Swing requires an equal say in choosing a partner. Respect for the opinion if one of the couple does not want sex with someone. This scene is not swing, it is NTR, like all the scenes with Donny, after the bar, when Steph tries in every way to be alone with Donny. This is not swing, this is NTR.

and establishing clear respected boundaries in the "terms of engagement" to put the kibosh on future cup o' water events.
You have mixed up the cause-and-effect relationship. Boundaries are set first and then pushed. It's too late to set boundaries when Steph returns from a business trip pregnant. Where have you seen at least one discussion so that the MC could influence Steph. Any attempt by the MC to express disagreement with Steph’s actions immediately leads to a drop in the confidence indicator. Steph always does only what she wants, she is not interested in the MC's opinion. This is not equal partners swinging, this is NTR.

Is there a decision trigger (some low-c/low-d combo-wombo) that would lead Steph to think the MC actually likes this
I always indicate which route the stage is on. Route “dom1” = 5, there is nowhere higher.
 
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Unfortunately, it is not. I've long noticed that opponents like to use the "you took the LC route" argument. Therefore, I always make a note on which route the scenes described are on. All scenes except “train” and “Thanks, I appreciate that” (dom1=2) are taken from the HC route. Steph arranges a striptease in front of Jason and sex with the MC in front of Jason/Tori, promising the MC “only conversation, no undressing.” Does this on dom1=5. Steph wipes his feet on MC and their deal. What kind of respect can we talk about? Steph is eager to join the football team and doesn’t care about MC’s opinion.
Steph is a bitch on every path. It is how the devs deliberately made her for whatever reason. On HC she is tolerable, not good, but tolerable. On the MC she pushes the border, on LC she is intolerable for me. In relationship to my answer to Adamska, I think on the HC she meets the statement Adamska made (barely) but enough that I accept Adamska's premise. On the other paths she is way off the mark and I don't agree with Adamska on that point.
 

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Ilcoriglianese forte

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Someone explain to me with what courage I can justify the way in which the game dev created the character of Sthep and everything that surrounds her, in the ranking of the most bastard, meanest, most slutty wives, above all she is number one of all the games there are on this genre, but in a negative sense, even the way she is handled in many animations makes her seem like a woman with double personality problems, if you pay attention to the dinner, I think Sthep's sister says many hidden virtues, because he knows her more than anyone in all her secrets, when she said yes to Mc for marriage evidently she had such a dirty reputation that only with someone like him in the dark of everything could she save herself, but her sluttiness is remained hidden in my opinion just when she met Tori at the Christmas dinner, there the two sluts organized all this, also involving Tori's husband, the usual BBC of the game with great dick, just to be consistent, in bribing, taking for granted ass a Mc as usual built like a weak and idiot, now a standard of these games, but in this one, every vile thing that the creator could do against us players was done, if it hadn't been a game put in the Steam library it wouldn't have been we would have seen the radical turning point and all the changes they are making on the game, because like me it is a store where mass criticism makes itself heard, not like on Pateon where everyone covers their ass.
 

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Do as I want or not at all, this is an ultimatum and blackmail. Swing requires an equal say in choosing a partner. Respect for the opinion if one of the couple does not want sex with someone. This scene is not swing, it is NTR, like all the scenes with Donny, after the bar, when Steph tries in every way to be alone with Donny. This is not swing, this is NTR.
It's an ultimatum, but it's not blackmail. It's putting unnecessary pressure on a partner for sure, but that's probably more out of the developer not being able to give the player 50 swing partner options to select from and carry forward in the game, rather than out of a behavior flaw from Steph. That can be fixed with an adjustment to the dialogue ("Let's end this for now, we can go back to the bar another night to try again..." GAME OVER instead of "I'm not doing this again if you don't fuck my Donny" GAME OVER). Big difference in overall feel with a quick update. It's an unhealthy approach to swinging for sure, but it's not NTR (where Steph would be hooking up without MC involvement). The author, as mentioned in the past, does want to incorporate darker routes into the game - so I expect actual NTR to be coming down the pipeline in addition to a more true/loyal route. Right now I think them being jumbled up is confusing readers, but it's EARLY ACCESS - this is to be expected.

You have mixed up the cause-and-effect relationship. Boundaries are set first and then pushed. It's too late to set boundaries when Steph returns from a business trip pregnant. Where have you seen at least one discussion so that the MC could influence Steph. Any attempt by the MC to express disagreement with Steph’s actions immediately leads to a drop in the confidence indicator. Steph always does only what she wants, she is not interested in the MC's opinion. This is not equal partners swinging, this is NTR.
The question you asked me was "How can MC correct Steph's behavior?" This question implies there was already a problem. Yes, a perfect sharing scenario does not include the things Steph is doing - we've covered this ad nauseam. The things Steph is doing are central to the conflict the author has repeatedly mentioned wanting to write about in this story. You can accept this and try to understand Steph's actions/the mystery (if you believe she may have some redemption in the non-cuck routes) or move along. You aren't being held here in a cage forced to watch, Clockwork Orange style.


most bastard, meanest, most slutty wives
You need to spend some more time sifting through the forums/genres, Steph in this game isn't close to the worst of the worst wives in fiction.
 
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Joshy92

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Now I definitely want someone to get Steph pregnant
You know I think I like cuckolding more than I do sharing or swinging content
And when it comes to ntr/cheating I'm not a fan

That's why I hope Steph never cheats
 

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Now I definitely want someone to get Steph pregnant
You know I think I like cuckolding more than I do sharing or swinging content
And when it comes to ntr/cheating I'm not a fan

That's why I hope Steph never cheats
If it were to happen, What if Jason does it lol
 
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Adamska

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On the other paths she is way off the mark and I don't agree with Adamska on that point.
I agree with the confusion the "confidence" meter can cause for players. I view this more as a "content selection" option, to indicate reader preference to the author. After all, the reader is the one selecting what reactions they want to have - so if they're low C Steph is going to pick up on this and give the traditional low C preferred content (otherwise why aren't you acting like an alpha)? To the point of this content being counterintuitive and giving unexpected results, I agree - Steph reacting like she does to the phone call pisses me off too. I hope the authors continue to chop/adjust the story to more closely align choices with expectations.

I think this game could turn out similar to another of my new favorites, Babysitters. That game is basically set up as a big NTR story, but there's a path through it where the wife Lara is completely loyal and the NTR guys just get shut down constantly. It's great, and she has quickly become one of my favorite "NTR game" wives. The player gets to choose which content they want to see in a given playthrough. Those games have to start somewhere before they slice everything up, and not every author does it well, but I can see this game in it's final form looking a lot like that.
 

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I think this game could turn out similar to another of my new favorites, Babysitters. That game is basically set up as a big NTR story, but there's a path through it where the wife Lara is completely loyal and the NTR guys just get shut down constantly. It's great, and she has quickly become one of my favorite "NTR game" wives. The player gets to choose which content they want to see in a given playthrough. Those games have to start somewhere before they slice everything up, and not every author does it well, but I can see this game in it's final form looking a lot like that.
This game will never measure up to Babysitters. In "Babysitters" the MC/player controls the events, in this game the MC dildos, to satisfy Steph, nothing depends on him. For this game to catch up with Babysitters, the MC has to have choices and the choices have to work. This will never happen in this game.
 

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It's an ultimatum, but it's not blackmail.
Five minutes after Donny leaves, with his sperm still leaking out of Steph, she again blackmails MC and puts forward a new ultimatum:
s "Do you mean I'd end up fucking your friend?"
e "Well that's not exactly what I was thinking."
s "If I agree to this, you better be comfortable with something like that happening."
This is Love? Is this respect for the MC?
 

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This game will never measure up to Babysitters. In "Babysitters" the MC/player controls the events, in this game the MC dildos, to satisfy Steph, nothing depends on him. For this game to catch up with Babysitters, the MC has to have choices and the choices have to work. This will never happen in this game.
The player does make choices in this game, you just don't like how the authors wrote the outcomes of those choices. I agree that Babysitters is a stellar game and this one isn't on the same level right now. AMW is also several years behind in development time. Both devs seem to be shooting for the same type of story though, slice of life with dark/kinky scenarios that are tuned to the reader's indicated preferences.

Is your main gripe with this game that the low confidence route includes Steph dominating the MC instead of coddling him? Not giving undying deference to the guy that she knows is weaselly snooping on her, lying to her, angling to fuck Tori without being willing to let her experiment as well, etc. makes sense to me. Low-C MC is utterly failing to gain Steph's respect with most of his actions (Steph knows all about what MC is trying to do from the start, so Low-C trying to manipulate her probably comes off as offensive and gross to her). In my mind, the author is servicing a particular kink on those Low-C routes (a kink which is looking for a domineering partner and some element of that NTR despair/abuse). Don't create an MC with the spine of a wet dishrag in a dark fantasy porn game and then expect a traditional true love story where the LI teaches the MC how to be an honest man, with 30 scenes of one on one sex and at the end they carefully select from 75 partners at the swing club but leave without picking any because they realize they're the only ones for each other. Like, do you want to play this game as a cuck persona who doesn't get cucked? As a swinger who doesn't like their wife fucking other people? That doesn't seem to be what the author is going for, if you haven't noticed by now it might be too late. I'm genuinely confused about what specific main story beats could be updated/adjusted to make you happy. Do you have the same issues with the high confidence content as you do with the low confidence content?

Five minutes after Donny leaves, with his sperm still leaking out of Steph, she again blackmails MC and puts forward a new ultimatum:
You often describe basic sharing scenarios as if they're inherently offensive, so I'm confused about what draws you to this genre. Donny was probably a bad choice for the authors to pick as the first partner, I agree he's offensive. They don't have the resources to let us pick from 40 personality type / physique combos for our wife's sharing partner based on every reader's specific criteria. I think Donny was chosen to show how Steph can be thrown off her otherwise very "in control" attitude when presented with a sexually charged environment. He's intentionally overly aggressive, not who you would expect her to be attracted to, but it fits because part of Steph's recurring fantasies are about being controlled and dominated. I think it's an early clue for readers that something is up with her ("She usually doesn't behave like this, I wonder why she is now..."). It's contentious content that isn't for all tastes, and has caused many readers to immediately distrust everything else related to Steph, but it's not unreasonable from the perspective of the narrative.

Steph is only open to this lifestyle if she gets to fuck guys too. She's making sure the MC understands that she's not going to sit at home twiddling her thumbs while he goes out and fucks other women. Babysitters' Lara is probably one of the hottest cuckqueans in gaming, but Steph is very much not a cuckquean. There is a sacrifice to make for sleeping with other women in this game. Steph is also perfectly happy to call the whole thing off if the MC wants. You've advocated for open communication - this is it, it's just more blunt than you would prefer. Does Steph need to allow you to sleep with whoever you want, without her having that freedom, to prove love and respect in your mind? What other alternative than "OK, let me sleep around too or I'm not comfortable with the lifestyle" do you expect from a woman with these preferences? We know Steph can be offensive in how she conveys her opinions on a range of subjects, but the meaning behind what she's saying shouldn't be considered offensive or surprising. If the MC wants to swing, a lot more sperm than Donny's is going to be leaking out of her in the future (somewhere in the distance, I think I just heard Joshy howl in delight). I'm sure if the devs had the resources they'd make 50 variants of Steph that we all love, but they ultimately have to make some limiting decisions that are going to piss people off. This author clearly needs some swinging to occur for their full story vision to come to fruition and we as readers need to accept that or bail.
 
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Well ... MC and Steph deserve eachother as the totla newbs in the world of being taken advantage by assholes who deserve absolutely nothing
but ignorance, but with the idiotic scenarios they coin in their frivolous asexual minds, we get this dumpsterfire of a sharing game.

Just as you say MC does his idiotic remarks, Steph professes devotion to MC at the house in the very beginning,
then belittles him to the point of calling it quits at the bar, where she makes the most aggregious remarks
about MC and his idiotic idea, which is not even his, it is the lie Jason tells MC, to bang Tori, a woman
he never even talked to in his life, let alone think anything of, as she was the wife of his bully +hustler ”friend”.
Is your main gripe with this game that the low confidence route includes Steph dominating the MC instead of coddling him? Not giving undying deference to the guy that she knows is weaselly snooping on her, lying to her, angling to fuck Tori without being willing to let her experiment as well, etc. makes sense to me. Low-C MC is utterly failing to gain Steph's respect with most of his actions (Steph knows all about what MC is trying to do from the start, so Low-C trying to manipulate her probably comes off as offensive and gross to her).
Then, in no time at all, Steph disrespects MC, lies to him and forces Doni down his throat - remember that by this time, there is never even a wisk of anything with or about Tori, no plan and no idea, just whatever dumb words MC remembered from what Jason had told him earlier: Steph proceeds to fkk everithing that moves, her initiating, her double downing on Doni, this inanimate fkking decrepit piece of furniture of a man, being the mute brain dead offputting dumb as nails tool in the bedroom and all around disgusting dumpsterfire of a man.
- That is all Steph, never MC, as MC can never tell or influence Steph but only agree or not to her wild free use brainless whore attitude towards sharing- being the town bycicle while lying and cheating on MC - which is a total disconnect from what devs profess and what MC is doing: smiling and eating all the shit Steph is pouring down his throat every time.

We are not talking about the fact Steph called the day after a total stranger who lacks any and all social skill and has nothing to offer in the bedroom at all - absolute carbon copy of MC with the attitude of a plank and asshole antics.

Steph then proceeds to keep throwing herself on absolute subhuman brain dead strangers, with nothing like what a hook up or a one night stand would entail - this is going against countless noves and series and movies lore that tell you the whole deal: what you have to do is fuck and forget, loose the number, loose the name, never ever seek the brain dead dildo idiot again.

The men in this game are just shlongs for players to keep looking at,
there are no gains either on sharing or on cheating path - because the idiots getting a free use Steph
are total nobodies to us and to the plot.

Saying this idiot is ok for a one night stand based on how much you like his shlong or abs is total nonsense.
 
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Low-C MC is utterly failing to gain Steph's respect with most of his actions (Steph knows all about what MC is trying to do from the start, so Low-C trying to manipulate her probably comes off as offensive and gross to her). In my mind, the author is servicing a particular kink on those Low-C routes (a kink which is looking for a domineering partner and some element of that NTR despair/abuse).
You are not paying attention, I’m already used to the fact that my opponents’ favorite argument is “you chose the LC route.” That's why I always indicate which route the scene is on. The scenes I listed take place on the HC route and “dom1”=5, there is nowhere higher.

"Do you have the same issues with the high confidence content as you do with the low confidence content? "
I didn't notice any difference in Steph's ACTIONS, words don't matter. I judge people by their deeds, not their words.

Let's make it simpler. Give an example of the influence of the MC on the main plot, what changes in events.
 
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