VN Ren'Py Abandoned Another Man's Wife [v1.092] [Too Perilous]

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

No, no, it doesn't work like that at all:

- There's a variable called 'sp' which is initialized to 0.
- No matter the dom1 value, on the scene previous to the Tori and Jason meeting, you always have the option to tell Steph either "Today is supposed to be just talk, so let's keep it that way" or "Let's just keep it simple and hear what they have to say". If you do that, 'sp' will be set to -1.
- At the meeting, on the dom1 values of 1 and 2, when you are alone with Jason, you have the option to "Tell Jason you're not ready to see him making moves on your wife". This will subtract 1 from 'sp'.
- There's no other way to modify that variable.


So at the end of the Tori talk, 'sp' will be either 0, -1 or -2. If it's less than 0, no matter the dom1 value, there will be no sex scene and they will play the second game. So no end game with those choices.

On the dom1=3 path, besides the 'sp' check, you have an additional option to tell Tori "I'm still not sure where I am on this". If you do that there's no sex scene and they'll play the second game too. If instead you choose "I'm all in", the sex scene only happens if sp=0.

I'm aware of the sp variable, however, there is no second game in the current content no? Or for that matter, any content that depends upon a negative sp value. That's what I meant by the end of the game. Not the it's the end of the canon game, persay, but there's nothing more to see on that path in the current build. Again, I don't see this as a choice as it's a "choice" between "some content" and "no content".

Perhaps if the Jason house visit was newly released and these same complaints were voiced, there'd be more validity to the defense that those other options are merely unfinished paths, and once the game is more complete, the full picture will be satisfying.

But we've been sitting here now for a good 2/5 or 3/5 of the game's entire life cycle where the only path that results in sex scenes are the cuck humilation paths. Surely, you can understand why people take issue with that and assume the dev's focus is less than amicable swinging.

 

[asahibito]

I'm aware of the sp variable, however, there is no second game in the current content no? Or for that matter, any content that depends upon a negative sp value. That's what I meant by the end of the game. Not the it's the end of the canon game, persay, but there's nothing more to see on that path in the current build. Again, I don't see this as a choice as it's a "choice" between "some content" and "no content".

Perhaps if the Jason house visit was newly released and these same complaints were voiced, there'd be more validity to the defense that those other options are merely unfinished paths, and once the game is more complete, the full picture will be satisfying.

But we've been sitting here now for a good 2/5 or 3/5 of the game's entire life cycle where the only path that results in sex scenes are the cuck humilation paths. Surely, you can understand why people take issue with that.

My sentiments exactly. If you count the unreachable Donny Ntr-ish scene, more effort has been spent on non High Confidence content. I rather the effort been spend on finishing the golden path (High Confidence), then go back and flesh out the rest. This way if anything happens we have at least the prefered storyline completed.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I'm aware of the sp variable, however, there is no second game in the current content no? Or for that matter, any content that depends upon a negative sp value. That's what I meant by the end of the game. Not the it's the end of the canon game, persay, but there's nothing more to see on that path in the current build. Again, I don't see this as a choice as it's a "choice" between "some content" and "no content".

Perhaps if the Jason house visit was newly released and these same complaints were voiced, there'd be more validity to the defense that those other options are merely unfinished paths, and once the game is more complete, the full picture will be satisfying.

But we've been sitting here now for a good 2/5 or 3/5 of the game's entire life cycle where the only path that results in sex scenes are the cuck humilation paths. Surely, you can understand why people take issue with that and assume the dev's focus is less than amicable swinging.

The Tori/Jason meeting will be finished this coming week apparently. The second game looks like it will end in sex with Steph and Jason or at least give that possibility on the High confidence/high dom1 paths. Jason is a snake, I'd rather kick him in the balls for being a shitty friend then let him touch my wife, but alas MC doesn't get to do violent actions in this game, just think about them and I doubt he will get to confront Jason for deceiving him either.

 

[RippedKegels]

So is there no 'regular' cheating in this? It all comes from cuckoldry and/or swinging gone wrong?

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

So is there no 'regular' cheating in this? It all comes from cuckoldry and/or swinging gone wrong?

For now the devs have said Steph isn't cheating whether she will in the future who knows as she has serious mental health problems and has little self control so it wouldn't surprise me if she does on her away trip with pool guy.

 

[gyshia915]

I'm aware of the sp variable, however, there is no second game in the current content no? Or for that matter, any content that depends upon a negative sp value. That's what I meant by the end of the game. Not the it's the end of the canon game, persay, but there's nothing more to see on that path in the current build. Again, I don't see this as a choice as it's a "choice" between "some content" and "no content".

Perhaps if the Jason house visit was newly released and these same complaints were voiced, there'd be more validity to the defense that those other options are merely unfinished paths, and once the game is more complete, the full picture will be satisfying.

But we've been sitting here now for a good 2/5 or 3/5 of the game's entire life cycle where the only path that results in sex scenes are the cuck humilation paths. Surely, you can understand why people take issue with that and assume the dev's focus is less than amicable swinging.

Ah ok, I thought you meant end game like when the MC went back to the bar with the Donny train thing or something like that. Yeah the update finishes after the Tori talk and the only additional content you can get right now is the sex scene. But come on, you can't say that avoiding the sex between Steph and Jason on their own is not a choice, even more so when the meeting hasn't ended yet and another kind of sex scenes can still be triggered after or during the second game on the next updates.

It could be something similar like the Friday night, where you can get different variations depending on how the night develops. But you wouldn't say that not having sex with Gina or Donny that first night is not a choice, right?

Let's see when whole event is complete.

 

[packard1928]

Love to see a couple teaser to see where they ( dev's ) are going ??

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

when the meeting hasn't ended yet and another kind of sex scenes can still be triggered after or during the second game on the next updates.

It could be something similar like the Friday night, where you can get different variations depending on how the night develops. But you wouldn't say that not having sex with Gina or Donny that first night is not a choice, right?

Let's see when whole event is complete.

Indeed, and once they implement additional outcomes for the Tori house visit that result in full scenes, I would recognize it as a valid choice-making junction. However, right now, it's not, and it's been that way for at least a month or more.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Indeed, and once they implement additional outcomes for the Tori house visit that result in full scenes, I would recognize it as a valid choice-making junction. However, right now, it's not, and it's been that way for at least a month or more.

That is not going to change any time soon. This week will be Tori pt2 and then Steph's psycho reveal weeks after that. This is the main story line and the other branches at the junction are after thoughts due to the adverse reaction to Tori/Jason. So we may not see any work on them until the end. Now the devs have revealed Tori is trying to 'save' Steph through her fucked up sex therapy, they may revert back to the original story line and those paths never eventuate.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

That is not going to change any time soon. This week will be Tori pt2 and then Steph's psycho reveal weeks after that. This is the main story line and the other branches at the junction are after thoughts due to the adverse reaction to Tori/Jason. So we may not see any work on them until the end. Now the devs have revealed Tori is trying to 'save' Steph through her fucked up sex therapy, they may revert back to the original story line and those paths never eventuate.

Preaching to the choir brother, I was just trying to be even-keeled and opened minded in light of gyshia's post above. But ultimately if I were a betting man, most of us are on the "don't pass" line.

There's just too much ammo, it's the steph personality, it's the teaser pics with yet more bbc, it's the endless attention to jason and tori, it's the hyperfocus on subterfuge and tangled webs, as if these are things swinging game players desire.

It's like my grandpa always said, "Your actions speak so loudly I cannot even hear what you are saying." Look at how the devs spend their time, not what they say, and the story becomes very clear.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Preaching to the choir brother, I was just trying to be even-keeled and opened minded in light of gyshia's post above. But ultimately if I were a betting man, most of us are on the "don't pass" line.

There's just too much ammo, it's the steph personality, it's the teaser pics with yet more bbc, it's the endless attention to jason and tori, it's the hyperfocus on subterfuge and tangled webs, as if these are things swinging game players desire.

It's like my grandpa always said, "Your actions speak so loudly I cannot even hear what you are saying." Look at how the devs spend their time, not what they say, and the story becomes very clear.

That post probably came across more grumpy than I intended oops.

Steph obviously has issues and I don't see how her big reveal that she has issues is a big reveal, but I'm happy to be surprised. I'll post the dev's latest comment soon for those who can't see Steam.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

More from the dev below

In response to this statement:
You said in one of your posts we would have choices to forgive or not forgive Steph and others. If you don't forgive Steph shouldn't there be a divorce Steph's ass ending? It seems like you are going to force MC to stay married to a woman he can't forgive if the player chooses those options or has that all changed?


tooperilous.media [developer] 12 hours ago
That scenario doesn't make sense to me for a couple of reasons.

1. The statement I made said you could decide to not forgive "people" and was not specific to Steph nor was it intended to include Steph because:

2. The MC loves his wife unconditionally and pledges at the outset not to let the experience ruin their marriage. He says both of those things several times.

You play the game as the MC providing input on some of his choices, but the MC is not you. I can't say that I have the talent to write a game where the MC becomes the player. You can do that RP'ing in an MMORPG where you have complete control over your avatar, but the MC is not intended to be an avatar. That makes me think it would be really interesting to see an MMORPG crossed with an AVN. Now I'm going to waste a lot of time today imagining what that could look like.
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A wife with no accountability and a husband that blindly excuses everything she does under the guise of unconditional love. What could possibly go wrong...
This VN might end up like TACOS yet.

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

More from the dev below

In response to this statement:
You said in one of your posts we would have choices to forgive or not forgive Steph and others. If you don't forgive Steph shouldn't there be a divorce Steph's ass ending? It seems like you are going to force MC to stay married to a woman he can't forgive if the player chooses those options or has that all changed?


tooperilous.media [developer] 12 hours ago
That scenario doesn't make sense to me for a couple of reasons.

1. The statement I made said you could decide to not forgive "people" and was not specific to Steph nor was it intended to include Steph because:

2. The MC loves his wife unconditionally and pledges at the outset not to let the experience ruin their marriage. He says both of those things several times.

You play the game as the MC providing input on some of his choices, but the MC is not you. I can't say that I have the talent to write a game where the MC becomes the player. You can do that RP'ing in an MMORPG where you have complete control over your avatar, but the MC is not intended to be an avatar. That makes me think it would be really interesting to see an MMORPG crossed with an AVN. Now I'm going to waste a lot of time today imagining what that could look like.
...........................................................................................................................................................

A wife with no accountability and a husband that blindly excuses everything she does under the guise of unconditional love. What could possibly go wrong...
This VN might end up like TACOS yet.
[/CITAZIONE]




this shows even more that in the end it is nothing but a copy and paste of many other similar games, usual slutty and lying wife, and I am MC that the creator erects as a super idiot with a smile always in sight, he is always happier with the cocks that the wife takes, has now become an outdated cliché

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

More from the dev below

In response to this statement:
You said in one of your posts we would have choices to forgive or not forgive Steph and others. If you don't forgive Steph shouldn't there be a divorce Steph's ass ending? It seems like you are going to force MC to stay married to a woman he can't forgive if the player chooses those options or has that all changed?


tooperilous.media [developer] 12 hours ago
That scenario doesn't make sense to me for a couple of reasons.

1. The statement I made said you could decide to not forgive "people" and was not specific to Steph nor was it intended to include Steph because:

2. The MC loves his wife unconditionally and pledges at the outset not to let the experience ruin their marriage. He says both of those things several times.

You play the game as the MC providing input on some of his choices, but the MC is not you. I can't say that I have the talent to write a game where the MC becomes the player. You can do that RP'ing in an MMORPG where you have complete control over your avatar, but the MC is not intended to be an avatar. That makes me think it would be really interesting to see an MMORPG crossed with an AVN. Now I'm going to waste a lot of time today imagining what that could look like.
...........................................................................................................................................................

A wife with no accountability and a husband that blindly excuses everything she does under the guise of unconditional love. What could possibly go wrong...
This VN might end up like TACOS yet.

You play the game as the MC providing input on some of his choices, but the MC is not you.

No filter, immediately the first thing my brain jumps to when I read this is how passionate NTR fans will mock those that want more amicable relationships as "LOL! STOP SELF-INSERTING".

He lost me at the rpg comparison. If anything, I treat [my] characters in an MMORPG less as myself than I do a VN. Ala "this is my gnome mage, he's good with magic, but pretty squishy"/"This is my orc warrior, his super hard but suceptible to cc".

In VNs, the actual gameplay itself is fairly limited, so all we have left is making decisions, and watching the scenery change based on those decisions. I'd say that much closer resembles a personality than an enumerated list of attributes like str/dex/agi/int/per/hp/man.

Long story short, to me this just adds another log to the fire of my hunch of the dev being a huge ntr fan. Appreciate you relaying that exchange though.

 

[matthww]

Also appreciate the post.

I'm not the first one here to say this, so I'm paraphrasing someone here (dont remember who)..... It seems like there are very few devs that actually come from a background of cuckolding interest. The vast majority either come from the corruption, cheating, or "ntr betrayal" type fetishes, and their brand of cuckolding is molded accordingly.

Their interests don't come from a "watching your wife/gf" perspective, their interests come from a "experience the bully corrupt the woman" or similar, and the scenes are written in that vein.

Your post was perfect. I feel the same about Devs and even the porn content producers.

 

[matthww]

Great post and I really appreciate you being so open with your feelings. Is this game swinging or cuckolding? Well that is a very good question. The easy answer is, on High Confidence it is swinging, on low confidence it is cuckolding, but certainly doesn't look like that at the moment. So we will see what happens there. I'm a bit mystified by the dev saying he wrote the ending five months ago while telling us the endings had changed a while back so its not clear. The game is advertised as swinging but we aren't seeing it.


For my wife and I sharing is about us. Its never about the 'bull', he or she is a means to an end. I'm certainly not a sit around in my clothes sort of guy either. Well at the start for a while but not for long. I'm there in the action with my wife and our attention is on each other. That is our ideal experience and it does enhance our sexuality as a couple for months after. In saying that other couples do it in other ways. I'm always asking questions of others in the various lifestyles. Every couple has their own thing and different guys have different kinks. I am often at a loss to understand why some of these guys have the kink they do. There is a whole spectrum of ways couples go about sharing and the kinks guy have. Sadly, porn, VNs, etc tend to have a certain stereotype which alludes to very few of us in these lifestyles. Sure there is a significant percentage of submissive guys. There is also I would say a higher percentage of guys who are not in to humiliation and plenty of them are more than likely to drop you on your ass if you try. We have done the solo thing due to the situation at the time, but my wife is not a fan, as for us, it is about us as a couple.


Oh yeah, I feel the same, it is my largest concern, but my wife never makes me feel like nothing. She spoils me rotten. Rules tend to change over time, but there needs to be rules or boundaries and those should be continually talked about and made sure that both of you are on the same page. My wife and I have had one bad experience and that was due to a misunderstanding in boundaries and since then we have really picked up our communication.

I agree with you too.
Cuckolding is complex, we can learn about multiple ways to enjoy this lifestyle. But typical "categories" are missed because producers can't understand the fetish from a cuckold pov, yet.

We could start this conversation trying to understand what is universal: inferiority complex (stamina or size); the Idea that cuck usually are smart; the fact that he still wants other girls specially to sharing their; the fact that women are not so obsessed about size as men, most just try cuckolding to pleases their partner at first, despite they can like It (It doesnt mean that women can't cheating); It's so hard to find a decent bull that many couples accept situations that aren't ideal for them.

On the other hand, when I think what is specific, I think exactly about the sex. I'm a bit dominant, despite the fact that I spent a lot of attention to don't neglect my partners. When I started, I literally fucked my ex gf with the bull, like a regular mmf threesome. But she makes me feels 'comfortable', then I started to be romantic with her (kissing her; sucking her while she sitting in my face and the other guy fucked her). For a time, she found a Nice guy, but he was in love with her, then I can't watch they. Hahaha

Situations are what make the correct way to explore the lifestyle. I only hate cheating. The Idea of being simped.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

No filter, immediately the first thing my brain jumps to when I read this is how passionate NTR fans will mock those that want more amicable relationships as "LOL! STOP SELF-INSERTING".

He lost me at the rpg comparison. If anything, I treat [my] characters in an MMORPG less as myself than I do a VN. Ala "this is my gnome mage, he's good with magic, but pretty squishy"/"This is my orc warrior, his super hard but suceptible to cc".

In VNs, the actual gameplay itself is fairly limited, so all we have left is making decisions, and watching the scenery change based on those decisions. I'd say that much closer resembles a personality than an enumerated list of attributes like str/dex/agi/int/per/hp/man.

Long story short, to me this just adds another log to the fire of my hunch of the dev being a huge ntr fan. Appreciate you relaying that exchange though.

I am unapologetic, I immerse myself in the MC and story, that is why I am here in this forum, I want great naughty/erotic stories I can immerse myself in to. I don't give a shit if people approve of that or not. I'm too grumpy and old to care.

At the start of AMW I feel like I am the MC and in control, well not in control but mostly have control. By the time we get to Tori I no longer feel I have any control. I feel just a spectator and I think that is where they have gone wrong to a large extent. I wasn't happy about the rpg comparison either. It disappointed me, and I tried to relay that in a softer way than I have in the past. I'm trying to extend an olive branch so to speak while being more focused on constructive criticism than just criticism. Otherwise there is little point in engaging with them. I don't expect them to change their decisions for me, but I do hope I can make them ask questions they may not have thought of and go better directions.

I have no problem with their being an NTR path. I may even enjoy it. NTR needs to be clearly stated if that is the case and the choice given to go that path or avoid it.

 

[matthww]

No filter, immediately the first thing my brain jumps to when I read this is how passionate NTR fans will mock those that want more amicable relationships as "LOL! STOP SELF-INSERTING".

He lost me at the rpg comparison. If anything, I treat [my] characters in an MMORPG less as myself than I do a VN. Ala "this is my gnome mage, he's good with magic, but pretty squishy"/"This is my orc warrior, his super hard but suceptible to cc".

In VNs, the actual gameplay itself is fairly limited, so all we have left is making decisions, and watching the scenery change based on those decisions. I'd say that much closer resembles a personality than an enumerated list of attributes like str/dex/agi/int/per/hp/man.

Long story short, to me this just adds another log to the fire of my hunch of the dev being a huge ntr fan. Appreciate you relaying that exchange though.

I am unapologetic, I immerse myself in the MC and story, that is why I am here in this forum, I want great naughty/erotic stories I can immerse myself in to. I don't give a shit if people approve of that or not. I'm too grumpy and old to care.

At the start of AMW I feel like I am the MC and in control, well not in control but mostly have control. By the time we get to Tori I no longer feel I have any control. I feel just a spectator and I think that is where they have gone wrong to a large extent. I wasn't happy about the rpg comparison either. It disappointed me, and I tried to relay that in a softer way than I have in the past. I'm trying to extend an olive branch so to speak while being more focused on constructive criticism than just criticism. Otherwise there is little point in engaging with them. I don't expect them to change their decisions for me, but I do hope I can make them ask questions they may not have thought of and go better directions.

I have no problem with their being an NTR path. I may even enjoy it. NTR needs to be clearly stated if that is the case and the choice given to go that path or avoid it.

Guys, we definitely play on the same team here. I agree with most thoughts what you wrote.
My single disagreement is that I like Tori and even her role in the game. But I understand Grump Old Aussi feelings cause i had this feeling when started to play VN's, I mean: in the real life, swing/sharing/cuckolding ARE both Very different from VN's, I fight against my dates's jealously/pudor to convince they to try these fetishes. In the end, they loved, but was never a easy, neither quick. I'm trying to say: I never needed a Tori to convince my dates, actually I loved the slow arc of corruption since the encouragement until the day what they accept. It also improve my sinergy and the respect of girls for me, after all they was trying fine experiences thanks to me. Who lives It in real life, in a long-term relationship, knows that ntr VN's plot kill every relationship quickly. It's not sustentable

But I like Tori yet, because she actually can reduce the waste of time to corrupt a partner. She's hot, she's very flirtatious, she's confidant. She's literally better than alcohol to Steph. She's a mirror what guide Steph and the MC, making them understand their own feelings.
But ok, Tori turns MC less important in the plot.

The real problem here is the scene what Steph ends being fucked by Jason. I believe that It compromise the relationship. It could be a rational plot for a cheating path, but not for a cuckold. It makes me think that steph was a bitch, If she was my partner, our relationship was broked there. On other hand I see the scene with that guy of the bar (missing character's name) as sharing. I see the scene with Jason as cheating. But honestly I don't see a genuine cuckolding route here.

Cuckold is a third way, sharing in the beginning, like in the bar when the MC was in the control over his wife flirt and even sex, but looks like cheating because it's necessary a few elements of humiliation and submission. The problem was the MC watching with clothes, instead of enjoy the scene where steph was looking extremely satisfied to please a well-endowed friend

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Guys, we definitely play on the same team here. I agree with most thoughts what you wrote.
My single disagreement is that I like Tori and even her role in the game. But I understand Grump Old Aussi feelings cause i had this feeling when started to play VN's, I mean: in the real life, swing/sharing/cuckolding ARE both Very different from VN's, I fight against my dates's jealously/pudor to convince they to try these fetishes. In the end, they loved, but was never a easy, neither quick. I'm trying to say: I never needed a Tori to convince my dates, actually I loved the slow arc of corruption since the encouragement to the day what they did. It also improve my sinergy and the respect of girls for me, after all they was trying fine experiences thanks to me. Who lives It in real life, in a long-term relationship, knows that ntr VN's plot kill every relationship quickly. It's insustentable

But I like Tori yet, because she actually can reduce the waste of time to corrupt a partner. She's hot, she's very flirtatious, she's confidant. She's literally better than alcohol to Steph. She's a mirror what guide Steph and the MC, making them understand their own feelings.
But ok, Tori turns MC less important in the plot.

The real problem here is the scene what Steph ends being fucked by Jason. I believe that It compromise the relationship. It could be a rational plot for a cheating path, but not for a cuckold. It makes me think that steph was a bitch, If she was my partner, our relationship was broked there. On other hand I see the scene with that guy of the bar (missing character's name) as sharing. I see the scene with Jason as cheating. But honestly I don't see a genuine cuckolding route here.

Cuckold is a third way, sharing in the beginning, like in the bar when the MC was in the control over his wife flirt and even sex, but looks like cheating because it's necessary a few elements of humiliation and submission, specially a good sex-rating difference between the bull and mc. The problem was the MC watching with clothes, instead of enjoy the scene where steph was looking extremely satisfied to please a well-endowed friend

You are right it isn't sustainable.

You liking Tori is no drama. I have a different point of view about Tori and that's okay that we disagree on that. Tori does make MC less important and that's a problem for me because I don't want to be just a spectator. Even worse she is preparing MC to not be apart of Steph's regular sex life, that is a huge red flag for any relationship and for the player as we have no control over events or will even be apart of them. Its just bizarre to me to do that in a VN.

The Steph Jason scene was very disrespectful to MC and Tori. That scene happens because Steph wants to go after what is Tori with no regard for her husband, the whole premise is just wrong and its not how cuckolding works nor swinging works. That may change when they finish the scene, we will have to see what happens.

 

[cdvz23]

Damn, I was reading the "j" in the thread title as "i", the last version I downloaded, thinking nice, I'm up to date. Then I looked closer.