VN Ren'Py Abandoned Another Man's Wife [v1.092] [Too Perilous]

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

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In response to this statement:
You said in one of your posts we would have choices to forgive or not forgive Steph and others. If you don't forgive Steph shouldn't there be a divorce Steph's ass ending? It seems like you are going to force MC to stay married to a woman he can't forgive if the player chooses those options or has that all changed?


tooperilous.media [developer] 12 hours ago
That scenario doesn't make sense to me for a couple of reasons.

1. The statement I made said you could decide to not forgive "people" and was not specific to Steph nor was it intended to include Steph because:

2. The MC loves his wife unconditionally and pledges at the outset not to let the experience ruin their marriage. He says both of those things several times.

You play the game as the MC providing input on some of his choices, but the MC is not you. I can't say that I have the talent to write a game where the MC becomes the player. You can do that RP'ing in an MMORPG where you have complete control over your avatar, but the MC is not intended to be an avatar. That makes me think it would be really interesting to see an MMORPG crossed with an AVN. Now I'm going to waste a lot of time today imagining what that could look like.
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A wife with no accountability and a husband that blindly excuses everything she does under the guise of unconditional love. What could possibly go wrong...
This VN might end up like TACOS yet.

You play the game as the MC providing input on some of his choices, but the MC is not you.

No filter, immediately the first thing my brain jumps to when I read this is how passionate NTR fans will mock those that want more amicable relationships as "LOL! STOP SELF-INSERTING".

He lost me at the rpg comparison. If anything, I treat [my] characters in an MMORPG less as myself than I do a VN. Ala "this is my gnome mage, he's good with magic, but pretty squishy"/"This is my orc warrior, his super hard but suceptible to cc".

In VNs, the actual gameplay itself is fairly limited, so all we have left is making decisions, and watching the scenery change based on those decisions. I'd say that much closer resembles a personality than an enumerated list of attributes like str/dex/agi/int/per/hp/man.

Long story short, to me this just adds another log to the fire of my hunch of the dev being a huge ntr fan. Appreciate you relaying that exchange though.

 

[matthww]

Also appreciate the post.

I'm not the first one here to say this, so I'm paraphrasing someone here (dont remember who)..... It seems like there are very few devs that actually come from a background of cuckolding interest. The vast majority either come from the corruption, cheating, or "ntr betrayal" type fetishes, and their brand of cuckolding is molded accordingly.

Their interests don't come from a "watching your wife/gf" perspective, their interests come from a "experience the bully corrupt the woman" or similar, and the scenes are written in that vein.

Your post was perfect. I feel the same about Devs and even the porn content producers.

 

[matthww]

Great post and I really appreciate you being so open with your feelings. Is this game swinging or cuckolding? Well that is a very good question. The easy answer is, on High Confidence it is swinging, on low confidence it is cuckolding, but certainly doesn't look like that at the moment. So we will see what happens there. I'm a bit mystified by the dev saying he wrote the ending five months ago while telling us the endings had changed a while back so its not clear. The game is advertised as swinging but we aren't seeing it.


For my wife and I sharing is about us. Its never about the 'bull', he or she is a means to an end. I'm certainly not a sit around in my clothes sort of guy either. Well at the start for a while but not for long. I'm there in the action with my wife and our attention is on each other. That is our ideal experience and it does enhance our sexuality as a couple for months after. In saying that other couples do it in other ways. I'm always asking questions of others in the various lifestyles. Every couple has their own thing and different guys have different kinks. I am often at a loss to understand why some of these guys have the kink they do. There is a whole spectrum of ways couples go about sharing and the kinks guy have. Sadly, porn, VNs, etc tend to have a certain stereotype which alludes to very few of us in these lifestyles. Sure there is a significant percentage of submissive guys. There is also I would say a higher percentage of guys who are not in to humiliation and plenty of them are more than likely to drop you on your ass if you try. We have done the solo thing due to the situation at the time, but my wife is not a fan, as for us, it is about us as a couple.


Oh yeah, I feel the same, it is my largest concern, but my wife never makes me feel like nothing. She spoils me rotten. Rules tend to change over time, but there needs to be rules or boundaries and those should be continually talked about and made sure that both of you are on the same page. My wife and I have had one bad experience and that was due to a misunderstanding in boundaries and since then we have really picked up our communication.

I agree with you too.
Cuckolding is complex, we can learn about multiple ways to enjoy this lifestyle. But typical "categories" are missed because producers can't understand the fetish from a cuckold pov, yet.

We could start this conversation trying to understand what is universal: inferiority complex (stamina or size); the Idea that cuck usually are smart; the fact that he still wants other girls specially to sharing their; the fact that women are not so obsessed about size as men, most just try cuckolding to pleases their partner at first, despite they can like It (It doesnt mean that women can't cheating); It's so hard to find a decent bull that many couples accept situations that aren't ideal for them.

On the other hand, when I think what is specific, I think exactly about the sex. I'm a bit dominant, despite the fact that I spent a lot of attention to don't neglect my partners. When I started, I literally fucked my ex gf with the bull, like a regular mmf threesome. But she makes me feels 'comfortable', then I started to be romantic with her (kissing her; sucking her while she sitting in my face and the other guy fucked her). For a time, she found a Nice guy, but he was in love with her, then I can't watch they. Hahaha

Situations are what make the correct way to explore the lifestyle. I only hate cheating. The Idea of being simped.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

No filter, immediately the first thing my brain jumps to when I read this is how passionate NTR fans will mock those that want more amicable relationships as "LOL! STOP SELF-INSERTING".

He lost me at the rpg comparison. If anything, I treat [my] characters in an MMORPG less as myself than I do a VN. Ala "this is my gnome mage, he's good with magic, but pretty squishy"/"This is my orc warrior, his super hard but suceptible to cc".

In VNs, the actual gameplay itself is fairly limited, so all we have left is making decisions, and watching the scenery change based on those decisions. I'd say that much closer resembles a personality than an enumerated list of attributes like str/dex/agi/int/per/hp/man.

Long story short, to me this just adds another log to the fire of my hunch of the dev being a huge ntr fan. Appreciate you relaying that exchange though.

I am unapologetic, I immerse myself in the MC and story, that is why I am here in this forum, I want great naughty/erotic stories I can immerse myself in to. I don't give a shit if people approve of that or not. I'm too grumpy and old to care.

At the start of AMW I feel like I am the MC and in control, well not in control but mostly have control. By the time we get to Tori I no longer feel I have any control. I feel just a spectator and I think that is where they have gone wrong to a large extent. I wasn't happy about the rpg comparison either. It disappointed me, and I tried to relay that in a softer way than I have in the past. I'm trying to extend an olive branch so to speak while being more focused on constructive criticism than just criticism. Otherwise there is little point in engaging with them. I don't expect them to change their decisions for me, but I do hope I can make them ask questions they may not have thought of and go better directions.

I have no problem with their being an NTR path. I may even enjoy it. NTR needs to be clearly stated if that is the case and the choice given to go that path or avoid it.

 

[matthww]

No filter, immediately the first thing my brain jumps to when I read this is how passionate NTR fans will mock those that want more amicable relationships as "LOL! STOP SELF-INSERTING".

He lost me at the rpg comparison. If anything, I treat [my] characters in an MMORPG less as myself than I do a VN. Ala "this is my gnome mage, he's good with magic, but pretty squishy"/"This is my orc warrior, his super hard but suceptible to cc".

In VNs, the actual gameplay itself is fairly limited, so all we have left is making decisions, and watching the scenery change based on those decisions. I'd say that much closer resembles a personality than an enumerated list of attributes like str/dex/agi/int/per/hp/man.

Long story short, to me this just adds another log to the fire of my hunch of the dev being a huge ntr fan. Appreciate you relaying that exchange though.

I am unapologetic, I immerse myself in the MC and story, that is why I am here in this forum, I want great naughty/erotic stories I can immerse myself in to. I don't give a shit if people approve of that or not. I'm too grumpy and old to care.

At the start of AMW I feel like I am the MC and in control, well not in control but mostly have control. By the time we get to Tori I no longer feel I have any control. I feel just a spectator and I think that is where they have gone wrong to a large extent. I wasn't happy about the rpg comparison either. It disappointed me, and I tried to relay that in a softer way than I have in the past. I'm trying to extend an olive branch so to speak while being more focused on constructive criticism than just criticism. Otherwise there is little point in engaging with them. I don't expect them to change their decisions for me, but I do hope I can make them ask questions they may not have thought of and go better directions.

I have no problem with their being an NTR path. I may even enjoy it. NTR needs to be clearly stated if that is the case and the choice given to go that path or avoid it.

Guys, we definitely play on the same team here. I agree with most thoughts what you wrote.
My single disagreement is that I like Tori and even her role in the game. But I understand Grump Old Aussi feelings cause i had this feeling when started to play VN's, I mean: in the real life, swing/sharing/cuckolding ARE both Very different from VN's, I fight against my dates's jealously/pudor to convince they to try these fetishes. In the end, they loved, but was never a easy, neither quick. I'm trying to say: I never needed a Tori to convince my dates, actually I loved the slow arc of corruption since the encouragement until the day what they accept. It also improve my sinergy and the respect of girls for me, after all they was trying fine experiences thanks to me. Who lives It in real life, in a long-term relationship, knows that ntr VN's plot kill every relationship quickly. It's not sustentable

But I like Tori yet, because she actually can reduce the waste of time to corrupt a partner. She's hot, she's very flirtatious, she's confidant. She's literally better than alcohol to Steph. She's a mirror what guide Steph and the MC, making them understand their own feelings.
But ok, Tori turns MC less important in the plot.

The real problem here is the scene what Steph ends being fucked by Jason. I believe that It compromise the relationship. It could be a rational plot for a cheating path, but not for a cuckold. It makes me think that steph was a bitch, If she was my partner, our relationship was broked there. On other hand I see the scene with that guy of the bar (missing character's name) as sharing. I see the scene with Jason as cheating. But honestly I don't see a genuine cuckolding route here.

Cuckold is a third way, sharing in the beginning, like in the bar when the MC was in the control over his wife flirt and even sex, but looks like cheating because it's necessary a few elements of humiliation and submission. The problem was the MC watching with clothes, instead of enjoy the scene where steph was looking extremely satisfied to please a well-endowed friend

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Guys, we definitely play on the same team here. I agree with most thoughts what you wrote.
My single disagreement is that I like Tori and even her role in the game. But I understand Grump Old Aussi feelings cause i had this feeling when started to play VN's, I mean: in the real life, swing/sharing/cuckolding ARE both Very different from VN's, I fight against my dates's jealously/pudor to convince they to try these fetishes. In the end, they loved, but was never a easy, neither quick. I'm trying to say: I never needed a Tori to convince my dates, actually I loved the slow arc of corruption since the encouragement to the day what they did. It also improve my sinergy and the respect of girls for me, after all they was trying fine experiences thanks to me. Who lives It in real life, in a long-term relationship, knows that ntr VN's plot kill every relationship quickly. It's insustentable

But I like Tori yet, because she actually can reduce the waste of time to corrupt a partner. She's hot, she's very flirtatious, she's confidant. She's literally better than alcohol to Steph. She's a mirror what guide Steph and the MC, making them understand their own feelings.
But ok, Tori turns MC less important in the plot.

The real problem here is the scene what Steph ends being fucked by Jason. I believe that It compromise the relationship. It could be a rational plot for a cheating path, but not for a cuckold. It makes me think that steph was a bitch, If she was my partner, our relationship was broked there. On other hand I see the scene with that guy of the bar (missing character's name) as sharing. I see the scene with Jason as cheating. But honestly I don't see a genuine cuckolding route here.

Cuckold is a third way, sharing in the beginning, like in the bar when the MC was in the control over his wife flirt and even sex, but looks like cheating because it's necessary a few elements of humiliation and submission, specially a good sex-rating difference between the bull and mc. The problem was the MC watching with clothes, instead of enjoy the scene where steph was looking extremely satisfied to please a well-endowed friend

You are right it isn't sustainable.

You liking Tori is no drama. I have a different point of view about Tori and that's okay that we disagree on that. Tori does make MC less important and that's a problem for me because I don't want to be just a spectator. Even worse she is preparing MC to not be apart of Steph's regular sex life, that is a huge red flag for any relationship and for the player as we have no control over events or will even be apart of them. Its just bizarre to me to do that in a VN.

The Steph Jason scene was very disrespectful to MC and Tori. That scene happens because Steph wants to go after what is Tori with no regard for her husband, the whole premise is just wrong and its not how cuckolding works nor swinging works. That may change when they finish the scene, we will have to see what happens.

 

[cdvz23]

Damn, I was reading the "j" in the thread title as "i", the last version I downloaded, thinking nice, I'm up to date. Then I looked closer.

 

[m4pII]

A wife with no accountability and a husband that blindly excuses everything she does under the guise of unconditional love.

This was clear to me back when they announced that there would only be good endings)
This meant that choices don't really matter and the MC would "be happy" no matter what Steph does.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

This was clear to me back when they announced that there would only be good endings)
This meant that choices don't really matter and the MC would "be happy" no matter what Steph does.

Yeah it is a big problem. I did try and talk about choices and the player being able to make the big decisions but it fell on deaf ears. They are telling a story and we only get to make a few decisions for the MC on the way. Sorry but watching from the sidelines making minor decisions is going to get pretty dull. I want my MC to be in the middle of the story making the tough decisions, not be a bystander who misses half the story. The dev was adamant MC is totally loyal to his Friday night promise no matter what Steph does. Its ridiculous and I said so. I don't expect him to change things just for me, but I hope I at least made him think about things and hopefully make some changes but at this stage it doesn't seem it will happen.

The biggest surprise for me more than Stephs reveal is Tori is supposedly helping Steph with her issues. What Tori is proposing will not help a marriage with problems, it will destroy it, but since the devs are stacking the deck and the MC will be joyous no matter what Steph does or Tori gets her to do, it doesn't matter and makes the story pretty pointless. We already know the ending.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

New response from the devs and hopefully a chance to clarify some things. Of course I responded that I would welcome the opportunity:


I appreciate the compliment and the support for what we are doing. And I don't think you're a pest. I hope I have shown that I welcome thoughtful criticism. Obviously you have more than just a passing interest in what we are doing, so I completely respect that. And to give you an example of how I see this back and forth being productive for me - I have spent A LOT of time in Friday night lately. This discussion has helped me to see that I was much more detailed in what I was doing in the dialogue there than I have been lately. I realize I've been guilty of rushing things in order to get the game finished, and I've been more focused on what we are doing in the renders and animations. So I want to work on that, but it has been great that we get renders in ten minutes or less instead of two hours. 4090's are so choice.

I will say that I continue to struggle to respond to you for reasons that I feel have to do with where we are in updating some of the inconsistencies in the story we talked about when this conversation began and getting out the new material. So here's what I'd like to do as I sincerely want to fully understand your position.

Let me get the next update out, and then I would like to pose some specific questions to you over in that discussion thread about Steph you started ages ago. The questions won't be to challenge your position but to cut through perception and get us looking at the same specifics in the script. Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you would be willing to do that with me.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

New response from the devs and hopefully a chance to clarify some things. Of course I responded that I would welcome the opportunity:


I appreciate the compliment and the support for what we are doing. And I don't think you're a pest. I hope I have shown that I welcome thoughtful criticism. Obviously you have more than just a passing interest in what we are doing, so I completely respect that. And to give you an example of how I see this back and forth being productive for me - I have spent A LOT of time in Friday night lately. This discussion has helped me to see that I was much more detailed in what I was doing in the dialogue there than I have been lately. I realize I've been guilty of rushing things in order to get the game finished, and I've been more focused on what we are doing in the renders and animations. So I want to work on that, but it has been great that we get renders in ten minutes or less instead of two hours. 4090's are so choice.

I will say that I continue to struggle to respond to you for reasons that I feel have to do with where we are in updating some of the inconsistencies in the story we talked about when this conversation began and getting out the new material. So here's what I'd like to do as I sincerely want to fully understand your position.

Let me get the next update out, and then I would like to pose some specific questions to you over in that discussion thread about Steph you started ages ago. The questions won't be to challenge your position but to cut through perception and get us looking at the same specifics in the script. Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you would be willing to do that with me.

That’s pretty cool of them to do that for you, Im wondering when he said he’s rushing to get this game finished, did he mean it’s almost over or did he mean the update finished. Cause I know they want to do another game where Tori is the star or the female protagonist too

 

[blkcrow820]

New response from the devs and hopefully a chance to clarify some things. Of course I responded that I would welcome the opportunity:


I appreciate the compliment and the support for what we are doing. And I don't think you're a pest. I hope I have shown that I welcome thoughtful criticism. Obviously you have more than just a passing interest in what we are doing, so I completely respect that. And to give you an example of how I see this back and forth being productive for me - I have spent A LOT of time in Friday night lately. This discussion has helped me to see that I was much more detailed in what I was doing in the dialogue there than I have been lately. I realize I've been guilty of rushing things in order to get the game finished, and I've been more focused on what we are doing in the renders and animations. So I want to work on that, but it has been great that we get renders in ten minutes or less instead of two hours. 4090's are so choice.

I will say that I continue to struggle to respond to you for reasons that I feel have to do with where we are in updating some of the inconsistencies in the story we talked about when this conversation began and getting out the new material. So here's what I'd like to do as I sincerely want to fully understand your position.

Let me get the next update out, and then I would like to pose some specific questions to you over in that discussion thread about Steph you started ages ago. The questions won't be to challenge your position but to cut through perception and get us looking at the same specifics in the script. Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you would be willing to do that with me.

Is this discussion over on Steam?

 

[m4pII]

Yeah it is a big problem. I did try and talk about choices and the player being able to make the big decisions but it fell on deaf ears. They are telling a story and we only get to make a few decisions for the MC on the way. Sorry but watching from the sidelines making minor decisions is going to get pretty dull. I want my MC to be in the middle of the story making the tough decisions, not be a bystander who misses half the story. The dev was adamant MC is totally loyal to his Friday night promise no matter what Steph does. Its ridiculous and I said so. I don't expect him to change things just for me, but I hope I at least made him think about things and hopefully make some changes but at this stage it doesn't seem it will happen.

The biggest surprise for me more than Stephs reveal is Tori is supposedly helping Steph with her issues. What Tori is proposing will not help a marriage with problems, it will destroy it, but since the devs are stacking the deck and the MC will be joyous no matter what Steph does or Tori gets her to do, it doesn't matter and makes the story pretty pointless. We already know the ending.

After the changes I mentioned, I simply lowered my expectations for the game.

At first, I really thought it was going to be a choice and consequence-oriented story, but I think that was a misleading impression and their plan from the beginning was for the MC to "be happy" no matter what.

But it seems that at some point, they realized that Steph didn’t look very attractive on most routes and began to change/cut content where she behaved especially badly. The same goes for Tori and Jason, who before the changes looked like ordinary scammers.
This was done to give the MC just the slightest bit of motivation to support Steph in the new lifestyle/support her when she reveals her "huge secret" to him.
Also, if I’m not mistaken, another game awaits us with Tori as the main character. Therefore, we must love her.

 

[m4pII]

New response from the devs and hopefully a chance to clarify some things. Of course I responded that I would welcome the opportunity:


I appreciate the compliment and the support for what we are doing. And I don't think you're a pest. I hope I have shown that I welcome thoughtful criticism. Obviously you have more than just a passing interest in what we are doing, so I completely respect that. And to give you an example of how I see this back and forth being productive for me - I have spent A LOT of time in Friday night lately. This discussion has helped me to see that I was much more detailed in what I was doing in the dialogue there than I have been lately. I realize I've been guilty of rushing things in order to get the game finished, and I've been more focused on what we are doing in the renders and animations. So I want to work on that, but it has been great that we get renders in ten minutes or less instead of two hours. 4090's are so choice.

I will say that I continue to struggle to respond to you for reasons that I feel have to do with where we are in updating some of the inconsistencies in the story we talked about when this conversation began and getting out the new material. So here's what I'd like to do as I sincerely want to fully understand your position.

Let me get the next update out, and then I would like to pose some specific questions to you over in that discussion thread about Steph you started ages ago. The questions won't be to challenge your position but to cut through perception and get us looking at the same specifics in the script. Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you would be willing to do that with me.

the usual answer from an experienced politician)
"we are very sorry that you did not like it, but we hope that you will stay with us because we are sure that everything will change for the better"

 

[asahibito]

My main issue is the inconsistency in character of the MC. While he is the meeker of the two, before Sat, there were choices to control the direction of events to the point of being convoluted. Once Sat hits, especially when Steph got a taste, choices don’t seem to matter as much, especially on the non-High confidence routes. The MC just seems for the ride with Steph firmly in the drivers seat. There is not much of the good banter and discussion like those of Fri. It seems like 2 different games at times. Perhaps the developer realized he cannot sustain the level of writing and branching of Fri given the price point of the game and needed to move things along more quickly.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

After the changes I mentioned, I simply lowered my expectations for the game.

At first, I really thought it was going to be a choice and consequence-oriented story, but I think that was a misleading impression and their plan from the beginning was for the MC to "be happy" no matter what.

But it seems that at some point, they realized that Steph didn’t look very attractive on most routes and began to change/cut content where she behaved especially badly. The same goes for Tori and Jason, who before the changes looked like ordinary scammers.
This was done to give the MC just the slightest bit of motivation to support Steph in the new lifestyle/support her when she reveals her "huge secret" to him.
Also, if I’m not mistaken, another game awaits us with Tori as the main character. Therefore, we must love her.

Great post. The next game from what I understand is focused on Tori and Steph. Considering they needed to add the alternative paths for the amount of players who dislike Tori, it doesn't bode well, but if it has lots of sex scenes there will be buyers.

the usual answer from an experienced politician)
"we are very sorry that you did not like it, but we hope that you will stay with us because we are sure that everything will change for the better"

I know mate, I have been burned before so I'll be on guard. I don't think they are bad guys I just don't think they have executed things well from Saturday morning on. Friday night proves he can write as I said to him (which was the compliment the dev refers too). He mentions the dialogue and that's true, but not just the dialogue, but also keeping players in the drivers seat making the decisions. It doesn't feel like that now and going forward. I feel like the player is trying to wrestle the story back from Steph and Tori with his hands tied.

My main issue is the inconsistency in character of the MC. While he is the meeker of the two, before Sat, there were choices to control the direction of events to the point of being convoluted. Once Sat hits, especially when Steph got a taste, choices don’t seem to matter as much, especially on the non-High confidence routes. The MC just seems for the ride with Steph firmly in the drivers seat. There is not much of the good banter and discussion like those of Fri. It seems like 2 different games at times. Perhaps the developer realized he cannot sustain the level of writing and branching of Fri given the price point of the game and needed to move things along more quickly.

Another great post. I tried to warn them about that. Making players just spectators making minor decisions v active players making the big decisions is important. Since Tori wants to make MC a minor character then the players look to be just a spectator making minor decisions. It has to be a damn interesting story to keep my attention. If Steph/Tori/Jason are off doing things without MC then it will have to be some mechanism to tell MC/player what happened. That doesn't do it for me. If my character is not the story and making the big decisions the VN goes in to the recycle bin unless the story is something special. I'll be pushing that point again. Whether I have any success who knows.

 

[asahibito]

Great post. The next game from what I understand is focused on Tori and Steph. Considering they needed to add the alternative paths for the amount of players who dislike Tori, it doesn't bode well, but if it has lots of sex scenes there will be buyers.


I know mate, I have been burned before so I'll be on guard. I don't think they are bad guys I just don't think they have executed things well from Saturday morning on. Friday night proves he can write as I said to him (which was the compliment the dev refers too). He mentions the dialogue and that's true, but not just the dialogue, but also keeping players in the drivers seat making the decisions. It doesn't feel like that now and going forward. I feel like the player is trying to wrestle the story back from Steph and Tori with his hands tied.


Another great post. I tried to warn them about that. Making players just spectators making minor decisions v active players making the big decisions is important. Since Tori wants to make MC a minor character then the players look to be just a spectator making minor decisions. It has to be a damn interesting story to keep my attention. If Steph/Tori/Jason are off doing things without MC then it will have to be some mechanism to tell MC/player what happened. That doesn't do it for me. If my character is not the story and making the big decisions the VN goes in to the recycle bin unless the story is something special. I'll be pushing that point again. Whether I have any success who knows.

It also flies into the face of what the game tells you to do in the beginning - Make confidence choices. Only to have that be less meaningful and more or less abandoned by the time of the Tori/Jason segment. Also, why have us name the character and give pet names for each other if we are not meant assume the role of the MC. Together with the choice issue might as well make it a kinetic novel with set characters and 3 story variations. Just one menu option at the start of the game to select Low, Med or High confidence route.

Was hoping devs would learn the lessons from TAC. Heck TACOS, while an improvement, did not really learn the lessons from TAC.

Rather than going into the recycle bin, I have half a mind, given the relatively short length of the game, to reorganize and remaster the script to make the choices distinct and meaningful and preserving the original vision of 3 confidence routes. At least this way it can be used as a learning tool for game and story flow.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

It also flies into the face of what the game tells you to do in the beginning - Make confidence choices. Only to have that be less meaningful and more or less abandoned by the time of the Tori/Jason segment. Also, why have us name the character and give pet names for each other if we are not meant assume the role of the MC. Together with the choice issue might as well make it a kinetic novel with set characters and 3 story variations. Just one menu option at the start of the game to select Low, Med or High confidence route.

Was hoping devs would learn the lessons from TAC. Heck TACOS, while an improvement, did not really learn the lessons from TAC.

Rather than going into the recycle bin, I have half a mind, given the relatively short length of the game, to reorganize and remaster the script to make the choices distinct and meaningful and preserving the original vision of 3 confidence routes. At least this way it can be used as a learning tool for game and story flow.

Hopefully we can get some clarity on the way the game is going to go. Its a good analogy, a kinetic novel. I agree on the menu option, it would make is simpler. The pet names aren't used much either.

TACOS was the first example that came to mind and it is well known, so I used it. Someone has been reading Steam forums. Your user name wouldn't be a bit earthy by any chance?

I wouldn't throw this game in the recycle bin, it has redeeming features to learn from. I was just making a general comment about VNs that go down the kinetic route with meaningless choices and poor stories. I've sent a few in to the recycle bin. I'm waiting to see post Steph's secret who I want to add to my kick out of MC's life list . There is a lot to reveal, the receipt, phone call, Christmas party, Chuck, etc. So far Suzy, Jason, Tori are on my hit list before I even start. I see a big mod coming on . Got to get value out of the game with a kick-ass-out-of-MC's-life satisfaction mod

 

[asahibito]

Hopefully we can get some clarity on the way the game is going to go. Its a good analogy, a kinetic novel. I agree on the menu option, it would make is simpler. The pet names aren't used much either.

TACOS was the first example that came to mind and it is well known, so I used it. Someone has been reading Steam forums. Your user name wouldn't be a bit earthy by any chance?

I wouldn't throw this game in the recycle bin, it has redeeming features to learn from. I was just making a general comment about VNs that go down the kinetic route with meaningless choices and poor stories. I've sent a few in to the recycle bin. I'm waiting to see post Steph's secret who I want to add to my kick out of MC's life list . There is a lot to reveal, the receipt, phone call, Christmas party, Chuck, etc. So far Suzy, Jason, Tori are on my hit list before I even start. I see a big mod coming on . Got to get value out of the game with a kick-ass-out-of-MC's-life satisfaction mod

Actually no, I have not read the Steam forums lately... *runs off to check*
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Haha, thanks for bringing up the alternate end mod.

I brought up TAC/OS since as you mentioned it the most well known example and also because I made the gallery for it and had to combed through the script and see that lost of player control.

I think the devs must surely be aware of this site and the more popular games and discussion surrounding them.

Well, we will see what this week's (or is it the next?) AMW update brings.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Actually no, I have not read the Steam forums lately... *runs off to check*
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Haha, thanks for bringing up the alternate end mod.

I brought up TAC/OS since as you mentioned it the most well known example and also because I made the gallery for it and had to combed through the script and see that lost of player control.

I think the devs must surely be aware of this site and the more popular games and discussion surrounding them.

Well, we will see what this week's (or is it the next?) AMW update brings.

I love that mod . I think it doesn't hurt to remind them people like the MC but not how he is treated at times. Its not all about Steph.

TAC/OS has become a bit of a beacon of how things can go wrong with your fan base if you make the wife too toxic. There is a lesson there. Miracom was gracious enough to let me know I'm getting my Kelsey ending so its bitter-sweet.

I did make mention in a few of the posts to check out the discussions here and I drop the odd comment to remind them there is a group of guys following the game. I'm sure they drop in on occasion as they mentioned the phone call discussion that time. So I'm careful to only reference comments where I know the consensus here is the same so if/when they do pop in they can check to see others are saying the same thing and maybe take notice.

The dev said the Tori visit second half is dropping next week I think but don't quote me on that. I'm getting old, the memory is going . I was at a birthday celebration last night, I was having trouble hearing people talk over the background noise. Even my ears are getting old!