Are you tired of incest porn/games?

[User_51567]

Well, you countered my thesis that incest doesn't sell anymore so I probably misjudged you. Incest is still at the top (but even there many devs has droped their places on a toplist due to the new rules) but everywhere else it's definitely doing pretty terrible. So my point still stands - incest doesn't sell well anymore if you're a new dev. Combining it with patreon's actions it's clear that market will switch. It's not even a prediction anymore as whole data supports it

It's not that Incest doesn't sell anymore.

It's more that most of the people caught on that most of the new Devs who start a Incest game are only in it for the money or are complete idiots.

I mean... There are so many Devs out here and on Patreon who think they can make a living based on 1 idea.
They don't know that a game a takes 99999 more ideas.

They think that when they launch a Demo version that they will make hundreds or thousands of dollars within weeks and don't have a "normal" income or savings to keep their heads above water for the first months.
And because most of the new ones don't have any savings or income they are not able to invest in better equipment and art so everything is 100% basic and looks like every other demo.
I'm not saying that it's impossible to do it without savings or solid income, but it makes everything much, much easier.

And then of course there are the devs who think that a game only full of sex scenes make a game, but have 0 talent in writing a solid story.

So again... I really don't think that people are done with incest themed games.
I think that people are done with the 999 demo's of incest games who never progress after the first update.

I do agree with you that Patreon's actions dealt a huge blow to the Incest Developing community, and much devs don't think it's worth the effort anymore.
But there are still a lot of games that are doing good/great with incest and prove that it's possible.

 

[Ignazzio]

Deny it all you want, you're making a prediction based on your idea that new creators struggling on Patreon is, somehow, a localized phenomenon. Until you manage to prove that, your speculations are entirely baseless.

I think I already did. Incest is popular and will remain as such but incest games will drop in number as they did already and market will balance itself as overused theme doesn't work anymore. To some degree everything is a prediction but I think all data you didn't responded to supports my opinion enough to make it something more than baseless. Especially since it works even on mainstream AAA market and is a known mechanism. If I didn't convince you I doubt there's a point in arguing.

It's not that Incest doesn't sell anymore.

It's more that most of the people caught on that most of the new Devs who start a Incest game are only in it for the money or are complete idiots.

I mean... There are so many Devs out here and on Patreon who think they can make a living based on 1 idea.
They don't know that a game a takes 99999 more ideas.

They think that when they launch a Demo version that they will make hundreds or thousands of dollars within weeks and don't have a "normal" income or savings to keep their heads above water for the first months.
And because most of the new ones don't have any savings or income they are not able to invest in better equipment and art so everything is 100% basic and looks like every other demo.
I'm not saying that it's impossible to do it without savings or solid income, but it makes everything much, much easier.

And then of course there are the devs who think that a game only full of sex scenes make a game, but have 0 talent in writing a solid story.

So again... I really don't think that people are done with incest themed games.
I think that people are done with the 999 demo's of incest games who never progress after the first update.

I do agree with you that Patreon's actions dealt a huge blow to the Incest Developing community, and much devs don't think it's worth the effort anymore.
But there are still a lot of games that are doing good/great with incest and prove that it's possible.

Ofc there are plenty of other issues with Patreon games. Incest fans will like it regardless of its amount. But a known fact is that there is always a limited number of fans of anything. Low quality of these games makes them more and more annoying for other people and fans can't support it without dropping support for older devs. There are plenty of good incest games and there will be plenty more of them - but all these games are made by a well known devs. You can look even a year backwards and almost no one new achieved anything meaningfull while other themes - even vanilla, are able to reach top tiers. You're right that people overused it as an easy tool to make money, but now when extreme fetish became more common than vanilla, even vanilla is more original and has it easier to gather some funds. Patreon is such a crappy type of development that everyone is copying everyone on a monthly basis.

 

[User_51567]

I think I already did. Incest is popular and will remain as such but incest games will drop in number as they did already and market will balance itself as overused theme doesn't work anymore. To some degree everything is a prediction but I think all data you didn't responded to supports my opinion enough to make it something more than baseless. Especially since it works even on mainstream AAA market and is a known mechanism. If I didn't convince you I doubt there's a point in arguing.

Ofc there are plenty of other issues with Patreon games. Incest fans will like it regardless of its amount. But a known fact is that there is always a limited number of fans of anything. Low quality of these games makes them more and more annoying for other people and fans can't support it without dropping support for older devs. There are plenty of good incest games and there will be plenty more of them - but all these games are made by a well known devs. You can look even a year backwards and almost no one new achieved anything meaningfull while other themes - even vanilla, are able to reach top tiers. You're right that people overused it as an easy tool to make money, but now when extreme fetish became more common than vanilla, even vanilla is more original and has it easier to gather some funds. Patreon is such a crappy type of development that everyone is copying everyone on a monthly basis.

I agree completely..
Patreon started as an amazing platform and helped the 18+ games to reach a new height.
But as for now Patreon is like a sickness growing worse and worse every month, and it won't stop until it's been cut out and cured and every new thing has to follow a strict plan to make sure it stays healthy.

I know that something is in the works that in time will replace patreon, but that is still in development and looks like that is going to take a couple more months.

Untill then i'm afraid that this is getting worse every month until that replacement is done.

As for Naturel games becoming more Populair again then Incest games, i agree also.
It's easier to create a solid naturel story then a Fetish themed one, especially because the creativity of 99% of the people on this forum ends at... "This is my mother, i want to have sex with her" and could not create a story if their life depends on it.

Me personal.
I like a good story.... Don't care if its naturel themed or Fetish themed(Expect for NTR, no NTR for me)
Don't care if it's a Renpy game or RPG maker game, don't care if i have to play 20 hours for a single topless scene.
As long as it has a solid story, i will play the crap out of it.

For me the biggest reason why the quality of the games is going down every month is because the Horny horde of Idiots.
The people who only come to this(and other)site for a game to see the nudies to get a quick fix.
The people who will riot if they have to play for 5 minutes without seeing a nudie.
Those people are the main reason why new devs who have the ability to write and code won't develop a good game simply because they are scared for missing money.

 

[Ignazzio]

I agree completely..
Patreon started as an amazing platform and helped the 18+ games to reach a new height.
But as for now Patreon is like a sickness growing worse and worse every month, and it won't stop until it's been cut out and cured and every new thing has to follow a strict plan to make sure it stays healthy.

I know that something is in the works that in time will replace patreon, but that is still in development and looks like that is going to take a couple more months.

Untill then i'm afraid that this is getting worse every month until that replacement is done.

As for Naturel games becoming more Populair again then Incest games, i agree also.
It's easier to create a solid naturel story then a Fetish themed one, especially because the creativity of 99% of the people on this forum ends at... "This is my mother, i want to have sex with her" and could not create a story if their life depends on it.

Me personal.
I like a good story.... Don't care if its naturel themed or Fetish themed(Expect for NTR, no NTR for me)
Don't care if it's a Renpy game or RPG maker game, don't care if i have to play 20 hours for a single topless scene.
As long as it has a solid story, i will play the crap out of it.

For me the biggest reason why the quality of the games is going down every month is because the Horny horde of Idiots.
The people who only come to this(and other)site for a game to see the nudies to get a quick fix.
The people who will riot if they have to play for 5 minutes without seeing a nudie.
Those people are the main reason why new devs who have the ability to write and code won't develop a good game simply because they are scared for missing money.

That would be amazing to have a normal plaform where games are released once they're done and they're not restricted by morality laws of westerners. Only then we could grow as a market. I doubt that's possible for a long time but hope is there. Before Patreon we had nothing for years so it's also possible that we'll be back to such a state rather than having a new platform. Sometimes I feel like it would be better for us as games back then were at least finished and original.

 

[Blazblue]

I think I already did. Incest is popular and will remain as such but incest games will drop in number as they did already and market will balance itself as overused theme doesn't work anymore. To some degree everything is a prediction but I think all data you didn't responded to supports my opinion enough to make it something more than baseless. Especially since it works even on mainstream AAA market and is a known mechanism. If I didn't convince you I doubt there's a point in arguing.

What data? The top incest games aren't dropping in numbers at all. They're not only steadily gaining patrons, they are doing so at a faster rate than any other popular games on top and these have been around longer.

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Your predictions remain baseless.

 

[Lykanz]

Not really tired, as it's one of the fetishes I like the most.

But I've been noticing that there haven't been anything new on that lately... I mean, it's a highly sought after fetish and it's a sure way to make quick, easy money. So most devs use it (without even knowing the basics on the fetish) and use the easy way (fresh out of 18 boy starts lusting after his family, good thing he has a magic dick that makes every woman addicted to it).

There's no build up, no conflict, no taboo besides "I'm your X, we shouldn't do this".

 

[User_51567]

That would be amazing to have a normal plaform where games are released once they're done and they're not restricted by morality laws of westerners. Only then we could grow as a market. I doubt that's possible for a long time but hope is there. Before Patreon we had nothing for years so it's also possible that we'll be back to such a state rather than having a new platform. Sometimes I feel like it would be better for us as games back then were at least finished and original.

I agree(again).
But i don't want to use Patreon's crackdown for the last ¾ year the reason for the troubles.
There are plenty of games that are stilll developing the same game but using other methods.
(Personal site, patches, pulling the game off patreon).(Dreams of Desire, Dating my Daughter, Summertime Saga, Man of the House, The twist, my new life and much more)
All of them are still going going strong and the devs are going strong to.

The main reason for that is that (again) most people are just lazy and don't want to put to much time into making an alternative method for their main game.
And there are of course plenty of examples of Developers who just dropped their main game and started creating a new "naturel" game simply because (again) they were to lazy to think/create something else. Biggest example is the biggest game on this website Big Brother.... Dropped the game, now losing money faster then any one else.

I still believe that if a couple of the bigger devs had put their heads/funds together a half year ago there would already be a alternative to patreon. And they would have made back their money already at this point.
(I know that a couple smaller devs on patreon tried create something but they had complete unrealistic rates)\

Patreon started this crap, but the Devs have no one to blame but themselfs at this stage.

 

[Illmind]

All that matters for me is good quality renders/animations and a good story with great characters and a well done game mechanism. Incest or not doesn't really matter.

 

[X0R]

tired ? not really. as long we get content similar to DoD, StS etc
i do however wish if I-content is everyone's go to, then atleast add some variety to the concept.
I can make a Bingo card now with all these games.
- Hot Mom but missing/clueless dad
- young inexperienced sister
- older sister who doesn't like you
- nymph aunt (sometimes with Cousins)
- MC McBigDick

BINGO !!!!

jokes aside, what I'm saying is i-content is by far the most popular concept that draws so many to "Patreon" games, so i don't complaint about the devs who wanna add this in their games, but i would suggest them to shake up some things here and there (Deprived Awakening is a really good example for this).

also, NTR (stop, stop, its not what you think it is), maybe use it as a game mechanic ?
say you, the MC, have to choose b/w different relationships, then maybe add a dynamic dialogue of sorts where the girl is NOT exclusive for you, she's an adult, maybe she had a few relationships in the past, or maybe she finds someone else if you blow her off a couple of times or be rude to her the same. have a villain of sorts in your game, heck. . . why let the NTR part be just some other guy ? maybe its a Woman (also the villain) who's coming after you or some one you love ?just some thoughts. take it as you will.

 

[Ignazzio]

What data? The top incest games aren't dropping in numbers at all. They're not only steadily gaining patrons, they are doing so at a faster rate than any other popular games on top and these have been around longer.

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Your predictions remain baseless.

You feel terribly emotional about that. I talked about incest games in general not about toplist. On toplist there is a visible drop of devs like Dots or DS that were strucked by rules. You're really attached to this top creators list. I'm following most devs on this site on Patreon and it's impossible to not see this simple fact that people who are looking for original content/pledges are dropping incest. Ofc these old devs will remain popular. SS might be a wrong example as even tho it has incest it's not its theme. You didn't say nothing about what I'm saying but you're picking this top list all the time. Like 90% of our games is incest based but in top 50 there is like 10 of them only (and some aren't really incest themed). I won't convince you. Let's agree to disagree

 

[Savor]

@bugmenot you're right in most of your statements nothing against that but about that ntr thing i dont think this would get much attraction. probably most of the people playing that games for the fiction not the reality. games are meant to be different as the reality. but you're pretty right with everything other you got a bingo. congratulations.

 

[Blazblue]

You feel terribly emotional about that. I talked about incest games in general not about toplist. On toplist there is a visible drop of devs like Dots or DS that were strucked by rules. You're really attached to this top creators list. I'm following most devs on this site on Patreon and it's impossible to not see this simple fact that people who are looking for original content/pledges are dropping incest. Ofc these old devs will remain popular. SS might be a wrong example as even tho it has incest it's not its theme. You didn't say nothing about what I'm saying but you're picking this top list all the time. Like 90% of our games is incest based but in top 50 there is like 10 of them only (and some aren't really incest themed). I won't convince you. Let's agree to disagree

Why mention my emotions again? How random.

Also, I'm sorry but you keep mentioning proofs you have yet to provide. Just saying "I follow new creators and I can see the data" doesn't mean anything and brings absolutely no credit to your words.
So, no, you won't be convincing me without anything to base your argument on. That's not how debating works, just so you know.

 

[Ignazzio]

Why mention my emotions again? How random.

Also, I'm sorry but you keep mentioning proofs you have yet to provide. Just saying "I follow new creators and I can see the data" doesn't mean anything and brings absolutely no credit to your words.
So, no, you won't be convincing me without anything to base your argument on. That's not how debating works, just so you know.

Well, so be it. As I said before it's pointless to argue.

 

[DownTheDrain]

So, no, you won't be convincing me without anything to base your argument on. That's not how debating works, just so you know.

Worked for Trump...

 

[Blazblue]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Illmind]

tired ? not really. as long we get content similar to DoD, StS etc
i do however wish if I-content is everyone's go to, then atleast add some variety to the concept.
I can make a Bingo card now with all these games.
- Hot Mom but missing/clueless dad
- young inexperienced sister
- older sister who doesn't like you
- nymph aunt (sometimes with Cousins)
- MC McBigDick

BINGO !!!!

jokes aside, what I'm saying is i-content is by far the most popular concept that draws so many to "Patreon" games, so i don't complaint about the devs who wanna add this in their games, but i would suggest them to shake up some things here and there (Deprived Awakening is a really good example for this).

also, NTR (stop, stop, its not what you think it is), maybe use it as a game mechanic ?
say you, the MC, have to choose b/w different relationships, then maybe add a dynamic dialogue of sorts where the girl is NOT exclusive for you, she's an adult, maybe she had a few relationships in the past, or maybe she finds someone else if you blow her off a couple of times or be rude to her the same. have a villain of sorts in your game, heck. . . why let the NTR part be just some other guy ? maybe its a Woman (also the villain) who's coming after you or some one you love ?just some thoughts. take it as you will.

I would love to see a game like that but most people want a straight to the point game, like they just want to fap and not give a damn about the story,they want a game where they get to fuck all girls available asap and that's what most devs create for fast and easy money.
Speaking about fast money, branching stories and dynamic dialogs take a long time to make and that means no fast money after because that particular category of people won't be interested in suxh games.

 

[Fasder]

So I've been lurking here a bit and I thought I'd give my thoughts on the whole situation.
From what I can see in the thread there's a lot of people who are tried of the same plot lines being used over an over, not incest specifically, I.E. Young dude suddenly realizes that his family members are hot and makes it his life goal to fuck them all.
This was pretty fun for a bit, I remember playing Big Brother when it first came out and despite the horrid writing i enjoyed the game.
But as time went alone I slowly realized there was nothing else to the game, the only goal was to have as much sex as possible, that gets really old really fast, at least to me.

When I first started making my game (around a year ago) I had next to no plot, it was just this dude who wanted to sleep with his sister, just like a lot of the other games out there. The thing though, is that this actually works, but only under certain conditions. Having good art, be it renders or drawn will draw in huge audiences, if you then introduce a lot of story there will be a lot of people who will be upset because they just want to fap and be done with it. These are pretty much the most popular games out there. I like Dreams of Desire because they actually attempted to make a plot and not just a fuck fest, though it seems to focus a lot more on the sex than the story. One of the most successful in balancing this line I think would be Dreaming of Dana, which I like a lot, though I haven't played the full game.
Here is the issue at hand, making a game that you can enjoy from an erotic perspective and also from a story perspective is really tough. I've done my best to make this happen, but inevitably there will be some issues.

One of the things that I have seen around the forum is that there is a great divide between what type of game people like. Usually it's the games that focus on sex that wins the majority, then there's the other half which likes the story based games. I too can enjoy the games that focus on sex, but what I really missed in almost all the popular games was a story, something to look forward to other than "maybe I'll see person x fuck y in the ass today".

So in short, most people like the games with a lot of sex, the games with story are very underrepresented. I just think it's a matter of time before we see a game which combines the two in a truly successful way (I'm trying but I don't think I'll be a $10k dev anytime soon).

Also to the topic at hand, no, I'm not tried of incest, it's a fetish like all the others. Being "tried" of it would be really odd. It's as if someone who likes big boobs would suddenly not like big boobs, it makes no sense to me.

 

[robbinrobbie]

As others have said, I'm not tired of incest, I'm just tired of the SAME plot over and over again. New devs should all read this thread:

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If your game has more than 3 of these tropes, you need to start over or something

 

[SkyRebel]

No baby, no !

 

[angella]

of course not !!