Are you tired of incest porn/games?

[W22N]

So I've been lurking here a bit and I thought I'd give my thoughts on the whole situation.
From what I can see in the thread there's a lot of people who are tried of the same plot lines being used over an over, not incest specifically, I.E. Young dude suddenly realizes that his family members are hot and makes it his life goal to fuck them all.
This was pretty fun for a bit, I remember playing Big Brother when it first came out and despite the horrid writing i enjoyed the game.
But as time went alone I slowly realized there was nothing else to the game, the only goal was to have as much sex as possible, that gets really old really fast, at least to me.

When I first started making my game (around a year ago) I had next to no plot, it was just this dude who wanted to sleep with his sister, just like a lot of the other games out there. The thing though, is that this actually works, but only under certain conditions. Having good art, be it renders or drawn will draw in huge audiences, if you then introduce a lot of story there will be a lot of people who will be upset because they just want to fap and be done with it. These are pretty much the most popular games out there. I like Dreams of Desire because they actually attempted to make a plot and not just a fuck fest, though it seems to focus a lot more on the sex than the story. One of the most successful in balancing this line I think would be Dreaming of Dana, which I like a lot, though I haven't played the full game.
Here is the issue at hand, making a game that you can enjoy from an erotic perspective and also from a story perspective is really tough. I've done my best to make this happen, but inevitably there will be some issues.

One of the things that I have seen around the forum is that there is a great divide between what type of game people like. Usually it's the games that focus on sex that wins the majority, then there's the other half which likes the story based games. I too can enjoy the games that focus on sex, but what I really missed in almost all the popular games was a story, something to look forward to other than "maybe I'll see person x fuck y in the ass today".

So in short, most people like the games with a lot of sex, the games with story are very underrepresented. I just think it's a matter of time before we see a game which combines the two in a truly successful way (I'm trying but I don't think I'll be a $10k dev anytime soon).

Also to the topic at hand, no, I'm not tried of incest, it's a fetish like all the others. Being "tried" of it would be really odd. It's as if someone who likes big boobs would suddenly not like big boobs, it makes no sense to me.

I can't agree with you more, even though i have to say that incest is one of my favourite kinks/fetishes.
I feel like there are a bunch of problems coming together and that kind of makes this atmosphere, of course people have different likes and dislikes, but you have devs trying to cash out with "incest" games with no content whatsoever and the same storyline over and over again even when incest really isn't a "necessity" for their plot, and it could work better without it. This leads to an excess of shitty incest games, and people who are on the fence about it get tired from it and peace off, and it's not that incest games are bad, but there are so many shitty games with our without incest (not to point fingers, and less in an early stage, but try games like after class, no incest whatsoever and it has to be one of the worst projects i've ever seen, basically plot is you're a teacher getting fired so you'll want to fuck every one of your students, awful renders, even worse writing). It's fine that people don't enjoy incest and they should have games that better fit their kinks. However you have the market at work aswell, where you don't have, say, ntr games (or at least big ones) because most people either don't care for it or heavily dislike it (just using it as an example, it could be scat if you don't agree with my ntr view).
Then you have the different opinions on story progression, say that you have an original idea that most people like, some people want sex scenes on the 2nd update, and that usually leads to it being a shitty game again, but if they don't comply they usually don't get the same amount of support. Overall I think it should come down to devs sticking to what they enjoy creating rather than what people want/expect from their games, there will always be someone who likes where you're heading, as well as people who can't stand your game.
Also very off the point, but you also have devs pushing updates every week with good renders and good writing just for fun, they start racking up 10k a month and suddenly updates take 3 months for the same or less content, same or worse render quality. That's why I have issues being a patreon for bigger teams, once they're good off, I fear they'll start to stretch it out to milk what they're doing as long as they can. Would rather see new devs asking for suggestions/constructive criticism/renders rather than wanting to fill their pockets

 

[megaplayboy10k]

Some thoughts on "freshening up" I-games:
1. Genetic Sexual Attraction is a real thing--siblings or parents/children separated for years and reunited as adults often experience real sexual attraction to each other. So one way to make the premise more plausible is to separate the MC from their sibling/parent/family for a period of 10 years or longer.
2. Being stuck in unusually close proximity may foster inappropriate thoughts--maybe the family's funds are limited and bedbugs have infested all but one (or two) bed(s). Maybe there's only one bathroom and limited water, so uncomfortable bathing arrangements have to be made...
3. A significant shift in the power dynamic may upset the established family hierarchy, and in process, may also shift the perceived boundaries of what is and isn't appropriate--the son now has to pay the bills and run the household, etc.
4. Maybe there's a Jocasta complex at work in addition to an Oedipal one(or even a Phaedra complex(stepmom sexual attraction to stepson) or even all of the above!)--the mom becomes more aggressive--e.g., the mother Milfy City and one or two other games (View of Family, IIRC).
5. Childhood experimentation with cousins and siblings is not unheard of, though typically on the younger side of what these games typically portray(early-mid-teens)
6. If you want a humorous premise--the women in the family start out wanting to f the MC, and the MC is shy/reluctant at first.
7. Peek-grope-stalk-blackmail-coerce really needs to go bye-bye for a while. In its place, maybe doing small and big favors for family members, plus increasing conversational and physical intimacy over time, creates a more semi-realistic and plausible path towards the harvesting of forbidden fruit.
8. Another way to go--OVER THE TOP. Why stop at one family? Adoptive Family! Foster Family! Step Family! Mom's bisexual wife! In Laws! Birth mom/family! Secret demon/faerie/angel/goddess family! Clone family! Robot copy of family! Alt universe Mom and family! Family from different timelines and points in time! Grandma/granddaughter/greataunt/grandniece. For humor--in a game world with 20+ women, all of them turn out to be related in some way to the MC--blood, adoption/fostering or marriage.
9. Maybe the corruption/mind control is coming from outside the home--someone is toying with the family's thoughts, feelings and actions, and the MC can either roll with it or find a way to thwart it.
10. Have a storyline with no happy ending or a mixed ending at best--a "happy ending" to an incest story IRL either is that it didn't happen, that the parties weren't too traumatized by it, or they had a fling and moved on. At best you might get "we still have fun once in a while, but I'm happily married now..." Most people don't play fap games that result in CPS hauling away your mom, splitting the siblings up into foster homes and sending the MC to juvie or a psych ward. Or suicide, murder, etc. Downer endings tend to be boner killing and guilt inducing, YMMV.

 

[baka]

its a game, so i dont mind if theres incest, but im quite tired of the generic games with the same old plot and a preteen looking dude fucking mom, sister and granny.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

its a game, so i dont mind if theres incest, but im quite tired of the generic games with the same old plot and a preteen looking dude fucking mom, sister and granny.

Well, at least make him 5 feet tall! I still laugh at the Urban Demons MC who's clearly no more than 10 years old and who has a giant cock and who proceeds to lay waste to all the adult female vaginas in the game world. Pretty sure you can get everyone fully corrupted/seduced within a month or so there. What's he gonna do for an encore?

Edit: Urban Demons MC 10 years later:

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[Malkav]

Incest is like a maid fetish. It is just an excuse to have women in your house.

 

[Ataios]

It depends on the kind of incest:

Mom-daughter: This is my favorite kind of incest porn. Best with a dom daughter bringing her initially reluctant and even prudish mom into bdsm. Even better if the mom didn't have any lesbian experience before. She may be even shocked, that her daughter is a lesbian. But then daughter can find out, how wet mom's cunt is... I like the reversal of authority involved here. The other way round, it's far less appealing, but it can still be ok. As far as the appearance goes the daughter needs to be a grown woman and the mom needs to be visibly older.

Sister-sister: I like all kinds of lesbian porn, so sister-sister is fine too. Though for me the incest component doesn't add any additional spice to the mix. So, while it's still fine for me, it's on the lower range of the lesbian scale, with less thrill than a "seduced by a stranger" scenario.

Mom-son: While I prefer lesbian games over straight ones, this one of the straight settings, I do sometimes play, if done well. Fist of all, the MC must not have any remotely shota like traits. He must be clearly a grown man and should also be taller than his mom. While nerdy hackers may be good protagonists for harem games, they are far less suited for mom-son incest games. If the protagonist should be a hero protecting or saving the mom in pseudo-romantic scenario, I'd make him a burly warrior type. She can than show him his gratitude. If he is a villain, I'd go for a corrupt business man or evil sorcerer. By far the worst mom-son scenario is one, where a virgin son asks mom for sexual advice, after getting ridiculed by a girl.

Brother-sister: In general not my cup of tea. Snow Daze had some brother-sister scenes I did like somehow, but it's a one-in-a-thousand exception.

Dad-daughter: No, just no. I find this one extremly creepy and can't think of any possible exceptions.

 

[Demon34]

ya i am

 

[ashw]

Refering to earlier posts, anything non-blood related is not incest, including step-siblings/parents.

I had taken a psychology class in college and incest was a topic that came up, and in the US there is no federal level law prohibiting relations between people who are related by marriage and not by blood. However there are some state level laws where it is illegal to have relations and/or marry someone who is related by marriage, even if they are not blood related. Albeit that was about 15 years ago, I have no idea how the laws may have changed.

 

[hakarlman]

I'm not tired of it. If anything it should be improved upon and made better.

 

[Deleted member 167032]

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There's no incest.

ya i am

 

[Deleted member 167032]

Here's the thing.... I agree with @jensenagain that it can be done better....

How many of us have a sister or mom that is fairly good looking?
Now if you have, ... have you thought about then in a sexual way and getting an erection? Yes i am sure there are some most of us not.
I have a sister and when we were younger she was nice looking, i even saw her naked once in the bathroom and very nice boobs.. BUT as soon as i think about her or my mom who use to be really sexy when she was young in a sexual way I want to vomit and feel really guilty. I just cannot do it.

I love playing incest games, although not many. Why is that, cause they are only games and although you get to like a character(s) it's still just a game and one can detach from it easily and the blood ties are not there to make you feel sick to you stomach thinking about them in that way.

Refering to earlier posts, anything non-blood related is not incest, including step-siblings/parents.

I had taken a psychology class in college and incest was a topic that came up, and in the US there is no federal level law prohibiting relations between people who are related by marriage and not by blood. However there are some state level laws where it is illegal to have relations and/or marry someone who is related by marriage, even if they are not blood related. Albeit that was about 15 years ago, I have no idea how the laws may have changed.

 

[zoneitorboneit]

It depends on the kind of incest:

Mom-daughter: This is my favorite kind of incest porn. Best with a dom daughter bringing her initially reluctant and even prudish mom into bdsm. Even better if the mom didn't have any lesbian experience before. She may be even shocked, that her daughter is a lesbian. But then daughter can find out, how wet mom's cunt is... I like the reversal of authority involved here. The other way round, it's far less appealing, but it can still be ok. As far as the appearance goes the daughter needs to be a grown woman and the mom needs to be visibly older.

Sister-sister: I like all kinds of lesbian porn, so sister-sister is fine too. Though for me the incest component doesn't add any additional spice to the mix. So, while it's still fine for me, it's on the lower range of the lesbian scale, with less thrill than a "seduced by a stranger" scenario.

Mom-son: While I prefer lesbian games over straight ones, this one of the straight settings, I do sometimes play, if done well. Fist of all, the MC must not have any remotely shota like traits. He must be clearly a grown man and should also be taller than his mom. While nerdy hackers may be good protagonists for harem games, they are far less suited for mom-son incest games. If the protagonist should be a hero protecting or saving the mom in pseudo-romantic scenario, I'd make him a burly warrior type. She can than show him his gratitude. If he is a villain, I'd go for a corrupt business man or evil sorcerer. By far the worst mom-son scenario is one, where a virgin son asks mom for sexual advice, after getting ridiculed by a girl.

Brother-sister: In general not my cup of tea. Snow Daze had some brother-sister scenes I did like somehow, but it's a one-in-a-thousand exception.

Dad-daughter: No, just no. I find this one extremly creepy and can't think of any possible exceptions.

So why is dad-daughter creepy and the rest acceptable and the opposite preferred? I don't understand the double standard in preferance.

 

[Ataios]

So why is dad-daughter creepy and the rest acceptable and the opposite preferred? I don't understand the double standard in preferance.

The imagination turns my stomach. No double standard or standard at all. Preferences are preferences not moral standards.

 

[Ataios]

One idea to improve the incest genre is to use a different setting: Why do incest games almost always take place in a here and now setting? There are plenty of settings that would make a good and even credible background for an incest game. In a post-apocalyptic world the survival of the human species depends on the reproduction of those still alive. And these survivors could be the protagonist, his mother and sister. They could have survived due to a rare genetic anomaly. A similar scenario would be science-fiction game with the MC and his family stranded on a hostile planet. In this case they could even be forced to have sex by evil aliens. Another twist would by creation myths. In most mythologies humans started with one couple, which makes incest necessary. In the bible Adam and Eve were not mentioned to have any daughters, so Eve certainly had a hole lot of problems with her horny sons and no girls around.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

One idea to improve the incest genre is to use a different setting: Why do incest games almost always take place in a here and now setting? There are plenty of settings that would make a good and even credible background for an incest game. In a post-apocalyptic world the survival of the human species depends on the reproduction of those still alive. And these survivors could be the protagonist, his mother and sister. They could have survived due to a rare genetic anomaly. A similar scenario would be science-fiction game with the MC and his family stranded on a hostile planet. In this case they could even be forced to have sex by evil aliens. Another twist would by creation myths. In most mythologies humans started with one couple, which makes incest necessary. In the bible Adam and Eve were not mentioned to have any daughters, so Eve certainly had a hole lot of problems with her horny sons and no girls around.

Well, yes and no. The "forbidden fruit" aspect of the incest fantasy is a large part of its appeal. If you make it simply a practical necessity to bypass the taboo, you make the sex more plausible, but the "payoff" for the I-fantasy is greatly reduced. That they are doing what they know is wrong--and still doing it--is kinda the point. Consensual incest does happen IRL, though at a relatively low frequency(thank goodness!), so it is possible for it to happen. What makes it more plausible is obviously open to discussion.

 

[Gaylor King of Homosex]

I think almost any fetish can be made interesting. The problem is: hentai games aren't writers, don't know how to write characters/worlds, don't know how to compel an audience and figure pure jerk-off material is what will make their game a success.

The reason you see games like Monster Girl Quest pick up serious steam isn't because monster girls (the fetish) are super popular, but because it has actual characters and personality and a reason to care about what's going on. If more game devs figured out what makes a "normal" story (movie, show, video game, book, etc.) so compelling and applied it to their porn, we wouldn't see genre fatigue as often.

 

[HalGLC]

Sometimes incest is hot. Sometimes it's an unnecessary addition to the game. There's a lot of great games that were incest that had to have it removed, and with or without the patch it's not really an issue.

Something like Dreams of Desire, Dating my Daughter, Dreaming of Dana, or anything from ICSTOR? Yeah, those ones definitely utilize the incest factor effectively

On the other hand you have a game like My Cute Cousin that had to change to My Cute Roommate, and that didn't really change things. The incest isn't needed in that game. To answer the main OP question, I don't mind it, because there's something about the taboo nature of it that makes it a little bit more arousing. That being said whether I play a game or not has to do on how attractive the models are, how much sex is in the game, etc, whether or not it's incest isn't often a factor for me like, say, NTR or other fetishes are.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

So why is dad-daughter creepy and the rest acceptable and the opposite preferred? I don't understand the double standard in preferance.

A little bit of sexism. We assume that teenage boys have agency, because as males we are conditioned to think that men are the pursuers and not the pursued, and because we can remember what it was like to be young and horny. Because we think of men as pursuers, the father-daughter dynamic hits us as an abuse of authority, in a way that mother-son may not.

 

[zoneitorboneit]

A little bit of sexism. We assume that teenage boys have agency, because as males we are conditioned to think that men are the pursuers and not the pursued, and because we can remember what it was like to be young and horny. Because we think of men as pursuers, the father-daughter dynamic hits us as an abuse of authority, in a way that mother-son may not.

I can't speak for him but I think this nails it on the head, which translates to real life issues of exploitation/abuse and how it's passed off when it occurs to guys.

The imagination turns my stomach. No double standard or standard at all. Preferences are preferences not moral standards.

It's a standard that you set for yourself. I'm not sure we're on the same page here on the meaning of double standard or even the word standard. When you have a level of acceptance, that's a standard. It doesn't have to relate to morals to be a standard. Another way of seeing it is enjoying grapes and pineapples. You'd have grapes in a pineapple salad but not vice versa.

 

[ponk]

Personally I am not thou finding a good incest game is getting harder and harder with time.