VN Ren'Py Artemis [v0.6.2b] [digi.B]

[gino.pilotino]

Another hope I have is that Cassandra will actually be able to use what she stole and complete her project. I would love to see a public debate between Hunter and Artemis at the expo.

 

[xapican]

Another hope I have is that Cassandra will actually be able to use what she stole and complete her project. I would love to see a public debate between Hunter and Artemis at the expo.

Would be interesting, more so because Hunter has a binary Military artificial Inteligence, with which is difficult to reason, but that would have comedy character if you ask me

 

[Capt. Fubar]

You see, there's these things called "being a good person" and "personal growth" and "putting in the work" to get over your trauma. Maybe you should think about them?

Oi, you are talkin' like commies mate. How come?

Jokes aside, if you played the game, you already knew how stupid it sounds. Stop making excuses for others please. Everyone with decent amount of intelligence find it idiotic, illogical, beyond stupid even. Anyway, you are not doing any favors to developer or writer here; we should show their mistakes and slap some sense into them. Even if they don't bother to fix this specific issue, perhaps next time...

Note: May be I'm exaggerating your intentions, you simply don't know how serious trust issues work. Well, I do and it is nothing to do with being a good or bad person. I can explain how they actually think and act with examples, I can also give you bad person with trust issues and good person with trust issues examples as well... if you ask reeeaaallly nicely.

 

[SweatyDevil]

Imagine at the expo Artemis getting curious and firing off a series of questions that Hunter can't possibly answer. As Hunter AI processes the questions, it become overhelmed, triggering Koko's code (which Cass stole.) to engage, which results in him barking like Koko. Cassandra would end up embarrassed in front of a large audience and numerous cameras.

 

[Krytax123]

Oi, you are talkin' like commies mate. How come?

Jokes aside, if you played the game, you already knew how stupid it sounds. Stop making excuses for others please. Everyone with decent amount of intelligence find it idiotic, illogical, beyond stupid even. Anyway, you are not doing any favors to developer or writer here; we should show their mistakes and slap some sense into them. Even if they don't bother to fix this specific issue, perhaps next time...

Note: May be I'm exaggerating your intentions, you simply don't know how serious trust issues work. Well, I do and it is nothing to do with being a good or bad person. I can explain how they actually think and act with examples, I can also give you bad person with trust issues and good person with trust issues examples as well... if you ask reeeaaallly nicely.

While i think you expecting Aiden to demand 100% control is over the top, i agree with you, that Aiden shoud demand something or Kindra even force it on him.

Its just a bit strange that he wasnt able to partner up with kindra because of trust issues, but working for her with no rights to his contributions is easy peasy, all gucci. Its just kind of weird.

Theres a difference between being a good good person and being stupid and naive about buisness decisions lol

You could actually turn it around and argue a good person would be worried about the future of artemis (their kid *cough*) and therefore would fight for the rights to have agency about the decisions of her future.

Buuuut possibliy somethins like that is included in the contract already or as was already mentioned by a other poster, maybe its a point in the next episodes for Kindra and Aiden to find long term solutions. They did not have a lot of time to plan everything accordingly yet (which they should have, they rushed this whole thing but thats fine).

 

[sexgamefreak]

Another hope I have is that Cassandra will actually be able to use what she stole and complete her project. I would love to see a public debate between Hunter and Artemis at the expo.

Fuck no!
You really want Cass to have success with the stolen Code?
if it wouldnt put AI in a bad light i would suggest hunter to malfunction and kill them all, just for Arti to be there and save the day(world) like Terminator style.

Imagine at the expo Artemis getting curious and firing off a series of questions that Hunter can't possibly answer. As Hunter AI processes the questions, it become overhelmed, triggering Koko's code (which Cass stole.) to engage, which results in him barking like Koko. Cassandra would end up embarrassed in front of a large audience and numerous cameras.

thats a nice thought that i would approve.
or Artemis tries "handshake" with Hunter and something unforseen happens, like broadcasting everything illegal and shady deals TWRR is doing so they get shut down and put behind bars

 

[gino.pilotino]

Fuck no!
You really want Cass to have success with the stolen Code?
if it wouldnt put AI in a bad light i would suggest hunter to malfunction and kill them all, just for Arti to be there and save the day(world) like Terminator style.

No, I don't want Cassandra to succeed. I want her to be humiliated in public. But for that to happen, she has to complete Hunter. I've imagined a face-to-face confrontation between Hunter and Artemis. I'm fine with Hunter barking too. Or anything else Digi can come up with. But I hope it's not just a trivial failure of the project.

 

[S8tern]

ok, i am trying to get a save from 0.5.1 to work (Any save from that version tbh) but al i`m getting is errors
and no, i am not using any mods or anything as of yet, wanted to see if it works before i do that
so, anyone can help with that?
or did we get a code rework that needs a new game since 0.5.1 ?
trace file here :

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[sexgamefreak]

No, I don't want Cassandra to succeed. I want her to be humiliated in public.

ok good then lets hope for SweatyDevil suggestion
because even if i want them out of the picture as soon as possible, the humilitation of Hunter just barking like a mere Dog would fit better than every "radical" solution i would have

 

[pitao]

So, he is an employee now, which means very little of his work belongs to him; all his code, robot and everything else belongs to K's company. Also, legally, he has very little rights over robot and his code because of employee status.

This is not someone with trust issues would do, he should ask for %100 ownership of robot instead. Like this: "Ok, I'm gonna finish it but I have trust issues; so, I want its sole ownership status of it. If you accept my proposal, I will work for your company."

I don't know why this shaiy bothering me so much though, it is a goddamn AVN... I WANT LOOOGIIIICCC!!!

I really didn't saw it like that, Aiden has trust issues on the part when he is officially sharing "ownership" of a work project because of what happened with Cassandra, that is what is his afraid of and what triggers the anxiety, to be stabbed in the back again in a partnership where both parties are more than just business partners with no emotional entanglements.

It is not a materialistic concern or of possession because what I see is that there is really genuine trust between them and he knows even without an official ownership on Artemis or the code etc etc that Kindra will always trust and involve him on whatever THEY decide for Artemis and their work together. He is just afraid that if the status quo between them change (being official and legally partners) that it triggers his past trauma and afraid that will happen again.

Anyway maybe my point of view is wrong (or I couldn't put in words what I really think and took about this topic) or old fashioned and probably I'm naive (or even stupid) for this world because I'm much alike Aiden in that regard, care more with emotional connections and doing the right thing than materialistic/ownership connections.

 

[Maccabbee]

Oi, you are talkin' like commies mate. How come?

Jokes aside, if you played the game, you already knew how stupid it sounds. Stop making excuses for others please. Everyone with decent amount of intelligence find it idiotic, illogical, beyond stupid even. Anyway, you are not doing any favors to developer or writer here; we should show their mistakes and slap some sense into them. Even if they don't bother to fix this specific issue, perhaps next time...

Note: May be I'm exaggerating your intentions, you simply don't know how serious trust issues work. Well, I do and it is nothing to do with being a good or bad person. I can explain how they actually think and act with examples, I can also give you bad person with trust issues and good person with trust issues examples as well... if you ask reeeaaallly nicely.

Just because I disagree with your reasoning, and apparent emotional adolescence, doesn't mean I'm wrong. You're entitled to your (wrong) opinion, just like I am. Check yourself.

 

[xapican]

Fuck no!
You really want Cass to have success with the stolen Code?
if it wouldnt put AI in a bad light i would suggest hunter to malfunction and kill them all, just for Arti to be there and save the day(world) like Terminator style.



thats a nice thought that i would approve.
or Artemis tries "handshake" with Hunter and something unforseen happens, like broadcasting everything illegal and shady deals TWRR is doing so they get shut down and put behind bars

Can we insert, Hunter humping Cassies leg, and licking her across the face, just to after run barking to TWRR Ceo and lift his leg and ruin his designer pants ?

 

[gino.pilotino]

Ah, another thing I'd like to see, since Kandice said she thinks Kindra is brilliant but not brilliant enough to finish her parents' project (clearly referring to Artemis), is that the three of them go to dinner with Kandice. Like, “Meet the cause of the blackout.”

 

[gino.pilotino]

Can we insert, Hunter humping Cassies leg, and licking her across the face, just to after run barking to TWRR Ceo and lift his leg and ruin his designer pants ?

That would be awesome!

 

[xapican]

Ah, another thing I'd like to see, since Kandice said she thinks Kindra is brilliant but not brilliant enough to finish her parents' project (clearly referring to Artemis), is that the three of them go to dinner with Kandice. Like, “Meet the cause of the blackout.”

Someone, has brought up this topic, already, seems that Kandice, hopes for a breaktrough, because one of her Twin daughters died, and she want's Artemis to insert the personality of her dead daughter, so I'm pretty confident that, that will happen eventually

 

[pitao]

Just because I disagree with your reasoning, and apparent emotional adolescence, doesn't mean I'm wrong. You're entitled to your (wrong) opinion, just like I am. Check yourself.

It is more than emotional adolescence, it is a sign of times and what society teaches new (and old, even mine already was like that but not in the extent it is today, 50 yo btw) generations everyday in real and virtual space, that material trumps emotional connections. I'm not a commie or whatever that means but I really despise this whole overly competitive capitalist mentality world and what it makes humans do to other humans.

 

[Krytax123]

It is more than emotional adolescence, it is a sign of times and what society teaches new (and old, even mine already was like that but not in the extent it is today, 50 yo btw) generations everyday in real and virtual space, that material trumps emotional connections. I'm not a commie or whatever that means but I really despise this whole capitalist ideology world and what it makes humans do to other humans.

Bro its more related to laws and Society than capitalism

do you feel the same about laws in general? Like we don’t need them and should just feel whats right?

Realisticly Kindra and Aiden don’t even know each other this close and have really no clue if their values are the same

Its better for a friendship/emotional Connection too (even more when work and private life clash) to establish agreements before conflict arises

 

[gino.pilotino]

Bro its more related to laws and Society than capitalism

do you feel the same about laws in general? Like we don’t need them and should just feel whats right?

Realisticly Kindra and Aiden don’t even know each other this close and have really no clue if their values are the same

Its better for a friendship/emotional Connection too (even more when work and private life clash) to establish agreements before conflict arises

I basically agree with pitao . However, it seems to me that we are going to look for realism in a story where there is an android dog built by teenagers, a military android, and an android who is becoming human but losing his arms.

 

[pitao]

Bro its more related to laws and Society than capitalism

do you feel the same about laws in general? Like we don’t need them and should just feel whats right?

Realisticly Kindra and Aiden don’t even know each other this close and have really no clue if their values are the same

Its better for a friendship/emotional Connection too (even more when work and private life clash) to establish agreements before conflict arises

More complex is the laws and amount of it more sickness a society shows itself. I follow most of the laws even some I don't agree with, clearly I don't follow them all or I wouldn't be here on this site hahaha. But yes I consider myself a person that respect the laws in general, but that wasn't my point anyway.

It was the value and some considering it stupid/illogical and whatever people that value much more emotional over ownership and concern of protecting their "rights", and I felt it a bit personally because I would behave almost exactly like Aiden did in that matter if I had experienced what he did. Seems I'm stupid and illogical but I would say that I'm simply....human and not perfect and make illogical decisions sometimes and same with the MC, I love that he isn't perfect.

 

[Krytax123]

I basically agree with pitao . However, it seems to me that we are going to look for realism in a story where there is an android dog, a military android, and an android who is becoming human but losing his arms.

I already said that i dont think its a big deal in the avn even if i would prefer it a bit different but im allowed to give an answer to a stupid statement like "everyone who wants some established rules regarding a groundbreaking crazy project is kinda adolescent and youre a better human being if you just do what your emotions (or lazyness) tell you" lol

And its not related to "our society today" as the user claimed, they did stuff like that already in rome and earlier.

Telling people they should just start to become "good people" and get over "their trust issues and work on themself" and if they are unable to achieve that, they are adolescent no matter what happened to them is such a fucked up mindest and so far away from being "a good person" ... (this was another poster whose way worse).

Maccabbee morally upstanding solution to treat people with depression is to tell them to "get over it" and otherwise they are adolescent and he sees himself as a good guy for this opinion lmao

Just a little example how emotions/feelings are very different from person to person and therefore established rules and guidelines are necessary.

And i hate the "this is sci-fi (or fantasy) therefore is no need for realism" argument with every fiber of my being or would you be fine with aiden riding flying unicorns instead of driving cars? Doesnt matter there are androis too right?

Edit: pitao i did not mean to imply that everyone not considering stuff like that is stupid or illogical. Its always good to have some safety nets but of course not always necessary. But this isnt about doing your buddy a favor or even giving him a loan, its a groundbreaking scientific achievment and lots of people will try to get their hands on this stuff from out and inside the company.

Imo its more about fighting for Artemis rights and her future than about being egoistic or greedy.

But maybe Aiden just doesnt have a lot of agency and is fine with whatever Kindra may decides, thats a possibility too.

Edit 2: i will shut up about this stuff now, this topic has overstayed its time and is really not important enough and i think people start to get annoyed