Ren'Py Completed Babysitter [Final v0.2.2b] [T4bbo]

[gestved]

really, if t4boo was so afraid of patreon he would just remove the uncle/niece relation and make MC a friend of christine mother or something like that. Their relation isn't important for the story and every behavior they had up to this point would be justifiable even without it

people are still butthurt because there is NTR in the game, even if it is avoidable. I do think there are a little too much male characters beside MC, there are four until now (mr silver, mr bbc, sonya husband and jess brother), against three main girls, that's a lot of competition I guess. But as long this competition is avoidable I don't see a problem

 

[ltpika]

really, if t4boo was so afraid of patreon he would just remove the uncle/niece relation and make MC a friend of christine mother or something like that. Their relation isn't important for the story and every behavior they had up to this point would be justifiable even without it

people are still butthurt because there is NTR in the game, even if it is avoidable. I do think there are a little too much male characters beside MC, there are four until now, against three main girls, that's a lot of competition I guess. But as long this competition is avoidable I don't see a problem

I'm actually in it for Niece x Jess. I just wanted to give people fair warning of possible P-treon ruination.

 

[Ignazzio]

Has the existence of those routes been proven? No one has provided a way to reach them, all we have is claims.

If you follow the walkthrough on both routes Uncle will be the only male she will think about. Silver dosn't matter cuz you're with her in her room. Robert doesn't matter cuz she can only think about you if you play it right. Other males are just a plot device and I see no reason to say uncle won't get anything when he clearly can get everything

 

[OhWee]

Hmmm, do I say anything about 0.0.9...

Damn straight I do!

So this is T4bbo's game, but since I'm on the team, I'll try to share something....

Without sharing any spoilers, I can say that some of the speculation in the last few posts is off the mark. While there are two primary paths (the Silver route, the Robert/Jess route) there are several outcomes along each of these paths that are becoming more apparent as things go along.

While of course Uncle and Christine are the focus of the story, Jess, Sonya, Silver and Robert are also involved in this story, and all have a role to play. And, this being a game, if Uncle is off of his game, then others will step in to fill the void. This hasn't changed over the last few updates, but now that the 'terrain' has been defined, and now that the 'primaries' have made their intentions known, now it's time for some serious progression in the next update.

That being said, don't assume that Christine is going to just 'give it up' in the next update. But, there will be some progression nonetheless, the exact nature of said progression being based on a few decisions...

Christine has four 'options' currently, although the fourth option (Jess) is maybe a bit less clear/a more recent thing. Also, depending on who your 'MC/Uncle' is interested in at this point based on some of the story decisions you've made, well at this point your choices may be narrowing a bit. It may have seen like a bit of a 'free for all' r.e. who you could chase, but now it's time for people to 'choose' and stay focused.

This isn't to say that the more 'intriguing' endings aren't in the cards, just that we are putting a lot of thought into exactly 'how' a multiple partner ending might come about (my term for this is 'Uncle managing to balance things perfectly'. The various points being tracked up to this point will play into this heavily, and this may be particularly hard to achieve.

This will cut both ways though. If Uncle is messing up a lot, someone else might end up with that 'multiple partner' ending instead. As T4bbo has said, this is a game after all.

We are a ways off from endings though, based on the story discussions the Babysitter team is currently having. Things are going to get interesting from the player's perspective r.e. character backgrounds very soon, and a couple of bread crumbs have been dropped here and there already...

I can say that there will be some sexy stuff in the next update, but as to who is 'being sexy' with whom, I'll leave that question open/won't spoil it. Also, this story may be a bit 'deeper' that it appears, and certain characters have some stuff going on which is slowly being revealed as we go along...

As to potential issues with content, there's a game plan for that. Note what various modders and such can easily restore such things in Renpy games, and as Ignazzio pointed out the story can stay essentially intact with very minor changes anyways.

This is definitely a rather involved story, not a 'wham bam thank you ma'am' affair, so if you are looking for lots of sex with all of the characters simultaneously in the next update, well this isn't that game. And we do want Christine's progression to be 'special' with Uncle, and not overly dragged out but not sudden either. That one is a very delicate balance, and of course I'm always keeping the idea of avoiding the M.M.P. (Milking Patrons) thing in the back of my mind as I help with the writing. Sure, the Stairway to Heaven game thing is on our mind, it's a game after all, but I'm personally not a fan of overly large stairways...

And this is a story too. T4bbo has this story he wants to tell, and as I'm becoming immersed with it, well obviously it's not going to be a literary masterpiece, but there is a backstory here to go along with the game that the team is being mindful of going forward. Not that people look for 'deep stories' in porn games, but there is a deeper story going on here in this case...

There, hopefully I was sufficiently vague but still managed to allay some fears... I'm just a member of the team though, this is T4bbo's baby.

Back to work!

 

[rodneyeatme]

Hmmm, do I say anything about 0.0.9...

Damn straight I do!

So this is T4bbo's game, but since I'm on the team, I'll try to share something....

Without sharing any spoilers, I can say that some of the speculation in the last few posts is off the mark. While there are two primary paths (the Silver route, the Robert/Jess route) there are several outcomes along each of these paths that are becoming more apparent as things go along.

While of course Uncle and Christine are the focus of the story, Jess, Sonya, Silver and Robert are also involved in this story, and all have a role to play. And, this being a game, if Uncle is off of his game, then others will step in to fill the void. This hasn't changed over the last few updates, but now that the 'terrain' has been defined, and now that the 'primaries' have made their intentions known, now it's time for some serious progression in the next update.

That being said, don't assume that Christine is going to just 'give it up' in the next update. But, there will be some progression nonetheless, the exact nature of said progression being based on a few decisions...

Christine has four 'options' currently, although the fourth option (Jess) is maybe a bit less clear/a more recent thing. Also, depending on who your 'MC/Uncle' is interested in at this point based on some of the story decisions you've made, well at this point your choices may be narrowing a bit. It may have seen like a bit of a 'free for all' r.e. who you could chase, but now it's time for people to 'choose' and stay focused.

This isn't to say that the more 'intriguing' endings aren't in the cards, just that we are putting a lot of thought into exactly 'how' a multiple partner ending might come about (my term for this is 'Uncle managing to balance things perfectly'. The various points being tracked up to this point will play into this heavily, and this may be particularly hard to achieve.

This will cut both ways though. If Uncle is messing up a lot, someone else might end up with that 'multiple partner' ending instead. As T4bbo has said, this is a game after all.

We are a ways off from endings though, based on the story discussions the Babysitter team is currently having. Things are going to get interesting from the player's perspective r.e. character backgrounds very soon, and a couple of bread crumbs have been dropped here and there already...

I can say that there will be some sexy stuff in the next update, but as to who is 'being sexy' with whom, I'll leave that question open/won't spoil it. Also, this story may be a bit 'deeper' that it appears, and certain characters have some stuff going on which is slowly being revealed as we go along...

As to potential issues with content, there's a game plan for that. Note what various modders and such can easily restore such things in Renpy games, and as Ignazzio pointed out the story can stay essentially intact with very minor changes anyways.

This is definitely a rather involved story, not a 'wham bam thank you ma'am' affair, so if you are looking for lots of sex with all of the characters simultaneously in the next update, well this isn't that game. And we do want Christine's progression to be 'special' with Uncle, and not overly dragged out but not sudden either. That one is a very delicate balance, and of course I'm always keeping the idea of avoiding the M.M.P. (Milking Patrons) thing in the back of my mind as I help with the writing. Sure, the Stairway to Heaven game thing is on our mind, it's a game after all, but I'm personally not a fan of overly large stairways...

And this is a story too. T4bbo has this story he wants to tell, and as I'm becoming immersed with it, well obviously it's not going to be a literary masterpiece, but there is a backstory here to go along with the game that the team is being mindful of going forward. Not that people look for 'deep stories' in porn games, but there is a deeper story going on here in this case...

There, hopefully I was sufficiently vague but still managed to allay some fears... I'm just a member of the team though, this is T4bbo's baby.

Back to work!

That's a lot of words being used to inform me I'm going to have to start yet another new game or risk getting cucked by Jess. Honestly, at this point, Christine being resigned to a life of poetry slams and bed death probably isn't the worst thing that could happen.

 

[baloneysammich]

Hmmm, do I say anything about 0.0.9...

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I give it 10 Likes for content and 9 Dislikes for excessive quoting, for a net 1 Like. :closedtongue:

 

[OhWee]

That's a lot of words being used to inform me I'm going to have to start yet another new game or risk getting cucked by Jess. Honestly, at this point, Christine being resigned to a life of poetry slams and bed death probably isn't the worst thing that could happen.

Well in this context, that'll only happen if you allow it to as Uncle. But as someone mentioned above, some people are actually interested in how these 'other paths' for Christine may play out. Ignazzio said it best, if you play your cards right, Christine could eventually be the MC's. What happened at the hotel with Uncle and Christine on the Silver path in 0.0.8 is a good example of how this can play out. But if, as a player, you want to see Silver or Robert, or even Jess ending up with Christine, and some people actually want this, well those may be possibilities as well. The question will be how far as storytellers the team may be willing to go with those 'alternate' branches before declaring 'game over'.

The point is that there are multiple paths and multiple possible endings coming up in this game, which adds to replayability. Sometimes the 'what if' questions can be fun and interesting to explore... But you don't have to explore them if you don't want to, just focus on the path you like.

So far, I've stayed focused on Christine in my own playthroughs, and Silver and Robert have been distractions at best. And I don't see that changing much. But as a team writer, well the other paths are there to consider too.

But to each their own. There are literally hundreds of games on F95 now, and everyone has their own tastes. You just need to find the ones you like, just be courteous, and let the people that like other games you aren't into as much enjoy their faves too.

 

[rodneyeatme]

Well in this context, that'll only happen if you allow it to as Uncle. But as someone mentioned above, some people are actually interested in how these 'other paths' for Christine may play out. Ignazzio said it best, if you play your cards right, Christine could eventually be the MC's. What happened at the hotel with Uncle and Christine on the Silver path in 0.0.8 is a good example of how this can play out. But if, as a player, you want to see Silver or Robert, or even Jess ending up with Christine, and some people actually want this, well those may be possibilities as well. The question will be how far as storytellers the team may be willing to go with those 'alternate' branches before declaring 'game over'.

The point is that there are multiple paths and multiple possible endings coming up in this game, which adds to replayability. Sometimes the 'what if' questions can be fun and interesting to explore... But you don't have to explore them if you don't want to, just focus on the path you like.

So far, I've stayed focused on Christine in my own playthroughs, and Silver and Robert have been distractions at best. And I don't see that changing much. But as a team writer, well the other paths are there to consider too.

But to each their own. There are literally hundreds of games on F95 now, and everyone has their own tastes. You just need to find the ones you like, just be courteous, and let the people that like other games you aren't into as much enjoy their faves too.

I was just lamenting that I'd have to restart Babysitter from the start for, like, the 6th time due to my own foolishness of pushing Christine on to Jess in my latest run-through, not saying I was dumping it.

This is one of the few games where the dev makes decisions I initially roll my eyes at and end up with my snap judgement being wrong. Christine might remain a virgin for a calendar year and I'll follow along happily. T4bbo's earned some leeway and thankfully isn't up his own ass like that dude from Dual Toenail Cam Autistic Puzzle Super Emo Fun Time.

 

[gestved]

All I want to know is when we'll get a scene with that picture in the main menu

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

Hmmm, do I say anything about 0.0.9...

Damn straight I do!

So this is T4bbo's game, but since I'm on the team, I'll try to share something....

Without sharing any spoilers, I can say that some of the speculation in the last few posts is off the mark. While there are two primary paths (the Silver route, the Robert/Jess route) there are several outcomes along each of these paths that are becoming more apparent as things go along.

While of course Uncle and Christine are the focus of the story, Jess, Sonya, Silver and Robert are also involved in this story, and all have a role to play. And, this being a game, if Uncle is off of his game, then others will step in to fill the void. This hasn't changed over the last few updates, but now that the 'terrain' has been defined, and now that the 'primaries' have made their intentions known, now it's time for some serious progression in the next update.

That being said, don't assume that Christine is going to just 'give it up' in the next update. But, there will be some progression nonetheless, the exact nature of said progression being based on a few decisions...

Christine has four 'options' currently, although the fourth option (Jess) is maybe a bit less clear/a more recent thing. Also, depending on who your 'MC/Uncle' is interested in at this point based on some of the story decisions you've made, well at this point your choices may be narrowing a bit. It may have seen like a bit of a 'free for all' r.e. who you could chase, but now it's time for people to 'choose' and stay focused.

This isn't to say that the more 'intriguing' endings aren't in the cards, just that we are putting a lot of thought into exactly 'how' a multiple partner ending might come about (my term for this is 'Uncle managing to balance things perfectly'. The various points being tracked up to this point will play into this heavily, and this may be particularly hard to achieve.

This will cut both ways though. If Uncle is messing up a lot, someone else might end up with that 'multiple partner' ending instead. As T4bbo has said, this is a game after all.

We are a ways off from endings though, based on the story discussions the Babysitter team is currently having. Things are going to get interesting from the player's perspective r.e. character backgrounds very soon, and a couple of bread crumbs have been dropped here and there already...

I can say that there will be some sexy stuff in the next update, but as to who is 'being sexy' with whom, I'll leave that question open/won't spoil it. Also, this story may be a bit 'deeper' that it appears, and certain characters have some stuff going on which is slowly being revealed as we go along...

As to potential issues with content, there's a game plan for that. Note what various modders and such can easily restore such things in Renpy games, and as Ignazzio pointed out the story can stay essentially intact with very minor changes anyways.

This is definitely a rather involved story, not a 'wham bam thank you ma'am' affair, so if you are looking for lots of sex with all of the characters simultaneously in the next update, well this isn't that game. And we do want Christine's progression to be 'special' with Uncle, and not overly dragged out but not sudden either. That one is a very delicate balance, and of course I'm always keeping the idea of avoiding the M.M.P. (Milking Patrons) thing in the back of my mind as I help with the writing. Sure, the Stairway to Heaven game thing is on our mind, it's a game after all, but I'm personally not a fan of overly large stairways...

And this is a story too. T4bbo has this story he wants to tell, and as I'm becoming immersed with it, well obviously it's not going to be a literary masterpiece, but there is a backstory here to go along with the game that the team is being mindful of going forward. Not that people look for 'deep stories' in porn games, but there is a deeper story going on here in this case...

There, hopefully I was sufficiently vague but still managed to allay some fears... I'm just a member of the team though, this is T4bbo's baby.

Back to work!

Few things:

1. Is it wrong that I'm happy that 'Stairway to Heaven' seems to be entering the vernacular around here?

2. You guys do you, but I will say that the biggest concern I still have is the gating and point systems still need a ton of work, and having to do a ridiculous juggling act in order to get a multi-person ending does not make me particularly excited, mainly because of how easy it has been up until now to miss scenes and have no idea that you are missing them.

3. The other concern I have is stuff with the MC. I see what you are saying with not wanting to take too long with it, but it really has been slow as dirt so far, with the vast majority of spicy scenes being a result of literally molesting Christine in her sleep. Even doing the night in the hotel with her, it advanced incredibly quickly, and not a hell of a lot happened. I'll also take your word on it going forward, but it really does feel like this game is especially punishing when it comes to sexy stuff. This does look to be changing a bit with 0.8 so we'll see how it goes. Even with 0.8 for all intents and purposes there is no relationship between Christine and the MC yet.

 

[Ignazzio]

2. You guys do you, but I will say that the biggest concern I still have is the gating and point systems still need a ton of work, and having to do a ridiculous juggling act in order to get a multi-person ending does not make me particularly excited, mainly because of how easy it has been up until now to miss scenes and have no idea that you are missing them.

In updated version point system is already changed a bit and as far as I know it was adressed already so next update should deal with it.
It might be a slow story, but it's still much faster than DMD or DF And it's not like relationship doesn't evolve. Christine starts to think about her uncle in sexual way, he can openly grab her butt and she can masturbate thinking about him. That's something you should consider as a development.

 

[OhWee]

Here's another fan piece, to help ring in the new year...

 

[Benn Swagger]

It just my personal opinion. I think it a stupid idea making a lot of traps (not traps gay) for player and they missed some good action. So basically the dev want players to missed their whole wonderful sex scene, which need hours of making and rendering. Thank's to walkthrough we can avoid that, but without dedicated walkthrough made by fans or official, then the dev just making render picture which majority won't care. I bet a lot of people would missing alot action without walkthrough. And on top of that, there's no Walkthrough option in the OP post. Great right ... ?

Oh ... you want me to play twice or thrice or +10times to get all action ? ... nope, better play 1 or 2 then the rest just extract the game file and see pointlessly the pictures. Even missed the "best" scene, I'm not really care that much.

 

[Boogie]

It just my personal opinion. I think it a stupid idea making a lot of traps (not traps gay) for player and they missed some good action. So basically the dev want players to missed their whole wonderful sex scene, which need hours of making and rendering. Thank's to walkthrough we can avoid that, but without dedicated walkthrough made by fans or official, then the dev just making render picture which majority won't care. I bet a lot of people would missing alot action without walkthrough. And on top of that, there's no Walkthrough option in the OP post. Great right ... ?

Oh ... you want me to play twice or thrice or +10times to get all action ? ... nope, better play 1 or 2 then the rest just extract the game file and see pointlessly the pictures. Even missed the "best" scene, I'm not really care that much.

I agree. Just played this game for the 1st time last night and got a Game Over on the 1st day and the hint suggested I not be a "douchebag", and I was shocked because I was as nice as possible. Since I rarely repay adult games I almost didn't try again but found the walkthrough in this thread. The logic of this game often doesn't make sense, I lost points on the first day by not lying to Christine's mother, and not lying about Feng Shui? And by not lying I got the game over? When a walkthrough is required for a game because of poor or inconsistent logic, it needs a redesign.

 

[Pantisocrat]

I lost points on the first day by not lying to Christine's mother, and not lying about Feng Shui? And by not lying I got the game over? When a walkthrough is required for a game because of poor or inconsistent logic, it needs a redesign.

They're white lies. You lie to them so as to avoid hurting their feelings. People do it every day.

 

[Boogie]

They're white lies. You lie to them so as to avoid hurting their feelings. People do it every day.

No they are not. The first lie to the mother should have no effect on on the daughter. Admitting that you know nothing about Feng Shui is not a personal insult on another person.

 

[Pantisocrat]

No they are not. The first lie to the mother should have no effect on on the daughter. Admitting that you know nothing about Feng Shui is not a personal insult on another person.

Of course they are. Who knows what the mother says to her daughter after the phone convo, and there are other ways to hurt someone's feelings than by insulting them. Embarrassment will do it, and it's easy to see how someone would be embarrassed if they guess that a room has been feng-shui'd and it turns out to just be random.

 

[Boogie]

Of course they are. Who knows what the mother says to her daughter after the phone convo, and there are other ways to hurt someone's feelings than by insulting them. Embarrassment will do it, and it's easy to see how someone would be embarrassed if they guess that a room has been feng-shui'd and it turns out to just be random.

In both cases you are claiming you know something you don't, that's just a plain old regular lie.

But regardless, my point was about game design. I didn't do anything stupid but still got a Game Over on the first day. There wasn't anything particularly compelling enough in the first day to encourage me to try again and I almost just deleted the whole game. That's poor game design and I believe the developers should reevaluate their penalty and reward approach.

 

[Pantisocrat]

In both cases you are claiming you know something you don't, that's just a plain old regular lie.

White lies are in fact lies, yes.

But regardless, my point was about game design. I didn't do anything stupid but still got a Game Over on the first day. There wasn't anything particularly compelling enough in the first day to encourage me to try again and I almost just deleted the whole game. That's poor game design and I believe the developers should reevaluate their penalty and reward approach.

I don't think it's poor game design. Telling your sister you don't remember her daughter's name isn't what I'd call "not doing anything stupid" but don't take that the wrong way.

 

[Boogie]

I don't think it's poor game design. Telling your sister you don't remember her daughter's name isn't what I'd call "not doing anything stupid" but don't take that the wrong way.

The lie wasn't about remembering Christine's name. Your sister asked if you knew that Christine just finished high school but didn't want to go to college.