Are you viewing Zoey's content, or avoiding it?


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SlapE

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Oh lol i meant that far in the opposite direction....she's so open, I wouldnt consider her my gf - just a relationship for show..... Zoey on the other hand! :love:
I mean, she's just sexually adventurous and open minded. On the romance/love path she is still down to do all kinds of kinky and wild shit. I never once have gotten the feeling that she doesn't love and care about the MC, though I do have nearly max love points with her, maybe that plays a factor in it. She's definitely a horny and sexually outgoing person, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. the only things I care about is non submissive MC's, which luckily in this game you get to steer your MC to be which you prefer, and a loyal girlfriend who considers the MC's feelings. So far on my high love point Claire playthrough, she hasn't cheated, and always considers the MC's feelings.

If this ever changes, and it seems like she no longer cares for the MC, then that would be disappointing. However I haven't gotten that from this AVN so far, and personally I love Claire. Definitely have never viewed it as a relationship for show. Zoey seems crazy about the MC, I won't deny that, but that doesn't diminish Claire and the MC's relationship in any way for me. Especially since for now at least, I can have both. And Zoey will likely also become more open, she's just very inexperienced and less extroverted compared to Claire, that's something you've got to keep in mind.
 
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Pr0GamerJohnny

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I mean, she's just sexually adventurous and open minded. On the romance/love path she is still down to do all kinds of kinky and wild shit. I never once have gotten the feeling that she doesn't love and care about the MC, though I do have nearly max love points with her, maybe that plays a factor in it. She's definitely a horny and sexually outgoing person, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. the only things I care about is non submissive MC's, which luckily in this game you get to steer your MC to be which you prefer, and a loyal girlfriend who considers the MC's feelings. So far on my high love point Claire playthrough, she hasn't cheated, and always considers the MC's feelings.

If this ever changes, and it seems like she no longer cares for the MC, then that would be disappointing. However I haven't gotten that from this AVN so far, and personally I love Claire. Definitely have never viewed it as a relationship for show. Zoey seems crazy about the MC, I won't deny that, but that doesn't diminish Claire and the MC's relationship in any way for me. Especially since for now at least, I can have both. And Zoey will likely also become more open, she's just very inexperienced and less extroverted compared to Claire, that's something you've got to keep in mind.
Wait we are taking about the same game right? Episode 1 as in the recent remake?

After playing both paths in this, I'd agree Claire is a romantic girlfriend who considers the MC feelings on the vanilla path, I was envisioning the sharing path when i wrote that (distinct from ntr/cheating path). I dunno, Claire just seemed a litttle too quick to hop on the damien jock whenever... I could be remembering wrong, Zoey seemed a lot warmer and more considerate.
 

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Wait we are taking about the same game right? Episode 1 as in the recent remake?

After playing both paths in this, I'd agree Claire is a romantic girlfriend who considers the MC feelings on the vanilla path, I was envisioning the sharing path when i wrote that (distinct from ntr/cheating path). I dunno, Claire just seemed a litttle too quick to hop on the damien jock whenever... I could be remembering wrong, Zoey seemed a lot warmer and more considerate.
Well I mean, to be fair, Zoey also doesn't take much convincing to lose her virginity to Damien, sure she's more hesitant than Claire, but again that just comes down to her being inexperienced and also introverted, compared to Claire at least. Claire is also just a more sexual person from what we've seen so far, is clearly more outgoing, and had already talked to the MC about exploring stuff like this with the MC prior. Zoey never got the chance to really discuss anything of the sort with the MC, and was still fine with losing her virginity to someone she had just met.

So if Claire doesn't love the MC because she is more outgoing and eager to explore, then is Zoey really any better in that regard? I mean I personally think both Claire and Zoey love the MC, but just have different personalities and are on completely different levels when it comes to sex, so to me it makes total sense. I know Zoey and the MC aren't technically a couple, but they both have clearly expressed feelings for one another, and Zoey straight up admits she loves the MC.

I personally love a more outgoing and adventurous woman, I also enjoy a more reserved introverted type sometimes too, but I definitely prefer a woman who can match me, instead of having to be a teacher. I guess this is one of the big reasons I love Claire so much, along with the fact she's just insanely hot.

*edit* I just checked cause I was curious, Zoey was only slightly hesitant near the start of the whole encounter, but when the option came up to have Damien take her virginity, she was actually the one who brought up the idea in the first place, know that the MC might like the idea. Then once you pick the option, she doesn't hesitate at all, and seems to be all for it. :p

I don't see this as her not loving the MC though, just wanted to point it out.
 
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Pr0GamerJohnny

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I personally love a more outgoing and adventurous woman, I also enjoy a more reserved introverted type sometimes too, but I definitely prefer a woman who can match me, instead of having to be a teacher. I guess this is one of the big reasons I love Claire so much, along with the fact she's just insanely hot.
Absolutely, and I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I don't always equate demure with desireable or a good partner, depends on more. Maybe it was the nature of Zoey taking you outside and talking to you privately that made her feel more intimate and considerate. I'll have to play it again and read the stuff carefully.

And I do agree about having a 'partner in crime' is a great feel for an LI which is sorely missed in many games, but based on my memory Claire is less that and more about getting her own- like I said I'll have to replay and watch more carefully.
 
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This is why the love path is totally in another universe to the NTR garbage routes
- sex at the drop of a hat is straight up garbage porn with literally no story, nothing to build up or anything.

You cannot substantially put the love route where MC has a story and the girls are warming up to you,
back to back against the totally garbage porn only stupid NTR kink only routes
of dumb egotistical whores becoming free use assholes
for absolute disgustiong sub human dumpsterdiving idiots.

NTR is the total trashing of any love story - you cannot find reason in nonsensical ilogical dumb porn. The NTR route already has all the girls be the town bycicles for total nobodies we could never care anything about because the dev and the plot and the story do not give a shit about in any way, shape or form.

This is the kink you are talking about - painstakingly slow paced romance
where MC gets little for a lotta his effort = actual story.
Didn't ask and don't care, I'm just going to put you on ignore, which I should have done before to be honest. You're saying the same shit different day, it's all you do.
 

slaifer99

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Good game, and I liked the NTR route and sharing the wife, it would only include sounds of women moaning during sex, similar to what happens in Lust couple duet.

it would also include more adventures with the husband watching his wife having sex with other men, on a sharing route similar to what is in Duet couple love lust and finding another husband, for example, who also likes to share his wife and scenes of the 2 husbands watching their wives having sex with other guys.
 
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slaifer99

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To this day I don't understand why some people who say they don't like the themes play games with TAGS NTR, Sharing Wives, Netorase.

It's very stupid to criticize something that was made for people who like a certain topic. While you don't appreciate it, thousands of other people like these tags and play these games. Something very simple but many still don't understand.

The same goes for anything with these tags, Doujishins - hentais...
 

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To this day I don't understand why some people who say they don't like the themes play games with TAGS NTR, Sharing Wives, Netorase.

It's very stupid to criticize something that was made for people who like a certain topic. While you don't appreciate it, thousands of other people like these tags and play these games. Something very simple but many still don't understand.

The same goes for anything with these tags, Doujishins - hentais...
People who complain about NTR/sharing while playing games of that genre are peeps who secretly like NTR/Sharing but hate to accept their fetish that's all,so they keep whining because they hate themselves for having that kind fetish.
Otherwise,why would someone follow/play a game that has a particular genre you dislike,makes no sense...especially since these are just adult games.
 

Slick Bean

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People debate all kinds of stuff from the game, like some of the following:
- you might love NTR but want the romance stuff to spill into it,
like some gamer on this very page, who wanted exactly that.

Result: after I engaged in a conversation, they put me on ignore when I simply assured them and any other player here that this dev managed to make the total divide between NTR and Romance in this game.

Wishful thinking of turning NTR into romance or Romance into NTR is just that - wishful thinking,
because this game will never have that, by design.
To this day I don't understand why some people who say they don't like the themes play games with TAGS NTR, Sharing Wives, Netorase.

It's very stupid to criticize something that was made for people who like a certain topic. While you don't appreciate it, thousands of other people like these tags and play these games. Something very simple but many still don't understand.

The same goes for anything with these tags, Doujishins - hentais...
We are supposedly all adults here, hence we have supposedly went through our formal training in school:
- of life, of university, of college, of family, whatever we did, we have some baggage of information that includes
the extensive knowledge of what precisely is NTR- trashing of a love story.

You cannot have actual NTR without the love story - you cannot have Romance with NTR - they are total opposits.

People who complain about NTR/sharing while playing games of that genre are peeps who secretly like NTR/Sharing but hate to accept their fetish that's all,so they keep whining because they hate themselves for having that kind fetish.
Otherwise,why would someone follow/play a game that has a particular genre you dislike,makes no sense...especially since these are just adult games.
Whomever plays the Romance route likes to play pretend they favor that over NTR and is talking down the NTR route.
Same goes for the NTR players - they will talk down the Romance path.

This is how it always goes with games that feature such divergent and diverse paths that are totally alien to eachother.
 
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Pr0GamerJohnny

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People debate all kinds of stuff from the game, like some of the following:
- you might love NTR but want the romance stuff to spill into it,
like some gamer on this very page, who wanted exactly that.

Result: after I engaged in a conversation, they put me on ignore when I simply assured them and any other player here that this dev managed to make the total divide between NTR and Romance in this game.

Wishful thinking of turning NTR into romance or Romance into NTR is just that - wishful thinking,
because this game will never have that, by design.


We are supposedly all adults here, hence we have supposedly went through our formal training in school:
- of life, of university, of college, of family, whatever we did, we have some baggage of information that includes
the extensive knowledge of what precisely is NTR- trashing of a love story.

You cannot have actual NTR without the love story - you cannot have Romance with NTR - they are total opposits.



Whomever plays the Romance route likes to play pretend they favor that over NTR and is talking down the NTR route.
Same goes for the NTR players - they will talk down the Romance path.

This is how it always goes with games that feature such divergent and diverse paths that are totally alien to eachother.
This assumes a false dichtomy where there's no swinging/sharing middleground.
 
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Slick Bean

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Thanks for being exactly the angaged gamer your status implies, player.
This assumes a false dichtomy where there's no swinging/sharing middleground.
Would you say such activities are relegated to the NTR route speciffically? Because when the routes get divided, there are two guys coming to steal the girls - this - two guys + two girls - arrangement sure makes it look like swinging or sharing or both would exclusively mean those NTR route guys and girls doing it - nothing of such kinks seem to be assured for the Romance path.
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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Thanks for being exactly the angaged gamer your status implies, player.

Would you say such activities are relegated to the NTR route speciffically? Because when the routes get divided, there are two guys coming to steal the girls - this two guys two girls arrangement sure makes it look like swinging or sharing would exclusively mean those NTR route guys and girls doing it - nothing of such kinks seeem to be assured for the Romance path.
Yep, I imagine they'll be only under the NTR umbrella, but we get used to it, as swinging/sharing themes are often relegated here.
 

Big Rooster

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People debate all kinds of stuff from the game, like some of the following:
- you might love NTR but want the romance stuff to spill into it,
like some gamer on this very page, who wanted exactly that.

Result: after I engaged in a conversation, they put me on ignore when I simply assured them and any other player here that this dev managed to make the total divide between NTR and Romance in this game.

Wishful thinking of turning NTR into romance or Romance into NTR is just that - wishful thinking,
because this game will never have that, by design.


We are supposedly all adults here, hence we have supposedly went through our formal training in school:
- of life, of university, of college, of family, whatever we did, we have some baggage of information that includes
the extensive knowledge of what precisely is NTR- trashing of a love story.

You cannot have actual NTR without the love story - you cannot have Romance with NTR - they are total opposits.



Whomever plays the Romance route likes to play pretend they favor that over NTR and is talking down the NTR route.
Same goes for the NTR players - they will talk down the Romance path.

This is how it always goes with games that feature such divergent and diverse paths that are totally alien to eachother.
I like and play both routes.
 
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Turret

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Wishful thinking of turning NTR into romance or Romance into NTR is just that - wishful thinking,
because this game will never have that, by design.
This assumes a false dichtomy where there's no swinging/sharing middleground.
Yep, I imagine they'll be only under the NTR umbrella, but we get used to it, as swinging/sharing themes are often relegated here.
Hi you two!
I agree with Slick insofar that the Typist really did separate romance and NTR, thank God, since one of my biggest berserk buttons are developers who try to shove NTR down our throats while blabbing about how that is romance/sharing/swinging. NTR is anathema to BOTH romance and sharing/swinging! I had a very heated discussion in another game thread where the developer is unable to get that fact and deludes himself he threw the sharing lovers a bone with a simply redressed NTR path. No thank you!

I also agree with you Pr0GamerJohnny , in that sharing/swinging occupies a middleground between romance and NTR, but lies closer to romance than NTR. NTR is inherently destructive, while romance and sharing/swinging only are in specific cases.
I agree with you too, that the Typist has put sharing under the NTRish umbrella, but we can e.g. play a very nice sharing route with zero NTR in it! That is thumbs up!

My crtitic of TheTypist was mainly his long radio silences coupled with completely blown update promises, less the story, which in this remake looks very promising! And the fact that we can play romance paths and two really nice steamy sharing/swinging paths with no NTR in it is simply great!
There are still NTR paths in the game for the NTR lovers but that is ok in my book as long as we can keep the romance and sharing paths clean of it. Currently it seems so.
I for one look forward to the next BILH update!
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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I for one look forward to the next BILH update!
I for one look forward to the one after next BILH update!

My crtitic of TheTypist was mainly his long radio silences coupled with completely blown update promises, less the story, which in this remake looks very promising! And the fact that we can play romance paths and two really nice steamy sharing/swinging paths with no NTR in it is simply great!
Indeed, and time will tell if this is the case this time around.
 
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I mean, she's just sexually adventurous and open minded. On the romance/love path she is still down to do all kinds of kinky and wild shit. I never once have gotten the feeling that she doesn't love and care about the MC, though I do have nearly max love points with her, maybe that plays a factor in it. She's definitely a horny and sexually outgoing person, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. the only things I care about is non submissive MC's, which luckily in this game you get to steer your MC to be which you prefer, and a loyal girlfriend who considers the MC's feelings. So far on my high love point Claire playthrough, she hasn't cheated, and always considers the MC's feelings.

If this ever changes, and it seems like she no longer cares for the MC, then that would be disappointing. However I haven't gotten that from this AVN so far, and personally I love Claire. Definitely have never viewed it as a relationship for show. Zoey seems crazy about the MC, I won't deny that, but that doesn't diminish Claire and the MC's relationship in any way for me. Especially since for now at least, I can have both. And Zoey will likely also become more open, she's just very inexperienced and less extroverted compared to Claire, that's something you've got to keep in mind.




I'm sorry to contradict, but Claire in the final scene, waits for MC to fall asleep, to go back to Damien and get fucked, then she goes back to the room and is watching MC while he sleeps, she says to herself, you don't know what I did, but Mc pretends to sleep, and makes a sad face, then the game ends, Claire once she tries the path of betrayal moves further and further away, it's not true love with MC, Zoe shows true love, just see how she looks at him, how she tells him she would anything for him, even things he doesn't want, then if you make her fuck Damien, she looks at MC holding his hand, and while Damien cums, Zoe doesn't even have an orgasm, but asks MC to make love with her, this is love . Claire is only the temporary companion of adventure for sex, a couple that no longer exists.
 
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