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Segnbora

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Seems like there is a Faithful route, and a Cuck route, but no cheating route to bridge the gap.
I think this represents a misunderstanding of how they arrive at the actual cuckolding, because she doesn't get there without cheating. She grabs Darryl's dick and lets him penetrate her in the shower with no more than a vague sense that her fiancé's dream turned him (and her) on and then lies to her fiancé about it immediately thereafter, even though he's full of justifiable suspicions. She willingly goes to the glory holes knowing Darryl's upstairs and, after only token resistance, goes ahead and sucks what she almost certainly knows is his dick and lets someone else come all over her without any sort of permission from her husband. Yes, he walks in after its over (no doubt Olivia's machination), but they never once had a conversation in which he said, "hey, go out and have sex with other men because that's okay with me" or anything even close to it. In other words, she's cheating.

In the original version of the game she went to the hospital and had sex with Darryl still without permission from her (drunk and somewhat insane) husband — he didn't, and was in no condition to, suggest a course of action — and was vague about what she'd done when she got home. In the current version she has fully penetrative sex with the young bartender (and seems likely to have sex with the older bartender once those scenes are finished) and she's doing this not because he encouraged her to go ahead, but to punish him for having feelings for, but not sex with, Jenny. That, too, is cheating.

The only thing she does with his permission is what happens from the end of the pool scene to the interaction on the couch.

In other words, there very well may be a cuckold route that's still in its early stages, and certainly the MC's emotional state bears all the signs of wanting her to do exactly what she's doing, but based on the story so far it's a cheating route with a brief detour into willing cuckolding.
 
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yihman1

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I think this represents a misunderstanding of how they arrive at the actual cuckolding, because she doesn't get there without cheating. She grabs Daryl's dick and lets him penetrate her in the shower with no more than a vague sense that his dream turned her on and then lies to her fiancé about it immediately thereafter, even though he's full of justifiable suspicions. She willingly goes to the glory holes knowing Daryl's upstairs and, after only token resistance, goes ahead and sucks his dick and lets someone else come all over her without any sort of permission from her husband. Yes, he walks in after its over (no doubt Olivia's doing), but they never once had a conversation in which he said, "hey, go out and have sex with other men because that's okay with me." In other words, she's cheating.

In the original version of the game she went to the hospital and had sex with Daryl still without permission from her (drunk and certifiably insane) husband — he didn't and was in no condition to suggest a course of action — and was vague about what she'd done when she got home. In the current version she has fully penetrative sex with the young bartender (and seems likely to have sex with the older bartender once those scenes are finished) and she's doing this not because he encouraged her to go ahead, but to punish him for having feelings for, but not sex with, Jenny. That, too, is cheating.

The only thing she does with his permission is what happens from the end of the pool scene to the interaction on the couch.

In other words, there very well may be a cuckold route that's still in its early stages, and certainly the MC's emotional state bears all the signs of wanting her to do exactly what she's doing, but based on the text so far it's a cheating route with a brief detour into willing cuckolding.
Do you know where a copy of the old version you mention is?

I believe that it is you who is the one that is misunderstanding the game, and what I mean. She never cheats without being prompted by the MC to cheat. When controlling MC actions. No man unless trying to cuck himself would both tell his girlfriend of his dreams of her with anothe man, and then badger her about it. No man unless trying to cuck himself would tell his woman of his fantasies with other men unless trying to cuck himself. It is in NO WAY A CHEATING ROUTE. Yes I am aware that the game splits into an "NTR" path and a "Faithful" path. The "NTR" = "CUCK" style and not "CHEATING" style.

All I'm saying is that it should not be under the his control if she cheats or not. That is not something he can control short of locking her ass in a cage for life. She is a free woman and can choose to cheat or not on her own fruitions.

As for the young / old bartender stuff... That's an intersting path but it's ruined by the "oh it was just a dream" bullshit... For fucks sake she can't even fucking cheat, but can only dream of cheating? What kind of bullshit is that!? The player is given the option to not give the room number. The player is given the option to not say relationship troubles, why the fuck is it a dream that is so stupid...

The cheating portions are played with kid gloves like that making it "just a dream" or, they are totally non existent on the other path with the black dude in favor of a cuck route.

There are two types of NTR fans with very different interests in it.

Cheating Type: Cheating type NTR fans prefer that it be done in secret. The boyfriend is unaware. The cheating girlfriend acts like a secret agent sneaking around for that strange dick totally behind his back. The boyfriend is typically not a "weak male".

Cuck Type: The cuck is the boyfriend that wants to jerk off in the corner as his girlfriend is cheating on him. Then be made to eat the cum out of her pussy and laughed at for his tiny penis that is then put into a cage. The boyfriend is typically a "weak male".

(Swingers are not NTR more like very open relationships They are more hippie commie types that sit around smoking a bong and everyone fucks everyone free love style or have key parties.)

I find the Cheating Type NTR style to be much more appealing as many people do.
 

Segnbora

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Do you know where a copy of the old version you mention is?
No idea. I'm told some of the original images are still in the game file, but I haven't looked.

She never cheats without being prompted by the MC to cheat.
Please quote the prompts.

The only time he tells her to go do something with another man while they're together is when Darryl's on their couch. Yes, he constructs a longwinded explanation of his dream, but at no point does he suggest she make it a reality. Yes, he can finger her to a squirting climax by talking about her having sex with someone else, but that's still not the same as encouraging her to do it. In a healthy relationship the couple would talk this through before acting. Claire would take their conversations and their bedroom play as a fantasy to spice up their sex life, not as blanket permission to have repeated extramarital encounters. That's a conversation that would come later, as they both realized that it's something for which they were ready.

After the shower scene, during a conversation in which she's far from completely honest with the MC, they go to sleep with him reminding her that the important thing is that they're honest with each other. After which she gets a text from Olivia and goes right to the glory holes without any sort of conversation with her fiancé. Then they have another conversation that's supposed to be full of honesty, except she still hides that she willingly grabbed Darryl's dick. The MC still doesn't go any farther than vaguely suggesting it would be interesting to explore their boundaries.

Also worth mentioning: the sofa scene with Darryl and the bartender are different routes, but they both very strongly suggest that Claire's commitment to sexual fidelity is extremely weak and that, no matter how far the confluence of the MC's thoughts and her own actions have gone, she really does feel that she's missed out, sexually speaking. Only on a pure no-cheating/no-cuckolding/no-Jenni route does she stay true, and even then the MC can't seem to bring her to orgasm, or at least not much of an orgasm. This is a relationship that's fundamentally flawed and every route in the game is trying to tell you that. Claire cheats because she wants to.

If she'd done nothing at all with Darryl until the pool party/game/sofa scene, then the story would've shown a slow and logical build from the MC's fantasy and Claire's intrigue to starting to put a willing cuckolding path into action. But in the story as it exists she unquestionably cheats on him twice before that happens.

When controlling MC actions. No man unless trying to cuck himself would both tell his girlfriend of his dreams of her with anothe man, and then badger her about it. No man unless trying to cuck himself would tell his woman of his fantasies with other men unless trying to cuck himself.
We agree that he has a nascent cuckold fantasy. But unless you can quote the MC saying anything even vaguely like "go ahead and act out my fantasy" then she doesn't have his permission. Further, she blatantly lies about what she did in the shower, so even if that's with his permission — which it wasn't — it becomes cheating the moment she lies. He certainly didn't suggest she go to the glory holes, and his ambiguity about it in the aftermath reflects this. He absolutely in no way told her that it would be okay to decamp to a hotel and fuck a bartender.

That's all cheating.

You're confusing the player's choices with the MC's choices. Yes, the player makes choices that cause Claire to do what she does. But the MC's saying and doing things that fall far short of encouraging her to cheat on him.

All I'm saying is that it should not be under the his control if she cheats or not.
It's not. The only time it's under his control is the sofa scene and the game that precedes it. Everything else is Claire-initiated and in only one of the three cases is she preemptively honest with him about it. Again, the player's choices are not the MC's choices.
 
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yihman1

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I found some bugs.

If you play it all for love points then you choose "Talk dirty using other men as examples" the dialogue is as if she already fucked around with the black dude before when she didn't.

On line 5532 of the script "no regrets" is not defined. This happens if you go down the cheating path until you get to 'talk dirty using other men as examples" but instead choose "use me an as example"
 

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There are two types of NTR fans with very different interests in it.

Cheating Type: Cheating type NTR fans prefer that it be done in secret. The boyfriend is unaware. The cheating girlfriend acts like a secret agent sneaking around for that strange dick totally behind his back. The boyfriend is typically not a "weak male".

Cuck Type: The cuck is the boyfriend that wants to jerk off in the corner as his girlfriend is cheating on him. Then be made to eat the cum out of her pussy and laughed at for his tiny penis that is then put into a cage. The boyfriend is typically a "weak male".
I think this quote is so good I want pasted in every NTR game thread. It needs to be printed out and stapled to every NTR game developers wall. I'm so happy someone is talking about this because it's often glossed over, especially by people that rage over NTR and I agree with everything you're saying in this thread. So many NTR games just turn into cucking and being someone like me who prefers the cheating element it gets frustrating because I don't like cucking. I'd rather literally everyone fuck everyone lol. Seriously whenever there's a NTR cheating game where the male character can cheat as well as the female, I let both sides cheat. Also I read conflicting information online. I was always under the impression netorare was NOT cucking and cuckold is a separate thing. Regardless, if they're both under the same umbrella this distinction of the two types is important so thank you for explaining it so well.

As an aside I like this game a lot and I like the direction it's going, just wanted to make that clear.
 

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Since we're at it. The borrowing of the Japanese word "netorare" has become nonsensical.
We have perfectly descriptive English words for cheating erotica and cuckolding erotica, and suddenly the internet borrows the word NTR, which was supposed to have a fairly clear meaning of a form of narrative erotica including jealousy, and starts applying it to EVERYTHING. One of the MC's 50 girlfriends wasn't a virgin? NTR. A female character the MC could potentially romance is brutally raped against her will? NTR. The MC's mother talks to anybody that's not the MC, including her own husband? NTR.
 

BoyGeorge

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There are two types of NTR fans with very different interests in it.

Cheating Type: Cheating type NTR fans prefer that it be done in secret. The boyfriend is unaware. The cheating girlfriend acts like a secret agent sneaking around for that strange dick totally behind his back. The boyfriend is typically not a "weak male".

Cuck Type: The cuck is the boyfriend that wants to jerk off in the corner as his girlfriend is cheating on him. Then be made to eat the cum out of her pussy and laughed at for his tiny penis that is then put into a cage. The boyfriend is typically a "weak male".
You got the cheating type correct for NTR. But i beg to disagree about the cuck type.

usually "CUCK" is the boyfriend/husband that DO jerk off in the corner while his gf/wife FUCKS other men. But CUCK type gives consent to this. Then giving consent doesnt make this an NTR. This only makes your relationship much more open and kinkier. You simply likes to watch your wife/gf fucks other men or it's like watching live porn.

Yes there are games and porn that is a weak male that snowball cums of other male. And the typical weak male. But thats not always the case for a "cuck type"

A good example is like the" The Adventureous Couple" game. The MC is not a weak male, he simply gives consent to his wife to fuck other males.

Anyways, love you Claire, Autumn and new model Rose. Can't wait for you. Please TheTypist. Let the MC fuck Rose and Autumn haha. Goodluck
 
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There is one thing I don't understand about this game. Let's see ...

Your girlfriend (Claire), can do whatever she wants. Suck a dick and letting them cum on his face two guys, fuck random guy, etc ... but the MC kisses his a friend (Jenni), becomes indignant and leaves him ... The game is fine, but these types of scripts are incomprehensible. Either you do what she wants, or you are the bad guy in the game.
 
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We have perfectly descriptive English words for cheating erotica and cuckolding erotica, and suddenly the internet borrows the word NTR, which was supposed to have a fairly clear meaning of a form of narrative erotica including jealousy, and starts applying it to EVERYTHING.
Fully agreed. I'd love to see the NTR tag disappear from this site and force people to use the English words for cheating/cuckolding/etc. And if there's actually real netorare in a game make the dev/uploader spell it out, which would greatly increase the chance that whoever's using it actually knows what it signifies.
 
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I think there's four separate (maybe six) distinctions in what is now stupidly referred to as NTR:
- Cheating, either just straight up cheating or (maybe) a don't ask, don't tell kinda deal.
- Not NTR to me, but the idiots here who want a Harem, but gets all flustered and whiny if the girl as much looks at a dude will consider it NTR: An open relationship. My favorite kind of relationship, where of course you can sorta bake in elements from at least one or two of the others here.
- (maybe) Not NTR to me, but... girl you might want being with another guy
- A Hotwife relationship. The guy in that relationship is usually identified as a cukold and I'm happy enough with that (because in that kind of deal I do like a bit of soft cucky humiliation), but it's different as the man consents to his girl getting strange D and gets off on it. Might watch and jerk off, just watch, might do the cum eating thing someone mentioned, but all of those cause he wants it. This and the swining is really my kinda thing.
- True cuckold. The girl openly fucks other guys. The guy doesn't want that, but loves her too much or finds her too hot, so he begrudgingly accept that it's better than losing her. She might coerce him into cum eating etc, and he might despite himself get hard, but it's not something he actively wants or fantasizes about.
 

Segnbora

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walkthrough anyone?
1) Do things that demonstrate your interest in the exclusivity of your marriage, find ways to tell her you love her.

2) Encourage her to be more open-minded, dream about her with other men, find ways to tell her you lust after her, push her towards other men.

Those are your Claire walkthroughs.

Jenni: flirt with her or don't.
 
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