felicemastronzo

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In terms of the fidelity argument, AL was a very different game where fidelity somewhat made sense. The MC was (I believe) in his mid-30s and the female characters were all early 20s, so from the MC you would expect a more mature guy who's more likely to be faithful than he is to be a horny adolescent seeking to get his end away every chance he gets. The girls also, despite their age, showed a level of maturity and desire for commitment, so fidelity to these girls seemed like it was intended to be the primary focus.
your reasoning about the context of the two games is correct, the MC of AL is a man who wants to settle down, the MC of BADIK is a boy who does not believe he has ever really loved a girl

but I have never understood how this opinion on DPC (be loyal, or i will crush you) could arise from AL.

AL does not reward loyalty, in fact it forces you to infidelity (with painful final separation) if you choose any LI (+ Ana, which I think is a surprise for almost all players, not a real choice).

in AL there is only one virtuous path, any other path passes through an obligatory betrayal, more or less painful.

When I start an AVN, I usually choose which character Im going after based on looks and later based on personality and character development. But Im also a completionist, and thats why my first playtrough of an AVN is always a manwhore playtrough :KEK:

I like the fact that a game has that type of consequences for cheating if they are well implemented. On being a Dik that isnt implemented yet, because the MC isnt on a real relationship with anyone. However we have been seeing hints of it actually starting to appear, for example, with the Maya & Josy "open relationship" and now with the MC confession to Jill on the date, that already cost us a sex scene and probably more scenes in the future (who knows) where DPC took our option away and the MC couldnt "cheat" even if the player wanted it.

My unpopular opinion on the Sage and Jill choice: I actually liked it because it makes the neutral and chick players to actually miss, for the first time, some content with an LI :unsure:
as in real life, appearance is normal to be the first guide in our choices.

but I struggle to be governed by looks in a game where all female characters are on average good looking, I think the only "ugly" is Cathy (KRJ doesn't exist).

I have often talked about these non-sexual moments which are ultimately the aspect I appreciate the most, and which point my compass :PogChamp:towards Sage

but if in the seventh chapter another LI had such moments (well done) I could change my mind in a moment
 
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your reasoning about the context of the two games is correct, the MC of AL is a man who wants to settle down, the MC of BADIK is a boy who does not believe he has ever really loved a girl

but I have never understood how this opinion on DPC (be loyal, or i will crush you) could arise from AL.

AL does not reward loyalty, in fact it forces you to infidelity (with painful final separation) if you choose any LI (+ Ana, which I think is a surprise for almost all players, not a real choice).

in AL there is only one virtuous path, any other path passes through an obligatory betrayal, more or less painful.


as in real life, appearance is normal to be the first guide in our choices.

but I struggle to be governed by looks in a game where all female characters are on average good looking, I think the only "ugly" is Cathy (KRJ doesn't exist).

I have often talked about these non-sexual moments which are ultimately the aspect I appreciate the most, and which point my compass :PogChamp:towards Sage

but if in the seventh chapter another LI had such moments (well done) I could change my mind in a moment
Cathy is ugly to you? :oops:
 
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If the MC starts to have a relationship with Jill or Bella, I doubt they'll let them go out with other girls
Episode 6 in the Library clearly shows Bella keeping an eye on him.
That would be great. That option should have been available from the start, so i could skip all that wasted content outside Bella&Jill.
 

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Since the beginning Sage established with MC a sexual relationship, nothing more "First Guitar Lesson with him if I remember"
MC cares more about Sage than she does about him

Sage only stays with MC to drown out his love disappointment with Chad
I reject your reality and substitute my own. :LOL:
 

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I accept your opinion, about how you personally feel about it. You feel, it is a dik move, its you own personal feelings speaking. :). Not agreeing with something because you personally not like it, I accept and agree with. but using this as to try to justify that hey its bad writing, is something that I not agree.

I don't agree how mc stormed out and avoided maya and Josy for 2 day, but that is my personal feeling, and MC has his own feeling, just because he say he start to fall in love with Jill, does not mean I feel the same.
we reading a book, with his own character , we can alter what chapter we want to read, but it's still a set in stone story.

You know, there are people who may not interested in sage at all, so for them this is not even a dilemma. just like there are peoples, who are not interested in Josy and Maya as much as they wont even mind if they are removed.

I personally not care about Bella, I have not even seen her more than what the story wanted me to. once the game is finished, once we have the whole puzzle, we will know what decisions and action has to take for the out come we want to achieve, until then we are just getting pieces
I'm not sure I would go so far as to call it bad writing, I just feel like the presentation is at odds with the actual events.

Obviously, if a player doesn't care about one girl at all, or if they've played the game in such a way that one (or both?) girls never asks to see the MC, the choice is pretty easy. But for players who are at least considering pursuing both girls, from an out-of-game perspective it feels like this choice is meant to be a significant one: the MC will bare a bit of his soul to one or the other of them and she will respond with clear interest. Jill's branch goes even further, with the MC learning of a major development in Jill's life and declaring that he thinks he's falling for her.

Yet from an in-game perspective, it's just a routine moment. Jill asks if the MC is busy, and it turns out he is. It's no different than when the MC couldn't study with M&J because he had to go to the nursing home... except that this time the player happens to get a choice. In the former case, the MC said he was busy automatically and the girls rescheduled automatically. In the latter case, the player must make a momentous decision even though to the MC it appears to be as open and shut as visiting the nursing home was.

In a sense, it's a bit like the choice to go see Bella in Episode 3 after Jill says she came around. To the MC, it's just a spur of the moment thought that popped into his head: I should ask Bella why she changed her mind. But to the player, it's a crucial decision that will open or close Bella's route for good (or so it seems now), with heavy ominous foreshadowing thrown in for good measure. But at least in that case the MC's thought process tracks with the player: if he likes Bella, he'll probably go see her. Whereas in this case, the thought process doesn't track: even if he likes Jill more than Sage, he probably wouldn't go out with her.

If the goal was to make picking Jill a flat out less appealing route than picking Sage for roleplaying players (and only for roleplayers), I would say the scene is working as intended. If the goal was to make it a hard choice for players generally, I would say it works but could have been improved for roleplayers without harming the overall dilemma by having Jill arrange her date first. That way it would be arguable whether Sage or Jill should have get priority: Jill was first but Sage's need is more urgent.

As is, I don't see any reason for an MC to pick Jill (again, assuming he cares about both girls) except that the player is doing a Jill focused run. It's a minor problem in the grand scheme of things, but it feels like a wasted opportunity to give the dilemma more weight by tying it into the story.


When I start an AVN, I usually choose which character Im going after based on looks and later based on personality and character development. But Im also a completionist, and thats why my first playtrough of an AVN is always a manwhore playtrough :KEK:

I like the fact that a game has that type of consequences for cheating if they are well implemented. On being a Dik that isnt implemented yet, because the MC isnt on a real relationship with anyone. However we have been seeing hints of it actually starting to appear, for example, with the Maya & Josy "open relationship" and now with the MC confession to Jill on the date, that already cost us a sex scene and probably more scenes in the future (who knows) where DPC took our option away and the MC couldnt "cheat" even if the player wanted it.

My unpopular opinion on the Sage and Jill choice: I actually liked it because it makes the neutral and chick players to actually miss, for the first time, some content with an LI :unsure:
Technically, it's the second time, since you can only choose to follow Maya or Josy in Episode 5. Or the third, if you count staying with Bella or Sage in Episode 4 (you can sleep with Sage either way, but you can only get the activities in the respective pools by choosing that LI). Actually, it's the fourth time if you want to count choosing between dancing with Sage and family photos with Maya back in Episode 2.

It is the first time Jill has been involved in such a choice, I suppose. But I think that's mostly down to the fact Jill's romance has been such a slow burn.
 

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In that case, she should have been more anxious and suspicious. Her or Riona would have mentioned it during their scenes. She quickly dismissed Riona's fears about Vinny and the possibility of being stalked. Being stolen several times in the past would have made her seriously reconsider the way she operates. Riona is about to crumble, I doubt she would have handled previous robberies without trying to leave.

Perhaps her operations aren't just lucrative enough. Quinn could also have secretly used part of the money for personal purposes.
I didn't mean to suggest Quinn has been mugged before. I'm saying perhaps someone is embezzling from Quinn. Perhaps there's a mole in her organization. I'd sort of dismissed that idea in the past since it seemed outlandish. But now that we know there really is some mysterious person(s) working against Quinn, it seems more plausible.

I don't think it would be Riona, but Sarah and Melanie wouldn't be shocking. And we still don't know exactly what happened with Vinny, but Riona's line "Maybe Vinny told someone [about her]" suggests Vinny used to be part of empire.* So there could be other people we've yet to meet, too.

* My guess is he used to run the empire. Quinn took over when Vinny... dropped out.


There's honestly very little distinction between those 2 terms. "Adult visual novel" is just a fancy way of saying "porn game" because, at the end of the day, no matter how good the story of a VN/game is, its sole purpose is to be pornographic and contain copious amounts of gratuitous sexual content. This game has done that in spades and much of the sex is gratuitous in the sense that how it comes about very much exists in the world of fiction.
It seems to me that is precisely the difference between a porn game and an adult visual novel: did the author have any ambitions beyond titillation? Based on everything I've ever heard about DPC, it sure sounds to me like he did. That would certainly explain that inane intro with Jill we all try to forget about, or the time and effort he spends on the soundtrack, or the copious mini-games he keeps adding. None of those are sexual content, but they're all frequently discussed aspects of the game (well, not Jill's intro, but the whole "dark" warning).
 
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how I unlocked this scene?
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It's a scene with Maya.

You have to go back home to after the shot contest rather than dance with Sage (or look for Sarah). I think you need to try to kiss Maya and have a Status that between Massive DIK or Massive CHICK (i.e. not at the extremes). If so, the MC will convince Maya to keep her eyes closed and fool around for a bit.
 
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how I unlocked this scene?
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why are you missing so many scenes? there's like 3 scenes missing in that.

it could be anything from dancing with Sage at the shots competition where you talk to Sage instead of going to Sarah.

another could be the one with Maya in where you go to the dorm to spend time with Maya instead of staying after the shots competition.

another scene that's missing in that screenshot is a scene with Sage after returning from the gym from spying on Chad. that could be the locked scene maybe?
also, you're missing the cum-petition scene for some reason. is your version up to date or something cause your scenes menu has a lot less than mine..... Untitled.jpg
 
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I admit, that's a more likely outcome than the scene I had in mind

Sage: "Fuck her! Now!"
Chad: "I can't get hard when you stare at me like that"
Sage: "You wouldn't get hard even if I was all over you"
MC: "Maybe you should get one of your dildos, or did you leave them all to Dawe?"
Side Girl: "Uhh... I think I better go"
Sage: "You're not going anywhere. MC, fuck her!"
Everyone: "WHAT?!"
I like that scene.
 

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It seems to me that is precisely the difference between a porn game and an adult visual novel: did the author have any ambitions beyond titillation? Based on everything I've ever heard about DPC, it sure sounds to me like he did. That would certainly explain that inane intro with Jill we all try to forget about, or the time and effort he spends on the soundtrack, or the copious mini-games he keeps adding. None of those are sexual content, but they're all frequently discussed aspects of the game (well, not Jill's intro, but the whole "dark" warning).
I remember there was a porn movie made back in the mid-2000s called "Pirates XXX". It had the biggest budget of any porn movie and actually built proper sets, had fighting action scenes, and at least tried to have a proper narrative. It also has a shit ton of sex because, at the end of the day, it's a porn movie.

This game might have a high production value and a decently written story with fairly well developed characters, but at the end of the day, it is a porn game, because when you it strip it all back to its basic function, its purpose is to titilate people with sex scenes.

DPC might have the ambition to elevate the level of VNs/games with BaDIK or to simply produce something they consider higher level than all the rest, but so too did the Pirates movie producers hope to elevate the porn movie industry, so just because they may have high ambitions doesn't mean that this isn't still just a porn game at its heart.
 
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