VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [Dr PinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

It may be a flashback, but if so it's only flashing back a couple of days. We see Stephen and Jade invite Bella to a Friday night dinner in Episode 1. By the following Monday in Episode 2, the MC can already pick up on a frosty relationship between Jade and Bella. Episode 3 starts later in the day on that Monday. By Episode 5 (roughly 5 days later), Jade is so intolerant of Bella that she won't commiserate with Cathy simply because it would mean spending time with Bella.

The simplest explanation by far is that Jade had a perfectly decent relationship with Bella prior to the date we see arranged in Episode 1. During the date Stephen and/or Jade propositioned Bella, and she shot them down hard enough for Jade to hold a grudge. There are certainly other possible explanations, but they require a lot more supposition.

Hence why I don't think the Jade/Stephen scene at the start of Episode 3 is much of a flashback: it can really only take place in the period from Saturday to Monday (unless we think it's a flashforward, I suppose).

I honestly don't know if it's a flashback or not.

But the doubt remains, at the end except the first chapter the first scene post recap of each chapter is a flashback, why should the third chapter be an exception?

As I said before it's possible that Burke made more than one attempt with Bella, from Jade's words it seems that he's a "fixated" (rightly) on her.

 

[ename144]

I honestly don't know if it's a flashback or not.

But the doubt remains, at the end except the first chapter the first scene post recap of each chapter is a flashback, why should the third chapter be an exception?

As I said before it's possible that Burke made more than one attempt with Bella, from Jade's words it seems that he's a "fixated" (rightly) on her.

It's not a question of Burke, it's a question of Jade. By Episode 5, Jade would not stand by and let Stephen set up a date with Bella, but in Episode 1 she does. The argument between Jade and Stephen in the Episode 3 scene is compatible with Episode 5 Jade, but not Episode 1 Jade - despite being only 5 in-game days later. So whether or not the scene is a flashback, there's really only a narrow window it could occur during, at least IMHO.

As for DPC always using flashbacks, I think that's valid reasoning but not complete proof: DPC likes to change things up from time to time, even when it invites confusion. Speaking of which, the timeline at the start of Episode 3 is a disjointed mess, so even if the scene isn't a flashback in the normal sense, there is no guarantee precisely when it takes place chronologically speaking.

 

[Coinzell]

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[Lewdpussydick]

I honestly don't know if it's a flashback or not.

But the doubt remains, at the end except the first chapter the first scene post recap of each chapter is a flashback, why should the third chapter be an exception?

I played second chapter, and there is no flashback. It picks up from MC getting kidnap and landing at diks for cumpetition, tommy and quinn injecting drugs and rusty calling tommy for the cumpetition to start.

Speaking about the campaign, which made me say that Lana was taking drugs, because it also did not mention any campaign. Is this a drug campaign or bullying, as you say?

Between both, it's unknown to be exact. It can be anything.
But it's apparent Jill was bullied once (mention in ep7). Her support campaign is heavily inspired to what happened to Lana imo.

 

[Kellermann]

Imagine if she looks like this for the subject she teaches to MC in next semester.

The teacher/student dynamic is one of my favourite in the game. Can't wait to see the awkwardness (and hidden desire) between MC and Bella. I imagine she will act extra harsh towards MC in class to mask her true feelings in front of the other students.

Hang on, am I the only one who's been pondering Maya/Sage since the last update?

I certainly don't mind seeing lesbian pairings, but it would be nice if at least one of the women is full hetero instead of, as MC puts it, licking whatever is in front of their face. aka porn trope.

The simplest explanation by far is that Jade had a perfectly decent relationship with Bella prior to the date we see arranged in Episode 1. During the date Stephen and/or Jade propositioned Bella, and she shot them down hard enough for Jade to hold a grudge. There are certainly other possible explanations, but they require a lot more supposition.

A key component would be Burke's infatuation with Bella. During the argument with Jade, he let slip his lust for Bella. That really brought out Jade's anger. That seems a lot more plausible than Jade just getting upset over a co-worker not wanting a threesome. If Jade knows anything about Bella and James' situation (and she should), it can't come as a big shock that she wouldn't want to have casual sex. Anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes with Bella would know she wouldn't be receptive to that kind of proposition. It takes MC's magic AVN dick and plot armour to shake her loose and even that took many episodes of coercion and grooming.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I played second chapter, and there is no flashback. It picks up from MC getting kidnap and landing at diks for cumpetition, tommy and quinn injecting drugs and rusty calling tommy for the cumpetition to start.

Between both, it's unknown to be exact. It can be anything.
But it's apparent Jill was bullied once (mention in ep7). Her support campaign is heavily inspired to what happened to Lana imo.

you're right, I was confusing the flashback where Quinn and Tommy plan their alliance with the beginning of chapter two

 

[TheOtherGuyWithGlasses]

Just realized we cant be fucking Maya and Josy in reverse cowgirl. Tommy and Derek are family which makes both of them family, and as Dom said...we don't turn our back on family

 

[DavDR]

I don't know, I think Maya was very much Maya during the movie date.

I know people get tired of Maya being the damsel in distress; I do too. But Maya's clearly on an arc that will take time to play out. Seeing her expressing interest in a young woman who ran away from an overly controlling father feels like a very natural step on that arc, to the point that I wonder what will happen in playthroughs where the MC visits Josy instead.



It's certainly less than ideal, but I think it can be tolerated as long as the episode itself delivers once it's released. IMHO, Episode 7 did so in spades, so I'm willing to give DPC the time he thinks he needs for Episode 8.

I'll reevaluate if and when that changes, but for now DPC puts out content at a rate that's hard to match. Ultimately, I'd rather get that content as a decent chunk of story progression over long intervals than as tiny chunks of story at a more rapid pace.



Are we talking about the fraternity, the Status/Affinity system? Despite using the same name, they really aren't all that closely related. (Hell, even the Status and Affinity systems are fairly different.)

The fraternity is pretty self-explanatory IMHO: it's a newly formed party frat. Some of it's members are more committed to partying than others and each has their own style, but the overall thrust is pretty consistent.

Of course organizations change over time, and the DIKs do appear to be in a period of transition with Vinny gone and the MC taking an increasingly prominent role. But that's more about story arcs in future content. It seems pretty clear where the frat is starting from.

(Also, my take on Nick is that he follows Sage's philosophy: part hard, play hard, and don't let one of those dominate the other.)

As for the Status/Affinity system, I think it's less about overall morality than it is about methodology. DIKs are brash; they don't apologize for putting their own desires front and center, and will even favor doing "outrageous" things just to prove the point. CHICKs are measured: they seek consensus and prefer not to impose on other people more than necessary. But neither position has direct bearing on the character's core values. A DIK can still care about other people's desires and a CHICK can still hold a grudge, they just have different ways to express those feelings.

Of course the whole Status/Affinity system quickly disintegrates if you try to delve too far into it, so some classic morality does bleed into it (most infamously with the "Crying Steve" choice in Episode 2). But I think the idea is to be more about style than value.



As others have said, I think there are clear reasons why Sage didn't have a guitar lesson in Episodes 6&7. To me, the real question is why the MC will only give her a guitar lesson in Episode 5 if he's her fuck buddy.

My first playthrough of Episode 5 was happened to be on the Sage path, so I was really looking forward to seeing how that scene would play out without the kiss. It turns out it was just omitted completely.

Sadly, I fear this is the real reason we haven't seen any more lessons since: they were just a means of getting Sage and the MC together, and are no longer needed now that they are. We'll probably see another one someday as mixture of nostalgia and a way to iron out some future threat to their relationship, but I doubt they will be a regular feature. Which would be a shame, so hopefully DPC will prove me completely wrong.



Hang on, am I the only one who's been pondering Maya/Sage since the last update?

I mean, we know Maya's feelings for the MC took root when he expressed sympathy and compassion for her at her lowest point. And we know she's normally attracted to girls a lot more than boys. Episode 7 ends with Maya confiding some of her darkest secrets to the exceedingly female Sage, who vowed to do what she could to help. The math seems pretty clear here.

To be clear I'm not saying Maya will leap straight into Sage's bed. I'm just saying it would not surprise me if Maya developing potential feelings for Sage becomes another drama-filled subplot as the game continues.



Or that DPC hasn't gotten around to writing Rooster content yet and thus has no clucks to preview. I think that's a much safer bet.



It may be a flashback, but if so it's only flashing back a couple of days. We see Stephen and Jade invite Bella to a Friday night dinner in Episode 1. By the following Monday in Episode 2, the MC can already pick up on a frosty relationship between Jade and Bella. Episode 3 starts later in the day on that Monday. By Episode 5 (roughly 5 days later), Jade is so intolerant of Bella that she won't commiserate with Cathy simply because it would mean spending time with Bella.

The simplest explanation by far is that Jade had a perfectly decent relationship with Bella prior to the date we see arranged in Episode 1. During the date Stephen and/or Jade propositioned Bella, and she shot them down hard enough for Jade to hold a grudge. There are certainly other possible explanations, but they require a lot more supposition.

Hence why I don't think the Jade/Stephen scene at the start of Episode 3 is much of a flashback: it can really only take place in the period from Saturday to Monday (unless we think it's a flashforward, I suppose).

I don't get these references to small updates in other games. I've followed games that update every month and those are fairly small. Still when you add up five or six month's of updates they are pretty substantial. There are also several games out right now that stick to a three month update schedule and I wouldn't call those updates small. If you're going by file size then I need to point out that all of those mini games, special render hunts, and assorted other filler take up space. So comparing games that significantly advance the story on a three month update schedule with what this game delivers is neither fair nor accurate.

This leads right into the guitar lesson's. I didn't know about the lack of an ep5 scene for those not having an FB status with Sage but I'm not at all surprised to hear it. BaDIK could be described as a game with branching path's but they are very limited branches. In the scene you described DPC would have had to have made an almost completely different scene for a non-FB MC. That would have taken time away from mini games and special renders, so obviously the story isn't a priority here. One thinks back to the infamous ep4 scene and the path's subsequent to it, and the many shortcomings for the story that resulted from it. This is yet another problem I have with this game.

 

[Dickembe Mutombo]

Hello there, I am just curious, is there date when will be new update released or how much it takes usually for new update to come out ?

Thank you

 

[ename144]

I don't get these references to small updates in other games. I've followed games that update every month and those are fairly small. Still when you add up five or six month's of updates they are pretty substantial. There are also several games out right now that stick to a three month update schedule and I wouldn't call those updates small. If you're going by file size then I need to point out that all of those mini games, special render hunts, and assorted other filler take up space. So comparing games that significantly advance the story on a three month update schedule with what this game delivers is neither fair nor accurate.

This leads right into the guitar lesson's. I didn't know about the lack of an ep5 scene for those not having an FB status with Sage but I'm not at all surprised to hear it. BaDIK could be described as a game with branching path's but they are very limited branches. In the scene you described DPC would have had to have made an almost completely different scene for a non-FB MC. That would have taken time away from mini games and special renders, so obviously the story isn't a priority here. One thinks back to the infamous ep4 scene and the path's subsequent to it, and the many shortcomings for the story that resulted from it. This is yet another problem I have with this game.

I know you don't like the mini-games and side-plots but they are still content. They aren't always winners (I was unhappy with the D&G animations in Episode 6, for example), but I don't think we can expect any game to perfectly cater our tastes every single time. BaDIK has a high enough hit rate to justify the time spent on them (IMHO, of course), so I think it's less an inherent flaw in DPC's storytelling and more a stylistic choice that any given player may or may not like.

As for the total volume, I hardly follow every game on the site. But of the games I follow in my signature, BaDIK delivers content/day at least equal to any of them and superior to most. The branches don't affect the main story very much, but they do affect scenes in a myriad of small ways and I really enjoy exploring those branches. Frankly, I've found that a much more successful model than games that try to allow "major" branching decisions (prior to the finale any way), because those games always struggle to connect the disparate events into a coherent narrative.

On the Sage guitar scene in particular, I don't think it would have required anywhere near a full rewrite to handle the non-FB route. After all, events between Sage and Chad will play out the same way whether or not Mel and Sarah see the MC kiss Sage. The exact content of the scene is not plot crucial, it's just a chance to advance the MC/Sage relationship - which doesn't have to be purely sexual. A lot of the scene could have been left as is, just tweak the line about the MC and Sage pulling the DIKs and HOTs together, and end with something other than the kiss.

As an added bonus, you could also have a modified version of the Sarah/Mel scene where they admit they're not sure what the MC is to Sage, but they're still going to call Chad for [reasons]. This would not only help clarify why Chad will break up with Sage in Episode 6 regardless of our actions, it could also lay better ground work for the non-FB Sage path in Episode 7.

Sadly, DPC either didn't think the scene needed these tweaks or felt it wasn't worth the time to add them. So I do agree that this is definitely a flaw in the game and in DPC's writing style. I just don't think it's quite as large and omnipresent a flaw as you do.

 

[DavDR]

" I just don't think it's quite as large and omnipresent a flaw as you do."

No you wouldn't, you guys have bought this game hook, line, and sinker. And if that's what you like, more power to you.

The whole point of my criticism of this game, and it's creator, is that it's not a good game, it's just a really well marketed one. That makes BaDIK the AVN equivalent of the worst kind of mainstream drivel, no creativity, no depth, no soul.

 

[AdrianSteel]

ok i just played the new episode......can i just say i did not expect that.

 

[hyfka]

Am I the only one who became increasingly annoyed with Maya, Josy and Jill?

 

[dalli_x]

As others have said, I think there are clear reasons why Sage didn't have a guitar lesson in Episodes 6&7. To me, the real question is why the MC will only give her a guitar lesson in Episode 5 if he's her fuck buddy.

My first playthrough of Episode 5 was happened to be on the Sage path, so I was really looking forward to seeing how that scene would play out without the kiss. It turns out it was just omitted completely.

Sadly, I fear this is the real reason we haven't seen any more lessons since: they were just a means of getting Sage and the MC together, and are no longer needed now that they are. We'll probably see another one someday as mixture of nostalgia and a way to iron out some future threat to their relationship, but I doubt they will be a regular feature. Which would be a shame, so hopefully DPC will prove me completely wrong.

Yes Sage is an issue in itself. I think if the MC leaves it at a pure friendship and is not a Fuck Buddy, the relationship between Sage and Maya will become the same. The MC will impress Sage so deeply on friendship level with his honesty that Sage will help Maya even without reciprocation. It doesn't always have to be you scratch my back and I scratch yours.

But if he is Fuck Buddy, Maya will find that out in EP5 at the latest. Then the train is heading towards Sage and Maya.

But the whole thing gets complicated when Josy/Maya/MC are in the throuple. Then we have again what the MC said to Josy in EP4. We are all just cheaters.

 

[ename144]

" I just don't think it's quite as large and omnipresent a flaw as you do."

No you wouldn't, you guys have bought this game hook, line, and sinker. And if that's what you like, more power to you.

The whole point of my criticism of this game, and it's creator, is that it's not a good game, it's just a really well marketed one. That makes BaDIK the AVN equivalent of the worst kind of mainstream drivel, no creativity, no depth, no soul.

Right, and my point is BaDIK *is* a good game, with strengths that more than compensate for the very real flaws it does have.

The game's never going to be for everyone and I have no problem with people who don't like it. But frankly I see no indication that it's soulless or devoid of creativity. Whatever DPC is, he isn't the AVN equivalent of Michael Bay cranking out Transformers sequels.

 

[ChipLecsap]

" I just don't think it's quite as large and omnipresent a flaw as you do."

No you wouldn't, you guys have bought this game hook, line, and sinker. And if that's what you like, more power to you.

The whole point of my criticism of this game, and it's creator, is that it's not a good game, it's just a really well marketed one. That makes BaDIK the AVN equivalent of the worst kind of mainstream drivel, no creativity, no depth, no soul.

It is a Good game, enough of the baiting bullshit. . If your product Suck it won't matter how much you marketed. and in fact he doesn't really do much marketing nowadays, the actual product talk for itself.
I only speak for myself, but I yet to find any game in this "porn genre", that can makes me remotely as entertained as DPC 's Badik does. and I'm on the search constantly. but really is 90% of them, is Inces Incest, incest, ugly render, 3 sec loop animation, Wall of text reading in front of a drawing and etc etc.

in this site, you go to search and choose the top rated games, and that 10 games is about it, that can be called quality, and even those, most of them is nowhere near close to the content and the quality of BADIK.

There is no perfect game, despite you think we all saying badik is perfect. It's not perfect, but simply the overall Enjoyment is so good that it's overwhelming the Negative aspects of the game.

if this does not give you the same feeling , I can respect that, but frankly I don't Envy you for this. .
We should really move on from this subject, its should be obvious for you now after all this time, that you never gonna convince us that This game is Shit, because it's not. It is that Fucking simple. .

Peace and Love

 

[Kellermann]

Hello there, I am just curious, is there date when will be new update released or how much it takes usually for new update to come out ?

Thank you

We just don't have enough information to accurately say at this point, but I would plan on 5 to 6 months between episodes.

(I was unhappy with the D&G animations in Episode 6, for example), but I don't think we can expect any game to perfectly cater our tastes every single time. BaDIK has a high enough hit rate to justify the time spent on them (IMHO, of course), so I think it's less an inherent flaw in DPC's storytelling and more a stylistic choice that any given player may or may not like.

" I just don't think it's quite as large and omnipresent a flaw as you do."

No you wouldn't, you guys have bought this game hook, line, and sinker. And if that's what you like, more power to you.

The whole point of my criticism of this game, and it's creator, is that it's not a good game, it's just a really well marketed one. That makes BaDIK the AVN equivalent of the worst kind of mainstream drivel, no creativity, no depth, no soul.

I think it's an excellent game, but there are some things that frustrate me to no end. D&G is a prime example. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a D&G side project from DPC, but its implementation in BaDIK makes it feel like a drawn out distraction from the main narrative. It's like doing a 3-year stint in prison for drug distribution (that was really your dumb uncle's fault). You've had to get by with silent, midnight jerk sessions with some butter packets you nicked from the chow hall. The occasional tossed salad doesn't do much either besides make you question yourself a little more each day. But finally you get out and hunt down the first prostitute you can find. She agrees to slob your knob behind a dumpster. You've been waiting for this for 3 long years. You unleash the kraken and prepare for bliss, but instead this dirty ho gets a 20-minute call from her pimp. You're left hanging, literally. That's what sitting through a goddamn pointless D&G session is like when all you want is to get on with the main storyline. And the two second long filler lewd scenes in D&G don't make up for it. Fingers crossed we've seen the last of it.

 

[DavDR]

It is a Good game, enough of the baiting bullshit. . If your product Suck it won't matter how much you marketed. and in fact he doesn't really do much marketing nowadays, the actual product talk for itself.
I only speak for myself, but I yet to find any game in this "porn genre", that can makes me remotely as entertained as DPC 's Badik does. and I'm on the search constantly. but really is 90% of them, is Inces Incest, incest, ugly render, 3 sec loop animation, Wall of text reading in front of a drawing and etc etc.

in this site, you go to search and choose the top rated games, and that 10 games is about it, that can be called quality, and even those, most of them is nowhere near close to the content and the quality of BADIK.

There is no perfect game, despite you think we all saying badik is perfect. It's not perfect, but simply the overall Enjoyment is so good that it's overwhelming the Negative aspects of the game.

if this does not give you the same feeling , I can respect that, but frankly I don't Envy you for this. .
We should really move on from this subject, its should be obvious for you now after all this time, that you never gonna convince us that This game is Shit, because it's not. It is that Fucking simple. .

Peace and Love

Yeah that's the whole point, no one WILL ever convince you. If you had a more introspective outlook that might bother you.

 

[AchedCroissant]

Imagine the next DPC game is a D&G and he turns it into a GoT, there will be no characters saving their lives.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Yeah that's the whole point, no one WILL ever convince you. If you had a more introspective outlook that might bother you.

That's work both ways, same can be said about you. You are not in a position to Judge anyone